Upset Ranking: (1-10) Jones vs Calzaghe

He actually argues pretty much the opposite. He is of the opinion that Roy has revolutionised himself and is now a totally different proposition. He believes that Roy has adopted a much more classical style and base to work from. Noone on the forum knows more about Roy than Reed does. If I were you I would probably just shut the fuck up and read what he posts or, if you are not interested and just want to continue telling everyone that Eubank and Benn are the two most talented fighters in boxing history, not bother visiting his threads. :wank: Get a grip. If you dont like what im saying then tough, no need to make up shit that ive supposedly said when Ive said nothing of the sort.

6 a 6...i repeat a 6 so what do you think?

6 a 6...i repeat a 6

I put 8 as I think that's about what most would see it as. But personally I think about 6.

lol you never vote in polls... and I knew you were watching... Damn, I'm too predictable. Gotta change my patterns. :D

I just voted. :notworthy lol you never vote in polls... and I knew you were watching...

Silencers, I demand you vote! I just voted. :notworthy

Upset? I'd be terminally ill.

Silencers, I demand you vote!

I can't see him winning at all so it will have to be 10. Roy in his day was great but Roy is washed up now and Calzaghe is on one of the best streaks of his career fighting top class competition.

Its hard, because this entire fight, is based on Roy. I mean, it really is... everytime someone says that Joe is going to win... whats their reasoning? Well, it's usually Roy is SHOT! THats the reason Joe Calzaghe will win, because Roy isnt Roy anymore... and if he was, Roy would win. So its completely based on which Roy shows up... it really is. Is beating Prince badi, Anthony Hanshaw, and Tito Trinidad, enough to convince me he can beat an elite fighter? NO Is it enough to convince me that he cant? NO So with all that said, I hope/believe that Roy will show up... The prince Badi opponent was subpar I would rank him 4/10 and I would rank Roys performance around the same. Hanshaw was a much better opponent than Badi... I would rank him around a 6/10, and Roy performance was better, also about a 6/10. Trinidad, although inactive, is still a good fighter, and I would place him at around a 7/10 fighter, and I thought Roys performance also increased to about a 7/10. So, so far I have seen each opponent get better, and I have seen Roys performance get better... To me, thats a great sign... someone who is generally "shot" doesn't show those types of improvements, and although it is not the superman roy performance we are so used to, he was still impressive in his last fight. Most important thing, He saw openings, he pulled the trigger... now if your shot, you cant pull the trigger, and it doesnt matter who your fighting... if your shot, you just cant do it anymore... and Roy did, he was letting off combinations, he was practicing a different type of defense, and he was throwing punches that he used to throw years back. So to FINALLY answer your question... If in fact Roy "rises" once again to his opposition, which is what hes shown me in the last two years. I would Rank Calzaghe a 9/10 fighter right now... I believe Roy just beat a 7/10 pretty easily. If he shows up, in shape, willing to engage, and looking like he WANTS to win.. which he does. Then I think Joe is going to be in for it, I really do... Joe biggest advantage is his speed, he can always beat his opponent to the punch, even with Bernard he could... when you finally face someone, where when you both throw punches he hits you first, you definitely slow down... Everyone keeps talking about Joe's workrate, but someone hits you, hard, and fast.. and they can counter punch you when you come in, your not gonna be flurrying as much as you used too, and I think Bernard proved that to an extent. I see the straight right hand of Roy being his biggest asset... and I also believe that Joe flurrying on Roy when hes on the ropes, could possibly be the single biggest mistake Joe could make... Contrary to popular belief I think that Roy wants this fight on the ropes... Joe has a leg advantage over Roy, not a hand speed advantage... in the middle of the ring, he might fair better... on the ropes, now its whose better with the hands, and Ill take Roy all day on that. And when Joe flurrys he always comes in squared up with a wide stance, and wide flurrying punches... I think its the worst possible thing you could do against Roy. If Roy shows up like he wants to win, I think Roy will win. If Roy shows reluctance, and too MUCH defense and covering up, and not leting off his punches, he will lose... I think its about as simple as. Hoe long was that? I bet you never ask me another question again :rofl: Ha. It was interesting, and I see why you think what you do. Its not just about Roy though, because when I or anyone else says he is shot the flip side of that coin that goes unsaid is that Calzaghe is fucking good, which is what makes it so hard for shot Roy to win. I too will be interested to see if Roy can up his game for Calzaghe, and I really hope he does because I do want to see a fight. I personally think that Roy's recent improvement from his darkest days has flattered to deceive a little, because it is much easier to put in decent looking performances against lesser quality guys, whereas I really think that Calzaghe will be too much for Jones to handle and that even if Jones theoretically could raise his game, he won't be able to raise it enough. We'll see though. Surprised also that you rate Cal 9/10 but obviously I think thats all good. Anyway, an interesting post and I'm really looking forward to the fight!

I don't think that the influence that the judges may have on this fight should be underestimated either. If Roy executes his plan correctly and wins a decision it will be in a fight where Roy is throwing fewer punches than Joe but at a better connect percentage and with greater effectiveness. It will be up to the judges to gauge the effectiveness as well as the volume of the punches which they are not always great at doing. This becomes especially relevant if a large amount of the fight is close to the ropes, as the effectiveness of different punches becomes even harder to gauge in this situation.

Reed, I'm sure you will have posted this before about six million times, but what do you actually think will be the Calzaghe v Jones result? Its hard, because this entire fight, is based on Roy. I mean, it really is... everytime someone says that Joe is going to win... whats their reasoning? Well, it's usually Roy is SHOT! THats the reason Joe Calzaghe will win, because Roy isnt Roy anymore... and if he was, Roy would win. So its completely based on which Roy shows up... it really is. Is beating Prince badi, Anthony Hanshaw, and Tito Trinidad, enough to convince me he can beat an elite fighter? NO Is it enough to convince me that he cant? NO So with all that said, I hope/believe that Roy will show up... The prince Badi opponent was subpar I would rank him 4/10 and I would rank Roys performance around the same. Hanshaw was a much better opponent than Badi... I would rank him around a 6/10, and Roy performance was better, also about a 6/10. Trinidad, although inactive, is still a good fighter, and I would place him at around a 7/10 fighter, and I thought Roys performance also increased to about a 7/10. So, so far I have seen each opponent get better, and I have seen Roys performance get better... To me, thats a great sign... someone who is generally "shot" doesn't show those types of improvements, and although it is not the superman roy performance we are so used to, he was still impressive in his last fight. Most important thing, He saw openings, he pulled the trigger... now if your shot, you cant pull the trigger, and it doesnt matter who your fighting... if your shot, you just cant do it anymore... and Roy did, he was letting off combinations, he was practicing a different type of defense, and he was throwing punches that he used to throw years back. So to FINALLY answer your question... If in fact Roy "rises" once again to his opposition, which is what hes shown me in the last two years. I would Rank Calzaghe a 9/10 fighter right now... I believe Roy just beat a 7/10 pretty easily. If he shows up, in shape, willing to engage, and looking like he WANTS to win.. which he does. Then I think Joe is going to be in for it, I really do... Joe biggest advantage is his speed, he can always beat his opponent to the punch, even with Bernard he could... when you finally face someone, where when you both throw punches and he hits you first, you definitely slow down... Everyone keeps talking about Joe's workrate, but when someone hits you, hard, and fast.. and they can counter punch you when you come in, your not gonna be flurrying as much as you used too, and I think Bernard proved that to an extent. I see the straight right hand of Roy being his biggest asset... and I also believe that Joe flurrying on Roy when hes on the ropes, could possibly be the single biggest mistake Joe could make... Contrary to popular belief I think that Roy wants this fight on the ropes... Joe has a leg advantage over Roy, not a hand speed advantage... in the middle of the ring, he might fair better... on the ropes, now its whose better with the hands, and Ill take Roy all day on that. And when Joe flurrys he always comes in squared up with a wide stance, and wide flurrying punches... I think its the worst possible thing you could do against Roy. If Roy shows up like he wants to win, I think Roy will win. If Roy shows reluctance, and too MUCH defense and covering up, and not leting off his punches, he will lose... I think its about as simple as. How long was that? I bet you never ask me another question again :rofl:

wow thanks bro.......... Reed, I'm sure you will have posted this before about six million times, but what do you actually think will be the Calzaghe v Jones result?

He actually argues pretty much the opposite. He is of the opinion that Roy has revolutionised himself and is now a totally different proposition. He believes that Roy has adopted a much more classical style and base to work from. Noone on the forum knows more about Roy than Reed does. If I were you I would probably just shut the fuck up and read what he posts or, if you are not interested and just want to continue telling everyone that Eubank and Benn are the two most talented fighters in boxing history, not bother visiting his threads. wow thanks bro..........

I voted 10 just for fun, but really that would be Tocker Pudwill beating a reincarnated SRR, so probably about six or something. A pretty big upset IMO.

We get it man. You're trying to play the "Jones is shot" card too hard so that you can brag endlessly if he wins and play it again if he loses. We get it. Enough threads about it. look at this idiot.... play nicely.

Honestly? About a 3. I pick Joe to beat Roy up, but Roy is still fast and could catch Joe when Joe goes on one of his defensless assaults if he is too careless.

You gotta admit this guy is going through a lotta effort telling us Jones is shot. He even put a pic in his sig of Jones KOed by Johnson. Enough already, its boring. He actually argues pretty much the opposite. He is of the opinion that Roy has revolutionised himself and is now a totally different proposition. He believes that Roy has adopted a much more classical style and base to work from. Noone on the forum knows more about Roy than Reed does. If I were you I would probably just shut the fuck up and read what he posts or, if you are not interested and just want to continue telling everyone that Eubank and Benn are the two most talented fighters in boxing history, not bother visiting his threads.

I voted for 8. I personally cannot see how Calzaghe will lose and if he did it would be a big upset.