Let me make a few things clear before you begin reading:
A) Im NOT a Wlad hater...
B) I actually put real money on Wlad to win
However Wlad was in trouble early in this fight...not in a sense of being hurt/knocked down/out but in trouble in a sense that he was close to being outboxed by a very unlikely opponent.
Tony COULD HAVE won this fight...or at the least forced a close decision (win or lose)...early on in the fight tony was working the body and not letting wlad have an edge but somewhere between the 5th and 7th round he gave up and let wlad have his way.
Through 6 rounds (i didnt keep an actual on paper scorecard) but it was either even or extremely close to even...
I didnt expect tony to come on so well...the body attack was really working for him...if he kept it up he could have forced a split decision (win or lose)...
however he basically gave up.
Props to wlad for hanging in there...
and props to tony for putting up a WAY better fight than i expected...before this fight i thought wlad puts him out within 5...he went 11...and could have turned it around...
what are your thoughts on this fight?
Let me make a few things clear before you begin reading:
A) Im NOT a Wlad hater...
B) I actually put real money on Wlad to win
However Wlad was in trouble early in this fight...not in a sense of being hurt/knocked down/out but in trouble in a sense that he was close to being outboxed by a very unlikely opponent.
Tony COULD HAVE won this fight...or at the least forced a close decision (win or lose)...early on in the fight tony was working the body and not letting wlad have an edge but somewhere between the 5th and 7th round he gave up and let wlad have his way.
Through 6 rounds (i didnt keep an actual on paper scorecard) but it was either even or extremely close to even...
I didnt expect tony to come on so well...the body attack was really working for him...if he kept it up he could have forced a split decision (win or lose)...
however he basically gave up.
Props to wlad for hanging in there...
and props to tony for putting up a WAY better fight than i expected...before this fight i thought wlad puts him out within 5...he went 11...and could have turned it around...
what are your thoughts on this fight?
I saw the same fight you did man! Nice observation!
Let me make a few things clear before you begin reading:
A) Im NOT a Wlad hater...
B) I actually put real money on Wlad to win
However Wlad was in trouble early in this fight...not in a sense of being hurt/knocked down/out but in trouble in a sense that he was close to being outboxed by a very unlikely opponent.
Tony COULD HAVE won this fight...or at the least forced a close decision (win or lose)...early on in the fight tony was working the body and not letting wlad have an edge but somewhere between the 5th and 7th round he gave up and let wlad have his way.
Through 6 rounds (i didnt keep an actual on paper scorecard) but it was either even or extremely close to even...
I didnt expect tony to come on so well...the body attack was really working for him...if he kept it up he could have forced a split decision (win or lose)...
however he basically gave up.
Props to wlad for hanging in there...
and props to tony for putting up a WAY better fight than i expected...before this fight i thought wlad puts him out within 5...he went 11...and could have turned it around...
what are your thoughts on this fight?
This wasn't supposed to be an easy fight for Wlad. A lot of people actually were calling for the upset (Graham Houston made this a tough 9 round fight for Wlad. Evan Young picked Tony Thompson for the upset)
TT didn't give up. He got broke the fuck down. Same thing would happen to anyone who keeps getting their head banged in by Wlad for 7 rounds.
I could see your point if Thompson were outlanding Klitschko 3-1. But really the numbers were close to even, and there is no doubt about who was landing the sharper punches.
no denying that...
in terms of strength of the punches it would be like watching mayorga v. spinks...
seriously.
i just think harold lederman and hbo didnt give tony his credit...
and if anyone gets access to the judges scorecards i'd love it if you could post them because through 6 i had it pretty close...
In professional boxing, yes it absolutely does. The more effective punches count more. You can check with anyone you want on this. Quality is scored over quantity.
Exactly! Its the person who inflicts more damage in the round, not the person who threw the most punches.
Well if you ask me...
if a fighter throws more...LANDS MORE...AND AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE its hard to score it against him...
and for the first 5-6 rounds i had it just about even...
effective punches count...meaning the ones that land and do damage...yes...
tony wasnt doing much damage but he was definately beating wlad to the punch early...landing with ease to the body...and wlad missing many shots...it was only in the second half of the fight where tony faded and wlad knocked him out.
I could see your point if Thompson were outlanding Klitschko 3-1. But really the numbers were close to even, and there is no doubt about who was landing the sharper punches.
In professional boxing, yes it absolutely does. The more effective punches count more. You can check with anyone you want on this. Quality is scored over quantity.
Well if you ask me...
if a fighter throws more...LANDS MORE...AND AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE its hard to score it against him...
and for the first 5-6 rounds i had it just about even...
effective punches count...meaning the ones that land and do damage...yes...
tony wasnt doing much damage but he was definately beating wlad to the punch early...landing with ease to the body...and wlad missing many shots...it was only in the second half of the fight where tony faded and wlad knocked him out.
Of course you'd RATHER get hit with the weaker punches...however overtime they still take their toll like a big punch...it just takes longer to feel it as good and more of them.
but hard v. light punches doesnt determine how to score a fight...
for instance...lets say i land 25 out of 40 punches on you in a round...and you land 5 out of 30...
mine are pitty-pat and yours are the kind that you swear could take someone's head off...
wouldnt people score that round for me? i used MORE punches...landed MORE punches...and at a HIGHER PERCENTAGE...sure you got in your good hard shots but i was more consistant throughout the round and controlled the action overall...true?
In professional boxing, yes it absolutely does. The more effective punches count more. You can check with anyone you want on this. Quality is scored over quantity.
To think Tony could have won is naive...
if the first 5-6 rounds repeated themselves for the last 5-6 rounds tony would have won...
he was working the body...not allowing wlad to land a jab...easily blocking the right hand...if this continued wlad would have been worn out by the body attack of tony and could have lost a split decision in the end...even if wlad won (assuming the first 5-6 rounds repeated themselves) he would have lost in the minds of most fans...
like i said i didnt keep a scorecard officially but by mental note i had it either a draw after 6 or only a round ahead for wlad...it was damn close...MUCH MUCH MUCH closer than i expected.
You fight some big heavyweight and then tell me you would rather get hit with a small amount of big punches rather that a lot of weak punches.
Wlad probably found out early that Tony's punches were weak and decided to take more of Tony's punches so he can land one big one. It wouldnt be the first time its happened.
Of course you'd RATHER get hit with the weaker punches...however overtime they still take their toll like a big punch...it just takes longer to feel it as good and more of them.
but hard v. light punches doesnt determine how to score a fight...
for instance...lets say i land 25 out of 40 punches on you in a round...and you land 5 out of 30...
mine are pitty-pat and yours are the kind that you swear could take someone's head off...
wouldnt people score that round for me? i used MORE punches...landed MORE punches...and at a HIGHER PERCENTAGE...sure you got in your good hard shots but i was more consistant throughout the round and controlled the action overall...true?
very sub-par performance by Wlad, and Wlad still easily knocked him out. He was never hurt or rocked, but looked sloppy and frustrated, and held too much. When he was letting his hands go, he was breaking Thompson down. Maybe he was not used to fighting a southpaw as large as him?
I fucked your sister in her fat ass, but she was the one who was smoking crack, not me. And I didn't give you any red karma, but I'll make a point of doing it now douchebag.
LMAO thanks for this:lol1: Scott.
Let me make a few things clear before you begin reading:
A) Im NOT a Wlad hater...
B) I actually put real money on Wlad to win
However Wlad was in trouble early in this fight...not in a sense of being hurt/knocked down/out but in trouble in a sense that he was close to being outboxed by a very unlikely opponent.
Tony COULD HAVE won this fight...or at the least forced a close decision (win or lose)...early on in the fight tony was working the body and not letting wlad have an edge but somewhere between the 5th and 7th round he gave up and let wlad have his way.
Through 6 rounds (i didnt keep an actual on paper scorecard) but it was either even or extremely close to even...
I didnt expect tony to come on so well...the body attack was really working for him...if he kept it up he could have forced a split decision (win or lose)...
however he basically gave up.
Props to wlad for hanging in there...
and props to tony for putting up a WAY better fight than i expected...before this fight i thought wlad puts him out within 5...he went 11...and could have turned it around...
what are your thoughts on this fight?
I thought Thompson won the first round convincingly, but Klitschko came back twice as strong in the second round. Thompson had his moments but Klitschko adjusted, got his rhythm and systematically broke Tony down mentally and physically. Additionally Thompson showed zero heart after the 5th round and showed virtually no effort...
To think Tony could have won is naive...
What changed midway in this fight is Thompson was being hurt and weakened more and more by the accumulation of hard punches by Wlad.
Give Thompson credit, many other fighters would have been knocked out earlier.
But I notice Wlad is starting to decline a bit. He wasn't moving around as effortlessly as he did against Brock, Byrd, and Austin.
its because Tony is a big 6'5 southpaw who likes to take control of the fights hes in and Wlad had trouble with that because thats what Thompson did
if you have such power in your punches then you should stop your opponent and not go to the cards...
the fact that tony was outpunching wlad...out landing wlad and apparently landing at a HIGHER PERCENTAGE should be taken into consideration...
wlad landed the hard shots but tony landed more punches...more often; etc.
who gives a shit, who won at the end?
probably...but its my opinion that you couldnt honestly say tony only won one of the rounds (like harold lederman had it)...i thought he was nuts.
I mean tony out punched wlad...out landed wlad...and obviously did it at a higher percentage...
i dont care if every punch wasnt a haymaker intended to knock wlad out...he did his job and was outboxing him early on...
wlad landed less shots; sure they were harder punches but thats not what boxing is...
boxing isn't, "whoever hits harder should win"...
i dont like or hate either boxer...so i dont think my opinion is biased...im just telling it as i saw it.
come on man Wlad dominated the fight from round 2 till the knock out.
fuckin shit fight.
bring back Lewis... vlad is robatic and shit. i can not watch him fight again! i said that after the last fight tho.
David Haye would have had a great chance of taking out Vlad tonight in this shitty fight. robotic ruskie and a lazy yank. :(
When you're feeling nostalgic, put in a tape of Lewis' fights against Tua or Mavrovic. Todays fight was a thriller compared to those.
fuckin shit fight.
bring back Lewis... vlad is robatic and shit. i can not watch him fight again! i said that after the last fight tho.
David Haye would have had a great chance of taking out Vlad tonight in this shitty fight. robotic ruskie and a lazy yank. :(
probably...but its my opinion that you couldnt honestly say tony only won one of the rounds (like harold lederman had it)...i thought he was nuts.
I mean tony out punched wlad...out landed wlad...and obviously did it at a higher percentage...
i dont care if every punch wasnt a haymaker intended to knock wlad out...he did his job and was outboxing him early on...
wlad landed less shots; sure they were harder punches but thats not what boxing is...
boxing isn't, "whoever hits harder should win"...
i dont like or hate either boxer...so i dont think my opinion is biased...im just telling it as i saw it.
You fight some big heavyweight and then tell me you would rather get hit with a small amount of big punches rather that a lot of weak punches.
Wlad probably found out early that Tony's punches were weak and decided to take more of Tony's punches so he can land one big one. It wouldnt be the first time its happened.