Tarver - The Best Talker in Boxing?

Well the reason is that I didn't score it, I just watched it for fun and at the end I felt that Tarver was the winner. Like I said, I'm prepared to believe I was wrong. Abadger i dont ment to jump on your case im just being an :asshole: i take your point is was a while ago and i must admit i thought Pavllik lost to Taylor the second time allthough i was watching it live on a bad sopcast stream and i did rewatch the fight and i had Pavlik winning when i watched a decent verison of the fight and i held my hands up i dont mean to act like a twat Abadger its just my nature sometimes :lol1:

i just dont know how u come to the conclusion Tarver won the first time u saw it thats all and to call it a robbery id have to seriously ask questions of your ability to score a fight or wether u were being biased back then cause it is pretty clear it was not a robbery Well the reason is that I didn't score it, I just watched it for fun and at the end I felt that Tarver was the winner. Like I said, I'm prepared to believe I was wrong.

Not at all. Did you read my posts? I, like many, thought that Tarver had been robbed immediately after I watched the fight, and I haven't seen it since. However it seems that most smart people believe that although Tarver looked good, Jones actually did enough to win. Short of going back and scoring the fight myself, which I really don't have time to do, I am willing to believe this view. Also, though I think Tarver put in excellent performances in all three fights, that wasn't prime Roy he fought. As for me being a Calzaghe fan and 'talking up' Tarvers wins, first I don't se that it has anything to do with it, and second I'm not, at least not to any greater degree than saying that Tarver was better than simply lucky. I don't know what you think a fight several years ago between two boxers Calzaghe has never faced has to do with Joe, but I suppose you imagine I would like to discredit Roy? Well, I actually like Roy Jones, what boxing fan wouldn't, and although I think some of his fans get a little carried away with the whole 'unbeatable superman' thing, trying to discredit him would be pretty pointless because he was a fantastic boxer. As for your Tarver - Jones, Hopkins - Calzaghe comparison, what are you saying? You really think Hopkins beat Calzaghe? If so thats up to you but really it wasn't even that close and shouldn't even have been a split decision. I haven't got as clear picture in my head of the first Tarver - Jones fight, but as I said my immediate reaction was that Tarver won, but I am prepared to believe I am wrong about this. My perception at the time was that what now seems to be regarded as 'Rounds off' for Tarver was actually smart fighting because to come lunging in was exactly Roy wanted Tarver to do. In actual fact it was smart fighting, but perhaps Tarver was a little too smart for his own good. i just dont know how u come to the conclusion Tarver won the first time u saw it thats all and to call it a robbery id have to seriously ask questions of your ability to score a fight or wether u were being biased back then cause it is pretty clear it was not a robbery as for Calzaghe v Hopkins i dont think neither deserved to win as ive stated before but to say it was not close is ridiculous Duke McKenzie thought he lost Mike Tyson thought he lost his father clearly thought the fight was close as did Calzaghe , Hopkins won 4 rounds of that fight easy and scored a knockdown to get a 10/8 round thats 5 rounds u only need 6 rounds get a draw and u suggest it was not a close fight if that is not a biased or inacurate assesment of the fight i dont know what is ,on top of all this Hopkins landed the cleaner harder shots and Calzaghe rarely found the target with anything accurate im not saying he deserved to win but Calzaghe did not deserve to win either he was the ineffective aggressor in the fight and took the more clean blows in the fight and he was the one landing the ineffective punches but Hopkins did not fight within the spirit of the game and Calzaghe did that is the only reason i can come up with why they decided to give it to Calzaghe this is the fight i finally gave up with the punchstats cause there is no way Calzaghe landed the amount punches they said he did i was sceptical of the punch stats after the PBF v Castillo but this fight made up my mind about them

Roy Jones beat Tarver fair and square the 1st time there were parts of that fight where Tarver took his foot of the gas and did'nt throw much, namely the middle part of the fight and Roy clearly overtook Tarver in the Championship rounds the last 3/4 Jones clearly pulled the fight out in the last 3 rounds and the only reason people feel it was closer is cause Tarver could not accept the decision and the fans had never seen Jones pushed so much in a fight ,facts are he still won fair and square Jones looked disapointed in himself a the end i must admit but when an oponent hardly ever hits u and your win nearly every round of your fights then u can understand why he was so underhwhelmed at the end he still won the fight though Abadger im giving Tarver respect cause im a Jones fan and he deserved credit for what he did and he is a good fighter i get the feeling u are talking Tarvers win up cause u are Calzaghe fan ,how can u think Tarver beat Jones and Calzaghe beat Hopkins LMAO thats what im talking about Not at all. Did you read my posts? I, like many, thought that Tarver had been robbed immediately after I watched the fight, and I haven't seen it since. However it seems that most smart people believe that although Tarver looked good, Jones actually did enough to win. Short of going back and scoring the fight myself, which I really don't have time to do, I am willing to believe this view. Also, though I think Tarver put in excellent performances in all three fights, that wasn't prime Roy he fought. As for me being a Calzaghe fan and 'talking up' Tarvers wins, first I don't se that it has anything to do with it, and second I'm not, at least not to any greater degree than saying that Tarver was better than simply lucky. I don't know what you think a fight several years ago between two boxers Calzaghe has never faced has to do with Joe, but I suppose you imagine I would like to discredit Roy? Well, I actually like Roy Jones, what boxing fan wouldn't, and although I think some of his fans get a little carried away with the whole 'unbeatable superman' thing, trying to discredit him would be pretty pointless because he was a fantastic boxer. As for your Tarver - Jones, Hopkins - Calzaghe comparison, what are you saying? You really think Hopkins beat Calzaghe? If so thats up to you but really it wasn't even that close and shouldn't even have been a split decision. I haven't got as clear picture in my head of the first Tarver - Jones fight, but as I said my immediate reaction was that Tarver won, but I am prepared to believe I am wrong about this. My perception at the time was that what now seems to be regarded as 'Rounds off' for Tarver was actually smart fighting because to come lunging in was exactly Roy wanted Tarver to do. In actual fact it was smart fighting, but perhaps Tarver was a little too smart for his own good.

Roy Jones beat Tarver fair and square the 1st time there were parts of that fight where Tarver took his foot of the gas and did'nt throw much, namely the middle part of the fight and Roy clearly overtook Tarver in the Championship rounds the last 3/4 Jones clearly pulled the fight out in the last 3 rounds and the only reason people feel it was closer is cause Tarver could not accept the decision and the fans had never seen Jones pushed so much in a fight ,facts are he still won fair and square Jones looked disapointed in himself a the end i must admit but when an oponent hardly ever hits u and your win nearly every round of your fights then u can understand why he was so underhwhelmed at the end he still won the fight though Abadger im giving Tarver respect cause im a Jones fan and he deserved credit for what he did and he is a good fighter i get the feeling u are talking Tarvers win up cause u are Calzaghe fan ,how can u think Tarver beat Jones and Calzaghe beat Hopkins LMAO thats what im talking about

Roy was caught by a similar punch against Lou De Valle. Only his chin was better then and the shot wasn't as powerful. I think he had trouble seeing lefts from southpaws in general. I think in his prime, Roy beats Tarver, but not as easily as he beats everyone else. Its a tough matchup for him and even when he beat him in the amateurs in was so close that Tarver always thought he was robbed. As far as the best trash talker, I like James Toney. Dude is hilarious in general. The only one not to get properly 'dogged out' by him, coincidentilly was Roy Jones who had some slick responses. I dug the Tombstone Doc Holiday reference signifying that Toney was only second best... "I'm here huckleberry" http://youtube.com/watch?v=uIpXR7-qmCY&feature=related It was also pretty hilarious in the Toney-Peter buildup when Toney was shaking his rag at the camera saying "Im'a send him back in a banana boat to Africa"....

Most deffinatly. Roy won the battle, Tarver won the war. To use a cliche to explain that. Roy won rounds with right hands to the body while Tarver wasn't working. In the rounds where he did his work, Tarver had Roy in trouble. I can understand how, looking at the fight, you would think tarver won easily. I thought you were saying that Tarver had deffinatly won. Yeahn it was a close decision. i didnt score the fight myself but a few of my friends were and they got on their scorecards scores of 115-113 or 116-112 for RJJ..

You may very well be right, as i said before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if on rewatching I saw that Jones had taken enough rounds. However, I am very sure of who looked like the winner in that fight and immediately after watching it I was convinced I had just seen a huge robbery. Most deffinatly. Roy won the battle, Tarver won the war. To use a cliche to explain that. Roy won rounds with right hands to the body while Tarver wasn't working. In the rounds where he did his work, Tarver had Roy in trouble. I can understand how, looking at the fight, you would think tarver won easily. I thought you were saying that Tarver had deffinatly won.

No, Tarver did lose the first fight. Honestly man, go and rewatch it. Tarver did all of his work in a few rounds. Roy won the fight with right hands to the body throughout the fight. You may very well be right, as i said before, I wouldn't be at all surprised if on rewatching I saw that Jones had taken enough rounds. However, I am very sure of who looked like the winner in that fight and immediately after watching it I was convinced I had just seen a huge robbery.

Training takes the major part of the win but it not the only thing. Gameplan is also very important. People say style makes fight guess what fighters change there style from one fight to another. each opponent is treated differently. So you gotta see what is you pros and use it effectively against the other fighter. For some fighters they got speed and power but dont are not effective with it, There are many fighters who overall level of skills and fitness is better then his opponent but end up losing fight just because he doesnt know how to use his advantage. Yeah i agree. the fighter gotta be clever and intelligent, not weak minded. Lots of fighters out there waste their talent and end up losing the fight

Well, he did technically lose the first fight. No, Tarver did lose the first fight. Honestly man, go and rewatch it. Tarver did all of his work in a few rounds. Roy won the fight with right hands to the body throughout the fight.

basically?? Well, he did technically lose the first fight.

Yep, I agree with all of that. I posted before that there was a reason why Tarver called Jones out so long and so loud, he felt he had his number, and when they fought he was basically proved correct. basically??

Yep, I agree with all of that. I posted before that there was a reason why Tarver called Jones out so long and so loud, he felt he had his number, and when they fought he was basically proved correct. Roy was always gonna struggle with Tarver because he is natural counter puncher like Jones and but he has that akward stance being a southpaw that Roy did not like IMO on top of the he is tall and has a very good jab and good power

yeah i agree shame really cause Tarver seems like a nice guy and good fighter to boot i think he would have always given Jones trouble TBH wether he would of beat Jones in his prime i doubt it but he would have given him an uncomfortable fight regardless Yep, I agree with all of that. I posted before that there was a reason why Tarver called Jones out so long and so loud, he felt he had his number, and when they fought he was basically proved correct.

I think he is hated because he beat Roy, who has this superman reputation. I think lots of people don't want to credit Tarver because it is easier to believe that superman was destroyed by a lucky bum rather than beaten fair and square by the better boxer on the night. yeah i agree shame really cause Tarver seems like a nice guy and good fighter to boot i think he would have always given Jones trouble TBH wether he would of beat Jones in his prime i doubt it but he would have given him an uncomfortable fight regardless

Yeah, The night of the fight is nothing. What matters is the Training. Training takes the major part of the win but it not the only thing. Gameplan is also very important. People say style makes fight guess what fighters change there style from one fight to another. each opponent is treated differently. So you gotta see what is you pros and use it effectively against the other fighter. For some fighters they got speed and power but dont are not effective with it, There are many fighters who overall level of skills and fitness is better then his opponent but end up losing fight just because he doesnt know how to use his advantage.

same here Abadger i think Tarver is a good fighter and a great personality and cant understand the distane people have for him Tarver is a great Talker and quite funny he reminds me of Riddick Bowe he was a good funny guy aswell and had a good personality I think he is hated because he beat Roy, who has this superman reputation. I think lots of people don't want to credit Tarver because it is easier to believe that superman was destroyed by a lucky bum rather than beaten fair and square by the better boxer on the night.

Very true. Many things can affect a fight. Yeah, The night of the fight is nothing. What matters is the Training.

these stuff is hard to tell intell you put them together. even fighters who are going to fight now you cant really tell if he is going to win or not. It all depends on the game plan and how the fight is going to go on. Very true. Many things can affect a fight.