The Welsh, they need to hold on to the little talent they have.
1) Calzaghe
2) Calzaghe
3) Calzaghe
Amongst others Enzo Mac is worth mentioning, previous CW world champion, will get another shot, and is #7 in the division.
Bradley Price is aight and will progress. Some others too. Not bad for a country with the population of Connecticut.
I can name 1 his name is "Emmanuel Stewart"
It's StewarD you fucking nitwit
What other boxing personalities do you know?
Floyd Dayweather
Manny Tacquiao
Jim Lampler?
Biased fans without many talented fighters - British
Biased fans with many talented fighters - Mexican
Biased judging - German
Biased press - American (by a mile)
I cannot vote for Puertoricans as the most biased since I'm a Puertorican who has a dislike for Tito Trinidad and his father as persons, a dislike that is shared by the vast majority of my real life friends. The difference is that most of them root for him anyways and I only root for him when I dislike his opponent more than I dislike him.
I like that you start the post with sarcasm about being a victim then end it with THAT post script, like you guys are the Jews in Nazi era Germany or some shit.
BTW, your whole point is incorrect because the reasoning behind it is more ignorance than Bias. You claim Americans are not exposed to Euro fighters. True or not, that is ignorance, not bias. Bias would be proclaiming that Mayweather was ducking Ricky hatton and would get TKOed by him, then after the fight claiming that he cheated to win and Hatton was winning the fight (something I've seen a bunch of on here).
Really, most people on this board are practicing :
Inaccurate Observation.
Overgeneralization
Selective Observation
Illogical Reasoning
Abadger, you're not a bad poster and you're a pretty smart guy...but you can be biased as hell. This pretty much stems from the fact that you are upset and annoyed at all the hate Joe C. gets on here. You then project that to think that all Americans think like this. Don't associate with trolls just because they agree with your viewpoints some of the time or are nationalistically on your side. You don't see me agreeing with Flawless' idiotic post about "American fighters being the most exciting because of PPV stream revenue"
You can call it ignorance if you want, but its all one and the same to me. If you can't be bothered to pay enough attention to fighters from outside the US to form a coherent opinion then you are exhibiting biased preferences that lead to an ignorant opinions. Another word for this is called being dumb.
I realise that not all American posters are like this, but frankly it is a very large majority, including some of even the best posters on the site. It seems to me to be very deeply ingrained in the average US boxing fan that 'US is best' and the rest of the world sucks. The US may very well be the best, but the rest of the world doesn't suck and its no excuse for pretending that it does. If you do, you aren't really a fan of boxing at all, but a team USA cheerleader.
Yes its true. I am the victim. Poor me.
Anyway, it is true that a large majority of even normally reasonable American posters genuinely appear to think he is some sort of half-assed no hoper, discredit his every win the moment it happens and generally despise the man, simply because he is not American. Meanwhile, Pavlik who is good but by no means great is lauded to the high heavens. If this isn't biased, I don't know what is.
BTW, I will always defend my Calzaghe nuthugging brothers in the face of the horrific, jaw dropping and deeply upsetting persecution we face here.
Pavlik KO1 Calzaghe
You are way too into playing victim all the time. Stop it.
No one with any brains thinks Calzaghe is "SHIT" anymore. He is at LEAST a good to VERY good fighter even if you hate his ass you have to acknowledge that he's at least GOOD. Anyone who says that is either:
A troll
or responding to the ENDLESS trolling and bias by nutty Calzaghe fans like Ricky, Sir Joe, and Lucky 13 (at least one of whom you defend constantly). I think you need to take a good long hard look at Brit fans and really think about what you are saying.
I expect you'll get mad now and try to tell me that I said "calzaghe was shit". LOL.
Yes its true. I am the victim. Poor me.
Anyway, it is true that a large majority of even normally reasonable American posters genuinely appear to think he is some sort of half-assed no hoper, discredit his every win the moment it happens and generally despise the man, simply because he is not American. Meanwhile, Pavlik who is good but by no means great is lauded to the high heavens. If this isn't biased, I don't know what is.
BTW, I will always defend my Calzaghe nuthugging brothers in the face of the horrific, jaw dropping and deeply upsetting persecution we face here.
None of them are significantly worse than the others, but all of those groups have some biased fans.
I would say however that Puerto Ricans seem to be the least biased. I base this only upon the posts on this website, it may be different in real life but I wouldn't know as I've never met a Puerto Rican. I can't think of a Puerto Rican equivalent of Viva Mexico, Xcaret or Mayan Sun.
I voted for America. The reason why is because I think that boxing fans often give the benefit of the doubt to a fighter that they've been impressed by over one that they aren't familiar with. In my opinion British boxing fans are less likely to do this simply because we see a wider variety of boxing than you. You guys have all the American-based big fights. So do we. But we have all the European-based big fights.
There are some that we miss out on, but if we do, it seems that more of us take the time to download them, whereas American posters seem more likely think "Who is he? Who has he fought? Why should I care?". If that's your view then so be it, but don't form an opinion about a boxer based upon the fact that he hasn't fought on HBO.
What this results in is American fighters being rated too highly, whereas lesser-known foreign fighters are dismissed without any real consideration. Sorry guys but Chris John is a very good fighter, and if you're one of those that thinks he's a bum who only ever wins because of hometown decisions you should try and actually watch him fight.
An example of when this happened recently was Abraham-Miranda. Many Americans had seen Miranda score impressive-looking KOs and so expected him to win, even though some of them hadn't even seen the original fight between them, let alone any other Abraham fights.
I use that example because Miranda isn't American and therefore it proves my point: it's more to do with rushing to an opinion before you have the facts rather than being biased. But I think that the rushing tends to be a little bit faster if the boxer in question is American.
This about sums it up I would say.
Unless some sort of study is being done with this information I really can't see a reason to participate in such a stupid discussion. Isn't this a boxing forum? Lets discuss boxing and the guys who actually get in the ring. Not the obnoxious fans who more than half the time only know about the one fighter they follow.