You see a thread singing the praises of a fighter who did what pretty much everyone expected him to.
Let's not go overboard. David Diaz didn't deserve the title he held, not for being barely able to beat a cadaver named Erik Morales - who had lost pretty convincingly THREE times before facing Diaz; a one-sided loss to Zahir Raheem and two big KO's from Pacquiao. He hasn't fought since.
But now that Pacman has obliterated Diaz like anyone could've guessed, we'll see dozens of threads extolling his greatness.
Don't get me wrong - Manny is either #1 or #2 on the p4p list. But this win means nothing in the big scheme of things, except for those who can now use this to say Pac won x amount of titles in his career. All well and good but this title is a paper one.
and that's the thing, all the negative stuff people can throw at D Diaz about him being a weak paper champ
it's all clear as day factual evidence, which is very hard to argue against
like Diaz starting his career at 140 and moving down to Lightweight, after getting kayo'd by Kendall Holt
heck you listed boxrec, someone can boxrec all of the above, because it is all very real and did happen.
sure Diaz was a Lightweight Champ .. but we can boxrec that and see that he never beat a champion to become one
for those who do not know the story Diaz was the interim WBC Champ, and became the Full champ after Joel Casamayor got stripped. making Diaz the full WBC champ
his first title defense was vs Erik Morales.
and that fight has been covered already on here so im not gonna cover it.
yet instead people try to use boxing experts opinions on calling a fight a "close" match up to use as logic when it's a blow out.
newsflash, experts have a fight to hype up. why would Dan Rafael say on ESPN or what not "oh yeah Diaz-Paquiao, total mismatch, heck Diaz was luck to get by Morales"
not exactly a good marketing move when HBO's trying to sell a PPV.
**oh don't get me started on the weigh in posts (how long is that thread going about how jacked Diaz looks?)
so ridiculous. Hey Bringer did ya see the nipples on Diaz? he'll wreck Pac-man for sure, just watch! im tellin ya man, it's all in the nips.
yeah not to tag onto your point, but I would highly recommend for anyone on here to read The Ring's article on that Diaz-Morales fight
really after reading it, i think it'll change some perspectives
Diaz comes back from a 1st round knock down, to basically outwork and narrowly beat a faded fighter with 53 pro fights, who was only going up to lightweight to try and be the only Mexican to win a world title in 4 weight classes.
Agreed.
But half of the posters on here think boxrec and clips from youtube is all they need to see. And then they fall into the hype after viewing a few weigh-in pictures.
Hell, I've been suckered a few times from this. But Diaz was one of the worst champs in the sport. Let's get a grip and act like we know boxing.
yeah not to tag onto your point, but I would highly recommend for anyone on here to read The Ring's article on that Diaz-Morales fight
really after reading it, i think it'll change some perspectives
Diaz comes back from a 1st round knock down, to basically outwork and narrowly beat a faded fighter with 53 pro fights, who was only going up to lightweight to try and be the only Mexican to win a world title in 4 weight classes.
mismatch or not pacman made a good (not great) lightweight look like shit, and thats impressive imo.
oh and he knocked him the fuck out lol.
Sorry dude, Diaz is average at best. Good? No...did anybody see his fight with the decrepit Morales? Come on, man...
you mean like how cotto p4p ranking went up after he beat gomez?
Or do you mean like how Calzaghe's p4p ranking went up after he beat an over the hill 43 year old Hopkins?
Or do you mean like how Calzaghe wants a piece of RJJ after he beat up Tito?
That's exactly what I mean.
yeah and Gayweather retired as the greatest of all time.
Just call on popkins to duck and dive and fight like a girl and gayweather to not retire and fight top welters.
Sorry dude but you shouldn'e bet against pac.
or else you will get duped once again.
I bet on Pac you fucking moron.
There's nothing wrong with giving credit to a guy for doing what he's supposed to.
But still...he was only doing what he was supposed to.
Go check out the first page of this board...you'd think Pac just KO'ed Guzman, Casamayor and Campbell in one night.
He didn't. He beat the sh*t out of David Diaz who, in case you missed his embarassing performance against Erik Morales, reminded everyone how bad he is tonight.
You see a thread singing the praises of a fighter who did what pretty much everyone expected him to.
you mean like how cotto p4p ranking went up after he beat gomez?
Or do you mean like how Calzaghe's p4p ranking went up after he beat an over the hill 43 year old Hopkins?
Or do you mean like how Calzaghe wants a piece of RJJ after he beat up Tito?
sarcasm, kball.
Obviously people will overract, but Manny put on a good preformance against a pretty good fighter.
I expected Manny to dominate and knock out Diaz, and was curious as to why he was facing Diaz in the first place.
Nate Campbell holds 3 out of the 4 alphabet belts
D. Diaz held the 4th. thus the fight of David Diaz vs Pac-Man.
if Bob Arum and Top Rank are gonna move Pac-man up to 135, why not for a title? and besides D Diaz fought on the Marquez-Pac-man undercard to "build up the fight"
completely agree with Bringer, very impressive, as Manny did as he pleased but can people stop talking about size so damn much? sure Diaz was the bigger man, but there's very little you can do when your opponent can rip of 4 and 5 punch combos at will.
not crapping on Pac-Man as he clearly didn't take Diaz lightly, but can we at least look at this performance in perspective compared to the other Lightweight Titlist(s)? such as Campbell and Casamayor.
yea, honestly, I think David Diaz would have lost to Julio. I said that before this match too.
but I have to admit that Pacquiao's performance was very impressive. David is a tough guy and has good power, but Manny completely ripped him apart. that I just didnt expect...and while David isnt anything special, hes no pushover.
on paper, this win was huge for Pac. David was getting owned by Santa Cruz before landing a big shot and probebly should have lost the Morales fight, but he still has wins over them.(on paper)
yall are always trying to put down dominant wins over lousy guys, but sometimes fail to see how important it is for a fighter to do what theyre supposed to. too many times we see a guy get put into a fight that theyre supposed to dominate in, and yet they struggle to do any real damage.
that being said, lets not go overboard with this win...haha.
Why even bother? Ricky is selective. He has a selective memory, selective hearing, and selective vision. You know that deep inside he is jealous that Calzaghe will never get this kind of attention, praise, and love. He also knows that any publications that had Calzaghe as #1 P4P are going to lower him in favor of Pacman after this performance.
Ricky is jealous, but it's okay, we still wish death on him.
true dat, true dat
thats not their job at all. they get no more money if u pay for the PPV or not. Dan Rafael ALWAYS tells it like it is. As do all experts, because its their job.
Dan Rafael? The same guy who spoke about how terrible the decision was in the CHris John-Marquez bout before admitting two weeks later that he hadn't seen it?
Please.
Bottom line, it's still common sense. If you can barely squeeze by a shot Erik Morales, you're gonna get KTFO by Manny Pacquiao.
I might watch that for free but on pay-per-view?
As long as fans keep hyping sh*t like this up, you'll see more mismatches for $50. Enjoy.
Yeah it was an amazing performance, nobody is discrediting that. But you need to take into account the opposition, and that opposition was David Diaz, the paper Champion of the Lightweight division.
Now if Pacquiao would have done what he did tonight to Joel Casamayor, or Nate Campbell, that'd be different, but he didn't.
Great performance, performed above expectations, looked as sharp as he ever has, did eveything he possibly could correctly.
But I don't think it's degrading to Pacquiao to mention facts, and the fact is that it was David Diaz, not Joel Casamayor or Nate Campbell.
yea thats a good point. But there is so much to be excited about after that performance.
New p4p king. people thought Pac was slipping, well he isnt. And People wanted to know if he'd be competitive up there so that a Hatton-Pac fight could happen down the line at 140... well it can.
Lots to look forward to with manny pacquiao, and thats pretty amazing considering how long he has been around
I am not hyping up Diaz's skill or resume but he did KO Santa Cruz, who got robbed against Casamayor. David is also ranked #2 in the Ring mag. Pac is also going up in weight.
Glad to see someone else vocalizing this opinion. Pacquiao looked great, performed better than expected, and should get praise. But not to the level he's getting (there's like 10 different congrats threads). Let's remember the opposition here, Diaz is a very limited guy with no much in terms of speed, movement, technique, or variables. All he ahd going was a slight edge in power and an advantage in size.
Diaz barely beat Erik Morales last year at a point in which Morales looked like rigormortis was setting in on his ass.
fair point, diaz is a decent fighter not some sort of great fighter but pac did look excellent tonight and should be praised for a great performance but maybe some are going a little bit overboard:dance::dance:
I thought it would be a tougher fight but the speed disparity between Pacquiao and Diaz was huge.
Anyways, I agree with OP, we have to remember it was against David Diaz, who as it turned out had the style to make Pacquiao look great.
I do think Pacquiao was stronger than most of us expected though because Diaz is a strong lightweight and Pacquiao managed push him back at times.
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sarcasm, kball.
Obviously people will overract, but Manny put on a good preformance against a pretty good fighter.
I expected Manny to dominate and knock out Diaz, and was curious as to why he was facing Diaz in the first place.
That's because their job is to puff up Diaz...and make you forget the fact that you shelled out $50 for a sparring session.
If you struggle with a shot Erik Morales, you're gonna get KTFO by Manny Pacquiao. Really simple stuff here.
thats not their job at all. they get no more money if u pay for the PPV or not. Dan Rafael ALWAYS tells it like it is. As do all experts, because its their job.
noooooooooooobody was expecting THAT kind of a beating. Hell, a lot of people and experts, including Dan Rafael, were giving Diaz a good shot at winning the fight.
Pacquiao put on a amazing performance. Nobody was expecting that type of a beating.
Yeah it was an amazing performance, nobody is discrediting that. But you need to take into account the opposition, and that opposition was David Diaz, the paper Champion of the Lightweight division.
Now if Pacquiao would have done what he did tonight to Joel Casamayor, or Nate Campbell, that'd be different, but he didn't.
Great performance, performed above expectations, looked as sharp as he ever has, did eveything he possibly could correctly.
But I don't think it's degrading to Pacquiao to mention facts, and the fact is that it was David Diaz, not Joel Casamayor or Nate Campbell.