A match-up made in heaven? Kessler vs. Pavlik. Who wins?

Too small for Kessler? Taylor is a true super middleweight, maybe one day he will be a light-heavyweight. Kessler isn't an enormous super middleweight and probably will end his career at 168. Kessler is a large SM. He's very close to the size of Pavlik (who is a gargantuan middle, and huge even for a supermiddle). I'm not talking necessarily height, here...I'm talking bone structure. Look at Taylor's shoulder width compared to Kessler and Pavlik. He's definitely smaller than both. And never ready to go 12 hard rounds. And carries his guard low (Kessler will eat that right up), and fights low (can't be a more perfect victim). Taylor has LOADS of good qualities, but just as many bad habits to go along with them. Just to compare....Kessler and Taylor are both 6'1". Kessler has a 73" reach (don't know what Taylor's is). Pavlik is nearly 6'3", and has a 75" reach. Different body types. Just another example, I know a guy who's 6'6" and wears an 11 shoe, and a large glove size. He weighs 200 pounds. I'm 6'2", weigh 215, wear XXL gloves, and a 13 shoe, and can twist him up like a pretzel any time I choose.

That's an easy one....Kessler by early KO (before end of 5). Taylor is too small, and too inactive, and loses in a big way to Kessler. That kid shines. Kessler is bigger than Jermain, however Taylor is not small by any means. He (as well as Pavlik) is a naturally bigger guy that pulls his weight down to be more effective and have the advantages at the smaller weight classes. Taylor has the frame of a super middleweight and could still be very effective at light heavyweight. To be honest, Jermain is no smaller than Joe Calzaghe. I would give Taylor a good shot at beating Kessler. He throws better combinations, is more fluent/elsuive and is the better out boxer. I could definitely see Taylor pulling off a close decision here. While Kessler is a very good fighter, i think that people overestimate him a tad bit. The only wins of his that i were impressed with were his wins over Mundine and Andrade, neither guy is as good as Taylor. Taylor has cleary fought the better opposition and beaten the better opposition as well. The Taylor that fought Pavlik in the rematch has a very good shot at beating kessler. He didn't back up into any ropes, kept his hands up and was on his toes boxing for the entire fight. I don't see Kessler matching well against these elusive boxers. He is very flat footed and can be out boxed.

That's an easy one....Kessler by early KO (before end of 5). Taylor is too small, and too inactive, and loses in a big way to Kessler. That kid shines. Too small for Kessler? Taylor is a true super middleweight, maybe one day he will be a light-heavyweight. Kessler isn't an enormous super middleweight and probably will end his career at 168.

Pavlik would lose to Calzaghe too. If Kessler fought Taylor who do you think would win? Honestly? That's an easy one....Kessler by early KO (before end of 5). Taylor is too small, and too inactive, and loses in a big way to Kessler. That kid shines.

Pavlik actually won his super fights, Kessler came up short in his. Pavlik's the more proven commodity. Pavlik would lose to Calzaghe too. If Kessler fought Taylor who do you think would win? Honestly?

^^^You think that "Taylor hits around as hard as Kessler"? Kessler hits much, much harder. I'd say Taylor's punching power is more effective due to his speed though, if you don't see it coming it hurts a lot more. By no means am I calling Kessler slow but Taylor has more fluid combination which IMO is way more effective then one punch at a time, Kessler combinations aren't nearly as effective. Even Pavlik says Taylor hits like a Mule. I'd say Taylor is right up there in terms of power, when you look at his combinations and speed. Kind of reminiscent of Mayweather, he puts his punches together well, and they are more effective for this reason. However I'd say that Taylor does have alot of power and uses it effectively. The only guys that went 12 rounds with Taylor are ex champions and a guy that hadn't been knocked out. His other decisions were 2 four rounders, one 8, and one ten. He has power, he just has a solid resume.

Pavlik actually won his super fights, Kessler came up short in his. Pavlik's the more proven commodity.

Kessler has solid footwork, but by no means would I say it is excellent. Taylor has excellent footwork, Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hopkins, etc. Kessler is very mechanical. His greatest asset is his discipline. While his heart stands strong, his stamina as well, I'd say Pavlik is in better shape(bigger man in a lighter division just pure logic) and has a big heart as well. Pavlik hits like an anvil, dude straight hits hard, his jab reaches half way across the ring and pounds your head back, and his work rate is unbelievable at middleweight for a skilled fighter(he's efficient and accurate). Kessler is a work horse and hits hard as well, but watch Taylor's face in the Pavlik Taylor 1, you watch Taylors head go back, then his face(I watched it so many times it was awesome, never seen anything like it). Kessler doesn't have the natural tools that Taylor has, I'd say Taylor hits around as hard as Kessler, and Pavlik made it through it, in fact he punished him. I haven't seen a fighter hurt someone with their jab that consistently since Ike Quartey. If you worry about a jab, how are you going to see that straight right, Taylor sure didn't see it in the first fight. His jab is demanding and that is the key to the fight, Pavlik has the better, stronger, more accurate jab. That can win a fight and would more then likely win this one. The thing about Pavlik, he is not real fast, has solid foot work, ok defense, but a work mans attitude, he just doesn't look special(I'd say Taylor is more talented), but when you watch a few of his fights you can see and understand he is a good fighter that CAN be a great fighter. I am by no means saying Kessler can't win, but I don't think he can out jab Pavlik and that is what sets Pavlik up for everything.

My my have the tables turned, At first everybody had kessler now Pavlik is a unanimous decision and by KO

LMAO, 42.86% think Kessler beats Pavlik, yet only about 30% think Calzaghe will beat Pavlik. Calzaghe beat Kessler yet Kessler has a better chance of beating Kelly - LMAO gimme a break.

Kessler would destroy Pavlik, it would look like Kessler vs Andrade all over again except the fact Pavlik would get KOed. Haha, so first Pavlik is a lesser version of Kessler, now he is a copy of Andrade except worse cuz he'd get KO'd. No Euro bias here :ugh:

That "skinny bitch" would take your fucking head off. And, he beats Kessler too, imo. I still gotta say it's a coin toss. If Pavlik's chin weren't just a tad questionable (not to say he's exactly chinny, mind you, but he's very hittable, and hurtable, if you'll pardon the expression), and if he were a little less intent on moving straight forward, I'd probably give him the edge myself, but as it stands, I think he'll be catching just as much as he throws. It'll probably come down to either who's got the better chin, or who's got the better work rate. He's got bucketloads of heart, to his great credit, and I think that if he had another year or 3 experience I'd be picking him for a clear win, but he's still pretty young and has only recently been at top levels of competition.

Your right,Kessler walk around 180 om fight-night,let us see if that skinny bitch to Palvik can deal with a guy on this size:boxing: That "skinny bitch" would take your fucking head off. And, he beats Kessler too, imo.

People seem to be forgetting Kessler is a fucking huge super middleweight, I seriously don't understand how he makes the weight. Your right,Kessler walk around 180 om fight-night,let us see if that skinny bitch to Palvik can deal with a guy on this size:boxing:

Looking at it like that could be misleading. Kessler is a straight up style European fighter who only goes back and fourth. How would he escape the accuracy of Pavlik and being pushed into corners with the effective volume punching? Pavlik is very consistant, durable and a very hard puncher. Calzaghe was able to walk Kessler down and back him up, even hurting him with a body punch and if the referee didn't seperate them at the exact same moment, then you could make a case for Kessler going down. He was pretty hurt. Would have been devestating if Kessler was hurt against Pavlik, who brings more pressure than Calzaghe, is a way harder puncher than Calzaghe and has straighter shots than Calzaghe as well. He is also a better finsher than Calzaghe and has those pin point accurate shots that wears you down over the course of a fight. I can't see Kessler doing well in this match up. He would look better against a fighter that doesn't bring as much pressure and actually takes a step back, like Librado Andrade. Pavlik would be too much for Kessler. Pavlik by unanimous decision, possibly late stoppage. I'm a bit drunk just returned froma wine tasting, so making a long ass response to this pretty good post is impossible. But I will say this: Kessler is definetely not a 'back-and-fourth' fighter. He has excellent footwork and I might suspect that you havent seen a lot of him. Andrade said that Kessler kept him off balance all night and always gave him angles with no room to counter.

I made a long post about comparing Kessler and Pavlik a while back. Basically I pointed out that Kelly throws more punches per round than Kessler, which is a pretty significant difference. Also, although Kessler is always fit, I think Kelly has better stamina. He is as active in the 12th as he is in the 1st. And the heart and will factor is also significant, I think Kelly wins there. As for power, I just don't think Kessler is more powerful than Pavlik. There is no evidence whatsoever to back that up. Kelly's power could easily transfer to 168. So to say Kessler is just Pavlik+ is completely misguided. I picked Kelly in an entertaining UD. P.S. All those Euros screaming bias by the Americans are complaining because we're not picking your guy Kessler, not because you want us to be more objective. Take a long look in the mirror. This is a good statement, but please, apply the same logic to your post. There is no evidence to back up the fact that Pavlik has better stamina. In fact, the opposite is true. Kessler outworked and beat Calzaghe in round 12, and Calzaghe has among the best stamina in the game, certainly better than Pavliks. Pavlik may well have more heart and will than Kessler, but again, unproven. Kelly's power could transfer easily to 168? Even though it looked lacklustre at 166 against a man we know for a fact can't take his punches? I have no problem with any of the points you made, some were very good, but don't state ojbective opinions and then tell us that there is no evidence to back up some of the claims made by people picking Kessler. There is in fact more evidence to support their arguement than there is for yours.

Pavlik would annihilate Kessler. Constant pressure and movement from Pavlik would be too much for Kessler who tends to be stationary at times which spells danger when fighting Pavlik who's work rate would be overwhelming. Kessler is overrated IMO, Pavlik stops him in 9

I thinlk it would be a very close fight, its a fight id love to see. ......................... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/2500879524_f976eb45db.jpg

Only reason calzaghe manage to back him up was because of hes overwhelming amount of punches that hew throws, Kessler would be setting the pace if this fight happened imo. Pavlik's workrate is only a little bit worse than Calzaghe's and he hits way harder.

Kessler would destroy Pavlik, it would look like Kessler vs Andrade all over again except the fact Pavlik would get KOed. Andrade backs up and doesn't have the knockout power and pin point accuracy that Pavlik does. Andrade is an in your face brawler that looks to out last his opponent. Pavlik is far more consistant, a harder puncher than Andrade and has the better weaponary. Using him as an example is completely irrelevant.