Joe Calzaghe vs Kelly Pavlik

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my prediction pavlik would come out fast and hard, relentlessly throwing one-twos and coming forward pressuring calzaghe , cal would backtrack and go into a shell, he hasnt faced anyone with pavliks power and relentless attack before (except maybe lacy) pavlik would find his mark and wobble calzaghe , maybe even put him down before calzaghe negates pavliks one two attack and starts picking him off with flurries, starting to dominate, then in the mid to late rounds, with calzaghe enjoying a solid points lead, pavlik would up the tempo again and find his mark, theres no escape for calzaghe this time and pavlik finishes him with some crunching uppercuts and straights pavlik TKO 9 Pretty funny if you've seen the Calzaghe-Lacy fight. Relentless attack! Power!

In my opinion Calzaghe is actually at his best when fighting as a counter-puncher. Calzaghe's best performances were against Lacy and Kessler because those two both come forward. Calzaghe had better footwork and handspeed and was able to get out of the way of their punches and then lands fast counters. Calzaghe's worst performances have been against defensive counter-punchers/spoilers such as Bika and Salem. Calzaghe did come forwards against Hopkins, but that was only because if he hadn't done so there would have been zero punches in that fight. lacy was 5'8, pavlik is 6'2 no comparison two different fighters based on height alone. kessler was actually catching calzaghe when he stood his ground and punched with him, he was dicouraged because he was taking too many jabs in his mouth he started to back up, hence calzaghe coming forward on kessler. pavlik WILL NOT BACK UP!!!! he got friggin rocked by taylor and instead of retreating he came forward and actually one the next round and if im not mistaken could of stopped taylor in that round or the fourth. he took bombs from miranda and still came forward no jab is going to discourage pavlik heck repeated right hands wont do it.

according to boxingscene posters calzaghe can ko a prime roy jones calzaghe has more power than nigel benn how does pavlik even stand a chance? You forgot British before boxingscene.

according to boxingscene posters calzaghe can ko a prime roy jones calzaghe has more power than nigel benn how does pavlik even stand a chance?

my prediction pavlik would come out fast and hard, relentlessly throwing one-twos and coming forward pressuring calzaghe , cal would backtrack and go into a shell, he hasnt faced anyone with pavliks power and relentless attack before (except maybe lacy) pavlik would find his mark and wobble calzaghe , maybe even put him down before calzaghe negates pavliks one two attack and starts picking him off with flurries, starting to dominate, then in the mid to late rounds, with calzaghe enjoying a solid points lead, pavlik would up the tempo again and find his mark, theres no escape for calzaghe this time and pavlik finishes him with some crunching uppercuts and straights pavlik TKO 9 Yes, I like the way you wrote that. :flirt:

my prediction pavlik would come out fast and hard, relentlessly throwing one-twos and coming forward pressuring calzaghe , cal would backtrack and go into a shell, he hasnt faced anyone with pavliks power and relentless attack before (except maybe lacy) pavlik would find his mark and wobble calzaghe , maybe even put him down before calzaghe negates pavliks one two attack and starts picking him off with flurries, starting to dominate, then in the mid to late rounds, with calzaghe enjoying a solid points lead, pavlik would up the tempo again and find his mark, theres no escape for calzaghe this time and pavlik finishes him with some crunching uppercuts and straights pavlik TKO 9 Good post. If I was JC I would take the fight with Jones and ride into the sunset with my fatass bank account. How much can the cost of living be in his small town in whales anyways?

What worldwide respected(a clear majority) fighter has Joe Calzaghe knocked out? lol why peter manfredo jr of course he went the distance with sergio mora and joe knocked him out. joe might have more power than sergio mora!

I think it'd be experience. Calzaghe has come up against more styles and been in more difficult situations than Pavlik. Calzaghe's resume isn't as great as it should be, but it has improved him as a fighter. I think Calzaghe would adapt to Pavlik's style after the first 4-5 rounds and win on points. Having said that, I can understand people picking Pavlik. Pavlik has responded top each style he's faced. He figured out Miranda and fought the perfect fight. Maybe he'll figure out Calzaghe too. You're cool! I understand what you mean about Calzaghe figuring out his opponents and winning on points in the 2nd half. However, I think that Pavlik learned and displayed in his rematch against Taylor, who has some bad boxing habits, that he has to be consistent throughout the fight and that would help him win against Calzaghe. From what I see, Calzaghe is not a KO artist because he tends to throw his punches with his arms and not with his legs. Everyone knows that the power comes from your legs. Pavlik follows through. Not to mention the fact that Calzaghe usually leaves himself open for upper cuts while he's throwing his flurries. He throws those flurries from his elbows. Once someone like Pavlik takes advantage of that, it's over. Personally, I'm not impressed with Calzaghe. Pavlik impresses me more when comparing the two.

I think it'd be experience. Calzaghe has come up against more styles and been in more difficult situations than Pavlik. Calzaghe's resume isn't as great as it should be, but it has improved him as a fighter. I think Calzaghe would adapt to Pavlik's style after the first 4-5 rounds and win on points. Having said that, I can understand people picking Pavlik. Pavlik has responded top each style he's faced. He figured out Miranda and fought the perfect fight. Maybe he'll figure out Calzaghe too. Couldn't give any K. Nice to see a Brit give a logical, non-screaming explanation to why they think JC would win a fight.

He took some big shots against Kessler, particularly in the first 4-5 rounds. Ditto against Robin Reid. Kessler punches harder than than Taylor, and Taylor had Pavlik hurt a lot worse than Kessler or anybody else has ever hurt Calzaghe. You refuse to believe that Calzaghe has a good chin based upon what you haven't seen, yet you rate Pavlik's chin even though he was badly hurt and knocked down by Taylor, who has never scored a KO at the highest level. What worldwide respected(a clear majority) fighter has Joe Calzaghe knocked out?

Your comment was that because he took Taylor's punches, he could beat Calzaghe. Considering that Calzaghe isn't a KO artist and relies upon speed rather than power, I don't see this as having any bearing on the result of the fight at all. If Pavlik did beat Calzaghe, his chin would not be the deciding factor. What would be the deciding factor?

one good punch and it's over. calzaghe looked shook everytime hopkins connected especially at the end of one round where the bell saved him from a knockdown.

So because Pavlik was only knocked down by Taylor (who has never won a title fight by KO), that means he could beat Calzaghe? Wow. Oh, you're talking about the same fight in which Pavlik got up from that knock down and proceeded to TKO Taylor in the 7th round? And then win by unanimous decision in the rematch 5 months later? Yes, that's one of the reasons why I think he will beat Calzaghe. Yes.

Being unbeaten doesn't mean you can't be beat, as any number of fighters will attest, but when a fighter has been unbeaten as a pro for fifteen years, ten of those as champion, its a pretty safe bet that he's VERY difficult to beat and the fighter who finally does it is going to need something that NOBODY else in all those years has ever had. A tough ask, by any standards, but by no means impossible. As for your previous post, yes Kelly took Jermain Taylor's shots, but beating Calzaghe isn't a matter of taking his shots, Joe no longer punches hard and hasn't KOd anyone in a while. Its about points. It will be very hard for a fighter like Pavlik to outpoint Calzaghe, as he will find Joe very hard to hit, and even harder to knock Joe out, because he has a genuinely excellent chin. Kelly's best chance of winning is if he is able to hit Calzaghe hard enough to sap his energy and will, and then basically bully him around the ring. Again, this is a hugely difficult ask, because Joe is an experienced and strong SMW who has now gone up to LHW and showed he could live there. Kelly right now is a MW, so his power relative to Joe is basically an unknown, and as I have said, the key to the outcome of this fight. FYI: Pavlik's undefeated, too. Not 15 years undefeated, but undefeated nonetheless. And Calzaghe's first 6 or 7 years of being undefeated aren't impressive to me when I look at the records of the people he fought, but that's just my lil' ol' opinion. It's hard to stay on your game when you're getting the crap knocked out of you. Flurries score points, but if the power punches are snapping your head back causing sweat and spit to fly and leaving your visibly stunned, then you might not score as many points with the flurries. Tarver tried that throw-flurries-to-score-points stuff against Hopkins and got beat. And at least twice I asked "when has Calzaghe's chin" been truly challenged and no reply. I can't find any fights that prove that Calzaghe's chin has been tested, so that whole "Calzaghe's got a chin" argument isn't going to work with me. Pavlik will pop him back....and I'm sticking with that until I see different. Bottom line, this fight isn't even made, but if they make the fight and it ends up playing out the way you state, then I'll gladly admit I am wrong. Until then I have my opinion about the way it will go down...and you clearly have yours.

You're kidding right? Nope, dead serious.

Or maybe a Pavlik destruction of Zags along the lines of this... :lol1: As of right now? I don't see anything in Zags arsenal that could keep Pavlik from walking him down in the later rounds, and stopping him. BUT, I could also see Zags boxing a great fight and winning a pretty convincing UD. It's not out of the realm of possibility for either of those things happening. Right now? I see Pavlik by late round stoppage.

Pavlik by brutal first round k.o. This would be the end result... You're kidding right?

I didn't know anyone was bitching. I thought we were commenting on the winner of a Pavlik vs. Calzaghe fight. That's considered bitching? I'm confused. I posted my opinion on why I think Pavlik would win against Calzaghe. It's not my fault that we don't see eye-to-eye on it. And I'm not repeating myself. If you didn't see my post, go back a few pages until you find it. Additionally, what does being undefeated have to do with anything? I'm confused again. So if someone is a title-holder and is undefeated at the time they hold the belts, they can't be beat? Being unbeaten doesn't mean you can't be beat, as any number of fighters will attest, but when a fighter has been unbeaten as a pro for fifteen years, ten of those as champion, its a pretty safe bet that he's VERY difficult to beat and the fighter who finally does it is going to need something that NOBODY else in all those years has ever had. A tough ask, by any standards, but by no means impossible. As for your previous post, yes Kelly took Jermain Taylor's shots, but beating Calzaghe isn't a matter of taking his shots, Joe no longer punches hard and hasn't KOd anyone in a while. Its about points. It will be very hard for a fighter like Pavlik to outpoint Calzaghe, as he will find Joe very hard to hit, and even harder to knock Joe out, because he has a genuinely excellent chin. Kelly's best chance of winning is if he is able to hit Calzaghe hard enough to sap his energy and will, and then basically bully him around the ring. Again, this is a hugely difficult ask, because Joe is an experienced and strong SMW who has now gone up to LHW and showed he could live there. Kelly right now is a MW, so his power relative to Joe is basically an unknown, and as I have said, the key to the outcome of this fight.

Pavlik by brutal first round k.o. This would be the end result...