I really like this fight and as a fight fan you have to like this match.Ive been thinking about how it will play out and trying not to be biased about it because im a Margarito fan.Ive come to the conclusion like most Margarito and Cotto fans that are reasonable about the fight that its a pickem fight.If your a fan of either guy there are many factors to worry about.Here's the things i think have to be looked at and let me know if there unreasonable or if i need to consider other factors.
Three fights i look at Cotto vs Ndou-Mosley and Margarito vs Clottey
When i was picking Mosley to win over Cotto i was telling people to look at the Ndou fight because Ndou was very durable and that let him pressure Cotto.In that fight Ndou stayed right on Cotto and Cotto couldnt break him down and he started to gas out and circle backward from the 8th round on.I figured The same thing would happen in a fight with Mosley because of Mosley's durability and it did from 8th round on but i underestimated Cotto in many areas.In that fight Cotto's chin and hand speed held up far greater than i thought and i gotta give him alot of credit there.I look at these two fights because pressure and durability are the two things Margarito is best known for and endurance of course.If your a Cotto fan you gotta worry about how this will play out after watching those two fights.Margarito will put on much more pressure than either of those guys Inflict much more damage and because of his insane endurance have more left in the tank when Cotto starts to tire out around the 7th-8th.If Cotto cant break him down enough or stop him then trying to get through the last 4-5 rounds could be brutal and absolute hell for Cotto.
Margarito had his hands full with Clottey and ate allot of fast crisp shots.Thats a fight you gotta look at because like Cotto Clottey has really good hand speed plus he throws very good accurate fluid hooks like Cotto.The thing you gotta be worried about there if your a Margarito fan is Cotto hits much harder than Clottey.He sucked up all of those shots from Clottey and kept coming but if Clottey hit like Cotto you gotta wonder if he would have gone down and if not what kind of accumulative effect would they have had on Margarito and would it have stopped his constant attack.If it was enough to break him down or back him off then hes a sitting duck for a guy with better boxing skills and fast hands plus you wouldn't have to worry about his attack in the later rounds as much if your abit tired.
The two punches that could win either guy the fight Margarito's lethal uppercuts and Cotto's sledge hammer hooks to the body
Those are each guys best punches and also the two punches each guy is really easy to hit with.Margarito Is a tall welter with a long torso and has a sub par defense.It wont be hard to land those hard body shots for Cotto.Cotto fights on the inside bending over some so he can throw body shots at will and come up with huge left hooks.He's going to be open for uppercuts while throwing body shots and bending down with his guard up high split some when not throwing on the inside.Neither guy is a big fan of holding and neither is shy about slugging on the inside so you can expect they will inflict allot of punishment on each other with these punches.Two other shots to watch out for are Margarito's looping right and Cotto's left hook up stairs.Clottey and others showed you can hit Margarito pretty easy with it and Mosley showed you can get to Cotto pretty well throwing curving right hands.
As even as i see this fight i wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see a ko for either guy before the 6th.Lets hope for a war and give the winner his props.
you made the smartest point in this entire thread when you said "Versatility is Cotto's key to victory". Using the jab picking his spots, hammering Margarito's body and boxing along with good movement will all be keys to Cotto winning this fight. If Cotto makes the mistake of thinking he can brawl with Tony he will be making a big mistake.
Thanks Bro! Appreciate it - new to the forum and there's some great discussion going on.
yeah cotto has improved a lot the past year if the fight was made last year i woulda bet all my points on margarito but after seeing him handle mosley i realized hes not just a brawler who depends on wearing his opponents down he can also box really well so now i have some doubts on the fight
id like to see if cotto can land his jab or will the reach difference be too much
cotto is still for a long night margarito its the superior natural welter in terms of size and u can never count him out
Margo's tenacity, stamina, and constant attack is going to make this is great, and tough fight no doubt. Downside for Margo is the height/reach won't be too much of a factor cause he fights small - doesn't' use his reach to his advantage - he likes it close so Cotto will have many opportunities to jab away. Gonna be a war
good post and if Cotto loses I agree that it'll play out what you've laid out - Tony's pressure, Cotto's fatigue, and a resulting mistake that Margo will capitalize on. I'm a Cotto fan but do respect Margo as a tough SOB and latino warrior, however, a couple of things that factor into the fight:
Cotto doesn't freak out when he's on the ropes - in fact, he's very skilled fighting off them, but Cotto needs to make Margo miss, stick him, and move away.
Cotto doesn't have the one punch right hand power and leverage that Cintron has - Cintron is not in the discussion when it comes to a body/inside attack - Cotto is devastating (so is Margo) but with speed, power and accuracy.
Cotto can't win just by jabbing and backing up the whole 12 - he's gonna have to dictate the distance with his jab - get in attack the body and get out, and use his speed - that has to happen throughout the fight. For me, Cotto's hand speed, versatility, and smarts - like you said, it's not secret what Margo is going to do. So the big question is, will Cotto have the solution? Versatility is Cotto's key to victory. Margo only has a plan A - what if it doesn't work?
This is gonna be a great fight.
you made the smartest point in this entire thread when you said "Versatility is Cotto's key to victory". Using the jab picking his spots, hammering Margarito's body and boxing along with good movement will all be keys to Cotto winning this fight. If Cotto makes the mistake of thinking he can brawl with Tony he will be making a big mistake.
lol margarito aint gonna get cut neither his body is gonna be destroyed
at the most cotto willl manage to slow him down but tony its not gonna get koed
just look at the shots he took from cintron who according to boxing scene is the hardest puncher on the welterweight division
he didnt even feel the punches and just kept pressing forward
these is how i see the fight playing out:
the first rounds marg will start slow and dont go all out cotto is gona use his jab to keep margarito at a distance on those rounds eventually margarito is gonna land a good punch and its gonna start throwing those wild uppercuts
2 things can happen here:
if cotto here tries to counter hes gonna get overwhelmed because margarito will keep throwing no matter what cotto connects and thats the chance margarito has to score a ko if he catches cotto against the ropes
if cotto clinches and goes backward and keeps using his jab and landing the usual combination he will get the decision
u know what u get when u fight margarito a pressure fighter who keeps coming forward no matter what u throw at him and can ko u easily if he overwhelms u against the ropes
now cotto power will not be a factor on this fight his speed is because if he uses it right hes gonna have a huge advantage over the slow margarito
the interrogant on the fight its whats gonna happen when margarito gets close to cotto will he try to counter and be overwhelmed or will he use his advantage in speed to make margarito miss?
good post and if Cotto loses I agree that it'll play out what you've laid out - Tony's pressure, Cotto's fatigue, and a resulting mistake that Margo will capitalize on. I'm a Cotto fan but do respect Margo as a tough SOB and latino warrior, however, a couple of things that factor into the fight:
Cotto doesn't freak out when he's on the ropes - in fact, he's very skilled fighting off them, but Cotto needs to make Margo miss, stick him, and move away.
Cotto doesn't have the one punch right hand power and leverage that Cintron has - Cintron is not in the discussion when it comes to a body/inside attack - Cotto is devastating (so is Margo) but with speed, power and accuracy.
Cotto can't win just by jabbing and backing up the whole 12 - he's gonna have to dictate the distance with his jab - get in attack the body and get out, and use his speed - that has to happen throughout the fight. For me, Cotto's hand speed, versatility, and smarts - like you said, it's not secret what Margo is going to do. So the big question is, will Cotto have the solution? Versatility is Cotto's key to victory. Margo only has a plan A - what if it doesn't work?
This is gonna be a great fight.
Fuck I can't believe this fight is happening.
It's exactly like being 8 years old and waking up on Christmas Morning.
I can't remember (outside of getting pussy) when I felt like this.
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Now that i think about the way Cotto fought last fight and what his game plan will be this fight i might change my mind about Margaritos right hand being more effective but i still think Cotto's body shots are his best weapon in this fight.I think he needs to go to work on the body to save himself from getting rolled over late.If Cotto doesn't linger on the inside then that right hand of Tonys will be his best weapon.
It's either a chopping one on the back/side of the head (We saw Cotto get flustured as hell with the chopping shots Corley threw) or the long extending right hand that You'd see Kyvelos absorbing in the first round of his fight against Tony himself. Thudding lead type punches.
I'll compromise here:
Yeah the left to the body of Cotto's should be key also.
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depends on what mosley i think margarito can give a better performance than the one mosley did against cotto in his prime mosley wouldnt have ate all those jabs by cotto
and yes its true margarito its easier to hit but cotto its gonna fight more defensively cuz margarito its a much offensive fighter
margarito has about a one on ten chance of getting koed if cintron couldnt even harm margarito in their match what makes u think cotto can?
u implying cotto punches harder than cintron?
Cotto is 100 times better than Cintron is!!!! Cotto is a bigger puncher and way smarter than Cintron is...... matter fact Cotto is a smarter boxer than Margarito is...you can talk all you want but when fight night comes u'll be eating all the shitt you be talking bout Cotto
In Cotto's case he's pretty much a complete different fighter than in Ndou fight, he was also fighting at 140 which took a lot out of him. In the Mosley fight, when he was backing up on last few rounds he was also getting the better of Mosley.
In Margarito vs Clottey we say what a good boxer puncher can do against Margarito. Clottey was blowing Margarito away and he would have kept doing the same, it he hadn't broken his hand. Margarito was able to withand the early punishment from Clottey, but if he takes the same kind of punishment from Cotto ít's going to be lights out for him.
The difference between Mosley and Margarito is that Margarito will not be able to hit Cotto as much as Mosley did. Margarito will take huge damage while inflicting verry little of his own. Cotto's going to stand for spots then move away, turn southpaw for while and confuse Margarito. Cotto is going to pummel him, his face will be a mess and his body basically destroyed. I just don't see this being a good fight for Margarito at all.
Cotto will take damage and Tony will get to him i believe.The only thing is in which half of the fight.He can box Tony silly for the first 6 but hes going to wear himself out with the amount of movement that would take to get away from Tonys pressure.Then the last 6 rounds you got a fatigued Cotto and a Margarito with alot of gas in the tank because he hasnt been able to throw much and then the punishment will begin.Or Cotto can fight him and box a little like he normally does and try to inflict some damage to slow Tony in the laters rounds but hes going to take some risk and damage doing so.The more Cotto hammers on the inside the better his chances of making it through the later rounds but he cant just stand in there.Cotto has to mix it up and box effective but come in side and try and do enough body work to save himself in the later rounds.I see Cotto taking it to Toney the first 6 then Tony putting it on Cotto after 6.I favor Cotto if it goes 12 but i think Toney has the better chance of a ko win.
this fight is only a toss u if cotto wants to trade punches with margarito. I doubt cotto does that and instead will employ movement and strategy and outbox margarito for 12 rounds. the scores will be lopsided like 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3 for Cotto.
In rounds 10 to 12, Cotto will put on his tracks shoes ala the mosley fight.
cotto power wasnt even a factor on the mosley fight i guess u predicted ko for cotto on that occasion as well
margarito chin is better than mosley and cotto couldnt even knockdown or put mosley in troubles cotto also landed those "sledge hammerbody shots" on that fight and they didnt had any effect at all
Margarito is going to get hit a hell of lot more than what Mosley did. And with much harder shots Margarito and Mosley are not in the same level.
Just the like the way he stopped Clottey, wait he never did stop Clottey he got lucky and won a decision. It's funny that you think Margarito can't be knocked out, everyone can and Cotto's going to be the man to do it. I've been watching Cotto's career since the very begining and Margarito is way over his head.
Great thread and all that.
But I think either guy's respective money punch will be either:
Cotto's jab (Yes against the taller Tony).
or Tony's right hand that closes the gap.
Cotto can keep Tony at the end of the jab if he uses it right, and Tony can put Cotto in a world of hurt at any point with that right.
Now that i think about the way Cotto fought last fight and what his game plan will be this fight i might change my mind about Margaritos right hand being more effective but i still think Cotto's body shots are his best weapon in this fight.I think he needs to go to work on the body to save himself from getting rolled over late.If Cotto doesn't linger on the inside then that right hand of Tonys will be his best weapon.
I agree witht he uppercut being Marg's best chance to win btw. Actually its more like the right and the uppercut.
See Cotto is a sucker for right hands, and when he evades them, he leaves himself wide open of an uppercut. Marg likes to throw those combinations and finish with uppercuts, so thats going to be tough for Cotto.
Well said.
I'd say the jab is Cotto's most important punch though, and probably from now on. Margarito is not the best outside fighter. He throws a somewhat weak measuring jab, and has a good long right hand, but other than that he's pretty limited in that area.
So even though Cotto is shorter and has a shorter reach, he can still control the fight at a distance. If he repeatedly hits Margarito with jabs, he can at least slow him down.
In Cotto's case he's pretty much a complete different fighter than in Ndou fight, he was also fighting at 140 which took a lot out of him. In the Mosley fight, when he was backing up on last few rounds he was also getting the better of Mosley.
In Margarito vs Clottey we say what a good boxer puncher can do against Margarito. Clottey was blowing Margarito away and he would have kept doing the same, it he hadn't broken his hand. Margarito was able to withand the early punishment from Clottey, but if he takes the same kind of punishment from Cotto ít's going to be lights out for him.
The difference between Mosley and Margarito is that Margarito will not be able to hit Cotto as much as Mosley did. Margarito will take huge damage while inflicting verry little of his own. Cotto's going to stand for spots then move away, turn southpaw for while and confuse Margarito. Cotto is going to pummel him, his face will be a mess and his body basically destroyed. I just don't see this being a good fight for Margarito at all.
Great thread and all that.
But I think either guy's respective money punch will be either:
Cotto's jab (Yes against the taller Tony).
or Tony's right hand that closes the gap.
Cotto can keep Tony at the end of the jab if he uses it right, and Tony can put Cotto in a world of hurt at any point with that right.
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I agree Cotto cant spend as much time on the inside as he has done in past fights.He needs to come in with stiff jabs throw hard 2-3 punch combos and move out.He needs to go to the body and lay off the head shots some because the head shots wont do much but the body shots are his best chance of a ko win and could save him from a all out attack in the later rounds while hes tired.
I couldnt agree with you more. Im a Cotto fan by the way, Margarito is a good fighter and he can take alot of damage and still fight. But Margarito has never fought someone like Cotto. Margarito likes to put preasure, but Cotto likes putting preasure too. Is going to be an interesting fight to watch but i dont know if Margarito is going to have what it takes to tko Cotto or win on any decision. It can be close if it goes to a decision but i think Margarito is going to be in trouble. I've been watching Cotto's fights ever since he started and let me tell you that he's become somthing else.... Margarito is getting into something deep here
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