First of all, i ain't a calzaghe hater and im not sexually obsessed with him either ...
Secondly, look at joes older fights, he was never a devastating puncher, but his technique was much better and he threw punches like a boxer should, only recently has he been throwing " slaps " .. i just want to know if people think this is because of the numerous hand injuries, or just down to the fact he cant punch for shit.
The last thing i want to say is everything else calzaghe does, is fucking amazing, his footwork, speed, accuracy, punch volume, boxing ability and pure athletic ability cant be disputed .. he just punches like a five year old and i think we need to clear it up ...
Honestly I dont think its either, I think he takes power off so that he can maintain his speed throughout the fight. you cant throw as many shots as joe does with pure power the entire 12 rounds you will run out of gas.
This has to be one of the funniest threads ever. There is a conglomeration of idiots making the most absurd claims to discredit Joe ranging from the petty (the WBO belt is worthless), to the ridiculous (someone claiming to have more ability than Calzaghe).
He is an unorthodox fighter and yes he tends to throw many of his shots without extending the elbow or rotating the wrist, he has done this for years but it has become more apparent since his hand problems began.
In the early days he set down more on his shots and had good power, he is now thinking more about career longevity especially with the amount of shots he throws, someone compared Mayweather's hand problems to Calzaghe's, OK but Mayweather's style and punch output is completely different.
If his technique is so poor then why does he continue to beat everyone?, also are we discussing if his technique is legal? If so has he ever been warned for slapping in any of his 45 fights? If so how many times?
Well if the consensus is that he slaps... then he's the best damn slapper in the world! Maybe best slapper of all time. ;)
i thought the thread was asking does he have bad punching technique did he slap before he had hand trouble not does he punch/slap hard
Believe me, there's nothing I've said about Joe I wouldn't say to his face. The dude is a great Super Middleweight, but that's as far as it goes. Being the best Super Middleweight in the history of boxing is like being the smartest kid with Down's syndrome...it's an accomplishment, but not really.
That's absurd. The 168 pound division is currently probably the deepest in boxing and one of the most accomplished. Welterweight and Lightweight has more talent in the top three guys but the average ability at 168 lbs is very high. If you want a weak division look at Junior Mid or Middleweight.
The thing is that Calzaghe throws about a million slaps but out of every two or three "he ain't got no power he throws pitty pat shots" there's one big body shot or hard left hand. Calzaghe is an unorthodox fighter but he's an effective one and he has real power. He used to be known as a big one-punch guy which he isn't any more but he is still a hard puncher through accumulation and he still has the ability to KO with single shots but it's a more risky proposition given his fragile hands.
First of all, i ain't a calzaghe hater and im not sexually obsessed with him either ...
Secondly, look at joes older fights, he was never a devastating puncher, but his technique was much better and he threw punches like a boxer should, only recently has he been throwing " slaps " .. i just want to know if people think this is because of the numerous hand injuries, or just down to the fact he cant punch for shit.
The last thing i want to say is everything else calzaghe does, is fucking amazing, his footwork, speed, accuracy, punch volume, boxing ability and pure athletic ability cant be disputed .. he just punches like a five year old and i think we need to clear it up ...
Calzaghe has always slapped even when he did'nt have hand trouble watch the Branco Sobot fight directlyl after the Eubank fight it is a masterclass of the girl flurry that he put on Manfredo Jnr
When faced with the evidence of a pro boxer being a the top level for 11 years, having never lost, knocked down Eubank, has some impressive KO's the does visible damage to even later opponents, it's dramatcially unlikely they cannot "punch properly".
A far more evidence based, logical reason is his damaged hands, he does sometimes hit with the palm ok, and does more so at certain times, particularly later in his career, it's clearly to not break his hands in the fight yet again, pretty hard but important thing to avoid doing for a boxer.
The extents some people will go to, to try and justify the previous explanation is quite ridiculous to the point of deserving no credit whatsoever. There's criticising Wales for building him upto something he isn't because of a lack of celebrities, lol, what a ludicrous and desperate comment further showing deep bias, by crediting any stupid point that may help your minority view point.
You then have a comparison of Joe Calzaghe being unbeaten in the SMW division for 11 years, probs the best in the division ever, to the smartest kid with down syndrome. One assumes your not serious but to go to such distasteful, extreme extents just demonstrates desperation in backing up your unlikely bias view point.
Not only because all evidence and odds are highly stacked against such a silly view a top p4p boxer cannot punch. Say he doesn't punch usually, as well as some others at the top maybe ok. But when you say he cannot punch at all, you underline even more your bias, and dismissive attitude of Joe Calzaghe.
None of the above. Joe slaps because he has a vagina.
This is a very disappointing post and not up to your usual standard; I'm not going to red you for it, its very clear if you bothered to watch his early fights that he could hit quite hard from Amateurs (ask Chris Byrd) onwards; there are very few people that have managed to put Eubank on his arse.
First of all, i ain't a calzaghe hater and im not sexually obsessed with him either ...
Secondly, look at joes older fights, he was never a devastating puncher, but his technique was much better and he threw punches like a boxer should, only recently has he been throwing " slaps " .. i just want to know if people think this is because of the numerous hand injuries, or just down to the fact he cant punch for shit.
The last thing i want to say is everything else calzaghe does, is fucking amazing, his footwork, speed, accuracy, punch volume, boxing ability and pure athletic ability cant be disputed .. he just punches like a five year old and i think we need to clear it up ...
I think the reason he slaps is because of his speed and rather use it to produce precise solid punches 2,3 or 4 at a time is somewhat skaps but lands 5,6 and 7 in a single flurry. His workrate wins over judges and keeps hte opponent on his heals......whether the punches hurt or not he gets stoppages simply by not giving his opponent a chane to fire back and from an accumilation over a long 12 round fight. Like him or not....what he does works....simple as that. He's 45-0 for christs sakes and has beaten pretty much all the top guys at 168 over the last decade. Roy and him should have fought years ago tho.
First of all, i ain't a calzaghe hater and im not sexually obsessed with him either ...
First of all, let's get this out of the way right now: I have sent naked pictures of myself to Joe Calzaghe. It's that Welshman's chin. Very alluring.
Secondly, look at joes older fights, he was never a devastating puncher, but his technique was much better and he threw punches like a boxer should, only recently has he been throwing " slaps " .. i just want to know if people think this is because of the numerous hand injuries, or just down to the fact he cant punch for shit.
You started this stanza by establishing, for the point of comparison, that Joe used to throw quality punches, with much better technique. That right there answers at least part of the question, that he does, in fact, know how to punch. Beyond that, you could maybe make the assertion that he's forgotten how to punch, but I doubt it. His best punch in the Hopkins fight was a quick, crisp, straight left hand. Not to mention the circumstantial evidence - undefeated pro, xx number of successful title defenses, P4P ranking - stuff for which you generally have to be at least somewhat proficient in punching (the heart of boxing) to achieve.
It's been quite well known that Calzaghe had to alter his punching style to protect his hands, and it's plain to see for anyone who's seen him fight. He wears those Grant gloves to further reinforce this aspect of his game. I'm not sure how this point is really in contention. But there are a couple of points to consider: Firstly, whatever he's doing now works, at least in terms of effectiveness. He bludgeoned Lacy and clearly hurt Kessler. There's at least something behind those "slaps". Secondly, the notion presented by the thread's question is somewhat flawed. Just because one is "slapping" in an effort to protect one's hands, it doesn't mean one isn't employing poor punching technique. It need not be an "either/or" situation. "Slapping" is poor technique. It just happens to be, unfortunately, necessary in Calzaghe's case.
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WOW.
Is this your whole life? Does everything evolve around boxingscene.com or what? I mean, what a marvellous achievement! Being respected on a website full of teenagers! HOLY FUCKING SHITCAKES BATMAN!
Goodbye. I have nothing else to say.
You could have stopped sooner, but I'll take it.
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