The greatest British fighter P4P ever, Calzaghe or Lewis?

He was born there in Britain, and as a non-Brit I do consider him a British fighter. But I've also corresponded with some British fans/historians who don't really consider him to be a true British fighter because of him leaving that country at such a young age, and going to New Zealand to be raised and later Australia to learn his craft as a fighter. I've also came across opinions of British writers, such as Harry Mullan, who share that similiar view and said something along the lines that Fitzsimmons' only link to Britain was "an accident of birth" or something very similiar. Like I said, I think of him as being British, but apparently that is not a unanimous view shared by those to judge that best, which is the Brits themselves. P.S. Enjoy the book. appreciate your thoughts,and the book is excellent.

why would we not condsider him our own,he was a cornishman was he not?? He was born there in Britain, and as a non-Brit I do consider him a British fighter. But I've also corresponded with some British fans/historians who don't really consider him to be a true British fighter because of him leaving that country at such a young age, and going to New Zealand to be raised and later Australia to learn his craft as a fighter. I've also came across opinions of British writers, such as Harry Mullan, who share that similiar view and said something along the lines that Fitzsimmons' only link to Britain was "an accident of birth" or something very similiar. Like I said, I think of him as being British, but apparently that is not a unanimous view shared by those to judge that best, which is the Brits themselves. P.S. Enjoy the book.

Now that somebody ask though a poll, I say lennox lewis for the simple reason that he demolished a better opposition. All I see in calz resume' are lacy and hopkins and hopkins was a fight that made calz looked bad.

Along with the likes of 'Kid' Lewis and Wilde, that's a good choice if the British think of him as one of their own. "Fitz was far and away the best fighting man, pound for pound, the game ever produced. Pound for pound he never had his equal." That partically quote was from what many back then considered the greatest sportswriter of the early 20th century, Grantland Rice, and was published in, amongst other places, the Lima Daily News on Jan 1st, 1918. An opininion based comment, no doubt, but it just goes to show what some of the respected sports writers of the day thought of him as a fighter after his days were over (Fitz died a few months before that quote was given), but if anybody was to look over the archives at such sights as the Brooklyn Daily Eagle and researched Fitz and his fights, those are opinions that were shared by many from even his fighting days. Also take note of the date of 1918, and next time someone tries to pass on the myth that the "pound for pound" term was somehow invented or coined for Robinson, well, don't believe it because it's a completely false statement, as in addition to that Fitzsimmons reference (and many between references to fighters in between those eras where the term was used...Canzoneri, McLarnin, Ross, Armstrong, Kid Chocolate, etc., etc.) I've found articles dating back to about a dozen years before 1918 where the term was used in correlation with certain fighters like Gans and Ketchel, and have also found the term to be in existence in other industries such as farming, shipping, usually in comparing goods, and those go back to nearly 100 years before Robinson's time. why would we not condsider him our own,he was a cornishman was he not?? im curently reading his bio,,what a fighter man! without doubt the greatest lightheavyweight ever and could certainly be considered an aLl time great AT HW and MW too,the first man to win 3 belts in 3 weights and the man who coined the phrase "the bigger they are the harder they fall" he was simply one of a kind,blessed with a natural talent that few could equal the freckle faced miner who conquered the world.

bob fitszimmons..... Along with the likes of 'Kid' Lewis and Wilde, that's a good choice if the British think of him as one of their own. "Fitz was far and away the best fighting man, pound for pound, the game ever produced. Pound for pound he never had his equal." That partically quote was from what many back then considered the greatest sportswriter of the early 20th century, Grantland Rice, and was published in, amongst other places, the Lima Daily News on Jan 1st, 1918. An opininion based comment, no doubt, but it just goes to show what some of the respected sports writers of the day thought of him as a fighter after his days were over (Fitz died a few months before that quote was given), but if anybody was to look over the archives at such sights as the Brooklyn Daily Eagle and researched Fitz and his fights, those are opinions that were shared by many from even his fighting days. Also take note of the date of 1918, and next time someone tries to pass on the myth that the "pound for pound" term was somehow invented or coined for Robinson, well, don't believe it because it's a completely false statement, as in addition to that Fitzsimmons reference (and many between references to fighters in between those eras where the term was used...Canzoneri, McLarnin, Ross, Armstrong, Kid Chocolate, etc., etc.) I've found articles dating back to about a dozen years before 1918 where the term was used in correlation with certain fighters like Gans and Ketchel, and have also found the term to be in existence in other industries such as farming, shipping, usually in comparing goods, and those go back to nearly 100 years before Robinson's time.

Lewis for me. Of all time, I don't know enough about Wilde and Fitzsimmons to choose them to be honest.

why wud lewis be a p4p fighter? he only fought in the heavywieght division lol. P4P includes heavyweights you fool. Like if you were comparing McGuigan versus Lewis P4P, you could imagine McGuigan as a heavyweight, or Lewis as a featherweight or both somewhere in between.

now heres a boy who knows his boxing...fitz for me for what its worth 1.fitz(in my opinion the 2nd greatest p4p fighter in history,currently reading his bio...) 2.wilde 3.kid lewis 4.calzaghe 5.buchanan 6.mcguigan(i consider him british) 7.hatton 8.hamed 9.conteh i want to put lewis but would u consider him british, i thought he was canadian?? When will people stop with this canadian rubbish. Born in Britain and held a british passport. Parents split and his mum moved to canada when he was 11 or 12, he's not gonna stay here all by himself. So he boxed for canada in the amatuers, he's not gonna travel to the uk and fight there as it's not viable. It's not until he turns pro and is being paid that he can return to the uk and fight where he considers his real home. British with Jamaican heritage and a soft spot for canada his adopted country.

My top 10. #1 Joe Calzaghe #2. Jimmy Wilde #3. Bob Fitzsimmons #4. Lennox Lewis #5. Ken Buchannan #6. Freddy Welsh #7. Ted "kid" Lewis #8. Chris Eubank #9. Nigel Benn #10 John Conteh now heres a boy who knows his boxing...fitz for me for what its worth 1.fitz(in my opinion the 2nd greatest p4p fighter in history,currently reading his bio...) 2.wilde 3.kid lewis 4.calzaghe 5.buchanan 6.mcguigan(i consider him british) 7.hatton 8.hamed 9.conteh i want to put lewis but would u consider him british, i thought he was canadian??

why wud lewis be a p4p fighter? he only fought in the heavywieght division lol.

Ottke is a bit different, you'd have to kill him to get a draw in Germany. I'd say Calzaghe, especially if it's p4p

In his weight division Calzaghe beat every single fighter that he ever fought and became the undisputed world champion. He even went up to a totally new weight division when he was past his best (admittedly Hopkins was too) and became the World Champ in that weight division. The London-born twelve year World Champion has not done so bad. but he fought in the supermiddleweight division aka runawayville. sven ottke was undefeated there too so that's not saying much.

bob fitszimmons.....

Let's clear this up once and for all who is britains greatest p4per ever. Give me a minute to add the poll. calzaghe, easy.....

In his weight division Calzaghe beat every single fighter that he ever fought and became the undisputed world champion. He even went up to a totally new weight division when he was past his best (admittedly Hopkins was too) and became the World Champ in that weight division. The London-born twelve year World Champion has not done so bad.

Back in the 90's the heavyweight division was much more popular and the top ten were all 'names'. So Lewis's record seems much better. Calzaghe's reign in the super middleweight division was after Jones, Toney, Benn, Eubank and Collins. I dont think their were many 'names' to fight. He needed to do what hes doing know years ago. He could have fought Hopkins and Jones back then. I think its a close call. But Lewis did fight EVERYONE. (almost) Joe needs Pavlik. And a time machine. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

Back in the 90's the heavyweight division was much more popular and the top ten were all 'names'. So Lewis's record seems much better. Calzaghe's reign in the super middleweight division was after Jones, Toney, Benn, Eubank and Collins. I dont think their were many 'names' to fight. He needed to do what hes doing know years ago. He could have fought Hopkins and Jones back then. I think its a close call. But Lewis did fight EVERYONE. (almost) Joe needs Pavlik. And a time machine.

Joe hasn't lost yet and Lennox Lewis resume is no worse and no better then Calzaghes. Actually, Calzaghes resume may be slightly better because I'm pretty sure his resume consists of more ex-champions then Lewis's resume. Very true sir.

You've justified your inclusion on the Calzaghe nuthugging list. His moved up a few places after that post. he's now P4P#4, one for the future and could push _Ricky_ for the #1 spot.

Lennox is a far superior fighter to Joe.