Prime Calzaghe had a lot of power while Prime Hopkins had greater stamina than he has today but he was a come forward fighter instead of fighting on the ropes as he does today (much easier for Calzaghe). Hopkins in his prime also wouldn't have experienced fighters like Tarver and Winky in preparation for Calzaghe, this fight for me is a no brainer.
I guess this would have to be @ 168.
I think Calzaghe would win a UD similar to yesterday in a fight far more entertaining.
oh...so he would be in the middle of his prime in the Mitchell fight then. personally, I think he looked his best against Kessler.
honestly, I was kind of surprised that Hopkins didnt headbutt more. he didnt do it near as dangerously as I had thought he would. I thought he was going to split Calzaghes eye open like he did to Winky, especially cause Calzaghe seemed unnerved by it when it happened against Bika.
Hopkins was actually not as bad a fouler as he usually was. thank goodness.
It's difficult, I'm not even sure.
I was watching Joe Calzaghe vs Charles Brewer and I thought the Joe that fought Kessler would rape that Joe.
The Joe that was fighting yeah Mitchell, Mgertchain and Veit would have given himself all he could handle, his superior punching power would clinch the fight against himself....
I guess the only one who knows the answer to this question is Calzaghe. I thought that Mitchell punch was a great punch, and it's not like Joe isn't still open for it. The difference now is Joe has more composure but whether that carries greater significance that much better punching power is difficult.
i think the Hopkins that beat Trinidad would have beaten any version of Calzaghe ,that version of Hopkins would have done exactly the same things he did against Calzaghe the other night and but would have been able to sustain it throughout and not fade in the middle rounds
He did try other cheating tactics lets not forget though. I think people and the ref, were too aware of the butt, hence him trying low blow claims, delaying so he can catch his breath, fighting after the bell and more.
Kicking the crap out of Mario Veit, Tocker Pudding, Mger Mgertchian unfortunetely. He did hit harder then no doubt, it's not just that these guys were arse.
oh...so he would be in the middle of his prime in the Mitchell fight then. personally, I think he looked his best against Kessler.
offensively, I think eubank has and will always be the tougher fighter offensively for joe. Though Hopkins will always have his head and his annoying clinches.honestly, I was kind of surprised that Hopkins didnt headbutt more. he didnt do it near as dangerously as I had thought he would. I thought he was going to split Calzaghes eye open like he did to Winky, especially cause Calzaghe seemed unnerved by it when it happened against Bika.
Hopkins was actually not as bad a fouler as he usually was. thank goodness.
offensively, I think eubank has and will always be the tougher fighter offensively for joe. Though Hopkins will always have his head and his annoying clinches.
When were there primes though? I think if you take them both at early thirtie, Calzaghe still wins because his hands we slightly less fragile, and if anything quicker hands, whilst Hops didn't have the supreme defence he has now that was his best weapon against Joe.
So Joe by UD.
thats a good point, Bernard did fight on the backfoot in that fight and was very effective, yet at the same time had a higher workrate and was getting more done each following round.
When was Calzaghe's prime to you? most people would say that he is only about a year away from his prime if even that, because he looked the best in his career against Kessler and Lacy. just because he hit harder earlier in his career doesnt mean he was a more effective fighter...I have a hard time believing that the Joe that struggled with Reid or the Joe that got dropped by Mitchell was in his prime.
Kicking the crap out of Mario Veit, Tocker Pudding, Mger Mgertchian unfortunetely. He did hit harder then no doubt, it's not just that these guys were arse.
Bernard would win.
the prime Bernard is, in my opinion, the one who fought Felix Trinidad ( i love that fight!!). Bernard would also fight with his back on the ropes but would be a faster and more effective counter puncher!
thats a good point, Bernard did fight on the backfoot in that fight and was very effective, yet at the same time had a higher workrate and was getting more done each following round.
When was Calzaghe's prime to you? most people would say that he is only about a year away from his prime if even that, because he looked the best in his career against Kessler and Lacy. just because he hit harder earlier in his career doesnt mean he was a more effective fighter...I have a hard time believing that the Joe that struggled with Reid or the Joe that got dropped by Mitchell was in his prime.
Prime Calzaghe had a lot of power while Prime Hopkins had greater stamina than he has today but he was a come forward fighter instead of fighting on the ropes as he does today (much easier for Calzaghe). Hopkins in his prime also wouldn't have experienced fighters like Tarver and Winky in preparation for Calzaghe, this fight for me is a no brainer.
I guess this would have to be @ 168.
I think Calzaghe would win a UD similar to yesterday in a fight far more entertaining.
i think prime bernard wins to be honest with you.
joe beat bernard with activity. bernard is a very ugly fighter. he was more exciting when he was younger but no barnburner either. i think a young bernard can ko joe. he got knocked down in the 1st round by a 43-yr. old bernard. in his 20's bernard would be stronger and have more stamina. i think joe gets caught with a punch he doesn't see.
i don't know how much more power joe had before the hand injuries but i don't think it'd matter. bernard has a very durable chin and you can't ko him with one or two punches and as you saw yesterday with all the grabbing and rough housing joe just wouldn't be able to put a big combination together to ko nard. once joe lands a punch or two bernard will start hugging or shouldering him off or turning him.
Bernard would win.
the prime Bernard is, in my opinion, the one who fought Felix Trinidad ( i love that fight!!). Bernard would also fight with his back on the ropes but would be a faster and more effective counter puncher!
I don't see how he can beat Calzaghe tbh. Each to thier own though.
Bernard would win.
the prime Bernard is, in my opinion, the one who fought Felix Trinidad ( i love that fight!!). Bernard would also fight with his back on the ropes but would be a faster and more effective counter puncher!
I see it like this, 160 was Hopkins' territory, 168 was Calzaghe's and 175 was Jones'.
If Hopkins moved up to fight Joe, he would lose. Same with Calzaghe if he went to 175 to fight Roy.
it would be a decent fight but i reckon bernard would proabably be the aggressor more and maybe wed see more of joe as the counter puncher.
still think joes speed would be a bit too much for hopkins
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