http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/boxeo/deportes/dara_una_gran_pelea/389662
Here is the translation:
"I don't like to talk about Mayweather, because he has yet to face a true welter, and I don't know if he ever will. On the other hand, Cotto faced the best at 140 and is now facing the best at 147. That's why he's my favorite."
On Cotto-Gómez:
"He needs to stay active, and you have to remember that he closed 2007 with two very big, difficult fights, so he needs an easier fight, at least on paper. That's not wrong, and it's not something that will stop his momentum or affect his legacy. It will not be a bad fight. Cotto has to keep himself busy and the pressure is on him, since he's the big favorite"
On Cotto:
"He's my favorite boxer right now."
When it happened the 1st time, very high. Hatton had a lot of things in his style which gave him a great chance. He made PBF fight as I predicted, but againts PBF many of his nice assets (coming with angles, lateral movement, a varied array of punches) were nowhere to be seen.
As it is now, after PBF outhattoned Ricky on the inside, there is not much of a point. Cotto is a much more interesting fight in terms of outcome, but the Hatton rematch is still going to be very eventful for a PBF fight.
I only asked b/c you seemed to think that mosley wasn't a top welterweight, yet mosley dominated a guy that hatton was lucky leave the ring with a W against. If you want to discredit cotto's victory over mosley, then it's hard to justify floyd even stepping in the ring with hatton, imo..
”Gomez is a tougher fight than Hatton“ discredits you enough.
the triangular argument above puts your stock down even further... try again
the triangular theory as you call it was because someone said that cotto had not fought any of the top ww margarito,cintron and williams but quintanna beat williams
Cotto faced much more credible opposition at 140. PBF faced Gatti, Bruseles, and Corely at 140. Anyway, I think that if anyone knows boxing it is Steward. His voice holds more credit than anyone on this forum. Mayweather is scared, Cotto is a beast. PBF will avoid COtto as long as he can.
would Hatton have stopped Gatti at 147? can Hatton beat Manfredo at 154?
yes
yes EDIT: I have to think longer about this one, but only because Mandredo is so much bigger than Hatto., Manfredo is shit though, he is really not world class.
are you serious or just typing randomly on your keyboard?
point is you are giving Floyd credit for fighting a part time fighter. who had ONE fight in three years and only fights once a year. go away you lose :fu2:
You are giving credit to Cotto for fighting a fighter who did not win a title fight since 2003, and it was controversial, before that you have to go to 2001.
You should consider stopping spamming the boards with crap like that.
You have to understand that both Mosley and De La Hoya are respectable opponents, and quit whining your bias all day long...
point is you are giving Floyd credit for fighting a part time fighter. who had ONE fight in three years and only fights once a year. go away you lose :fu2:
You don't think that the Oscar that lost to Floyd would've beat most of the top guys out there? There are only three people at 147 or 154 whom I would've picked to beat Oscar: Cotto, Vernon Forrest, and Mayweather. Everyone else at those weight classes was an underdog to De La Hoya.
Just because you thought Floyd was a superior fighter doesn't mean he shouldn't get credit for it. If a guy ranked #1 fights the guy ranked #2 and wins, do you not give him credit for beating a tough opponent? Oscar was ranked in the top 5 at Jr. Middle by everyone. It's still a tough challenge, regardless of the layoff time.
Tu te crees que yo no sabia eso?
Of course I knew that. Even though it was a combination of factors, had it been Miguel Cotto today and Sila were still in power, there would be no holiday.
And there is no denying the multitude of people that came out for the Tito parade when he first announced his retirement. You remember how crazy that shit was by the Hiram Bithorn?
No sabía que sabías. I read your arguments, but forgot to read the nick.
And no, there is no fight today that Cotto could make that would generate that kind of buzz here in the island, not even Mayweather. That was a prime, undefeated, Mexican and Latin American celebrity Oscar de la Hoya defeated by a Puertorican that speaks Spanish like Joel Casamayor. Even if Sila was still in power.
I won't try to speak for the whole Puerto Rico, but at least in my family, everybody knows who Oscar de la Hoya is, and of course, everybody also knows who Tito and Cotto are.
Thinking about it... there is one fight that would generate more attention in Puerto Rico than Tito/DLH, and that would be Tito/Cotto.
gomez is a toughr fight than hatton ,williams lost to quintanna and prior to that cotto beat the shit out of quintanna
”Gomez is a tougher fight than Hatton“ discredits you enough.
the triangular argument above puts your stock down even further... try again
Who cares if Mayweather fight Cotto
Cotto is alredy the best fighter today, Floyd is a creation of the media a paper champion, he is not what people beleive he is.if you look at his record he only fought weak figters, DLH is an old man in boxitical terms, hatton was a lucky punch. he is running away from real figters. he want to fight only those he knows he can defeat. s not worthy to fight somebody that do not value the philosophy of being a good figter. real champions, do not run away from real challenges. Boxers like,Chavez,Ali, Lewis,Duran, Marciano and Cotto.
Floyd Mayweather is just a creation of the media.a plastic champion, he do not have the spirit of a boxer but a bussinesman, even his nick name reveal that. is a shame to call Mayweather the Best Pound/pound Boxer when he is not.:sad6:
I wouldn't call someone who started his career at 130 a natural welterweight. Besides, DLH is way past his prime. You think Mosley sucks? He beat DLH twice, has more significant wins in his last 5 years than DLH, and they're the same age.
Which welters are better than Mosley right now?
Educate yourself...
YOU are telling ME to educate myself on boxing...
LOL
Oscar is a natural welterweight, obviously you dont know the story of his 130-135 venture, or you would shut the hell up.
Having seen Oscar-Shane 2 would have also prompted you not post this typr pf bullshit.
The young titleholders might be better than Shane, just as they might be better than Oscar.
Now go and watch some fights. Run a few miles to take out your silly aggression while you are at it.
what was your opinion on the worthiness of hatton as a mayweather opponent?
When it happened the 1st time, very high. Hatton had a lot of things in his style which gave him a great chance. He made PBF fight as I predicted, but againts PBF many of his nice assets (coming with angles, lateral movement, a varied array of punches) were nowhere to be seen.
As it is now, after PBF outhattoned Ricky on the inside, there is not much of a point. Cotto is a much more interesting fight in terms of outcome, but the Hatton rematch is still going to be very eventful for a PBF fight.
Tito got the parade not only because he defeated the most popular fighter in Latin America, but because Puerto Rico had just won the Miss Universe Pageant, and the governor at that time, Sila María Calderón, was very good at media stunts. Today, after people realized what she was about, she is the one that doesn't receive much love. In fact, police had escort her out of the most popular shopping mall in Puerto Rico because people were starting to mob her.
Tu te crees que yo no sabia eso?
Of course I knew that. Even though it was a combination of factors, had it been Miguel Cotto today and Sila were still in power, there would be no holiday.
And there is no denying the multitude of people that came out for the Tito parade when he first announced his retirement. You remember how crazy that shit was by the Hiram Bithorn?
Tito defines that puerto rican passion, Cotto is quite the opposite in his demeanor. Even during the Jones-Trinidad fight, there were interviews with Puerto Rican fans saying that Trinidad is more beloved than Cotto. It doesnt mean much, but if youre saying Cotto gets the same love Trinidad did then that has to be false.
Trinidad is more loved in Puerto Rico, up to this point in history, than Miguel Cotto. No arguing about that, what I'm saying is that there was much more about the parade than "Tito love". This was a government publicity stunt to cash in on both Puerto Rican triumphs and make people forget the sorry state of affairs in the island.
And, for arguments sake, specially about "Puerto Rican passion", history is not going to hit Trinidad and his dad softly, it will hit him harder than Hopkins, specially the comments about Cotto (he's the prince, but I'm the king), Ruiz (he's not a real Puertorican, I'm a the real Puertorican), suppossed humbleness, and the little known fact that he supported a pro-Puertorican-statehood politican in the early nineties, along with Alex "El Nene" Sánchez.
Tito got the parade not only because he defeated the most popular fighter in Latin America, but because Puerto Rico had just won the Miss Universe Pageant, and the governor at that time, Sila María Calderón, was very good at media stunts. Today, after people realized what she was about, she is the one that doesn't receive much love. In fact, police had escort her out of the most popular shopping mall in Puerto Rico because people were starting to mob her.
Tito defines that puerto rican passion, Cotto is quite the opposite in his demeanor. Even during the Jones-Trinidad fight, there were interviews with Puerto Rican fans saying that Trinidad is more beloved than Cotto. It doesnt mean much, but if youre saying Cotto gets the same love Trinidad did then that has to be false.
I thought I presented Cotto's career in the last 2 years...
oh wait
You saying that Cotto did NOT fight the best at 147 so far, but he is going to start do it after Gomez? I agree with that.
gomez is a toughr fight than hatton ,williams lost to quintanna and prior to that cotto beat the shit out of quintanna
Yes, the unifying factor will increase it somewhat, but how much? With a 24/7 by HBO, and constant publicity, this fight *might* get up to 700,000 buys. That's still 800,000 less than what Mayweather-Hatton pulled in worldwide. This would probably be a $13M payday for Floyd, and Cotto would make between $8-9M. Do you really think Floyd will take the fight for $13M? I don't know. After making as much as he did last year, on two fights alone, he's probably only looking for the huge paydays (like a rematch with Oscar). I believe I read on ESPN that Mayweather made almost $60M on his two fights last year. That's huge money! I don't think Floyd would get out of bed for less than $20M.
As for Tito, he's always had more of a following in PR and NY than Cotto. When was the last time you saw the governor declare a national holiday after a Cotto win? Tito got one after the Oscar victory. Also, his first retirement parade drew close to 1 million people out to the streets. Cotto doesn't get that kind of love.
I do know America.
Just because ESPN touts a match doesn't mean the public will be out there ready to purchase it. Hatton was well known here and a big deal was made when he fought Castillo so that more Americans would pay attention to him.
You say it will easily match the buys PBF-Hatton did but I doubt 650,000 people in the UK will be buying this fight. Even if it matches the US sales, there is not enough money to give Floyd $20M and keep Miguel happy.
Does Floyd make any of the money from the PPV buys in the UK?
I watched The World Awaits with about 15 people, and nobody knew who either guy was. They just watched it because it was "the thing to do" that weekend. ESPN says watch this big fight its important. Pople see that, word spreads, "hey I hear there is a big fight going on this weekend" and so on.
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