If B-Hop even gets CLOSE...:

im grasping at the fact that in almost any stage when he has faught bigger guys he beat them or came close to it. im also stateing that no one has beaten him to bad and you know i am right. You just tryed to break it down in every way to make it seem that he has nothing, and i have shown you that he has always been trooble for people and thats not going to change. I dont know who will win but i can ssay it will be a MD or SDI'm done trying to explain everything to you, you just don't get it.

I don't really follow the logic of the original poster. Boxing has far too many variables to be making those kind of assumptions.

Trust me mate.. that arena will sound more like it's back in Wales than it will B-Hops home turf. And IMO B-Hop being 43 years old is going to be a big factor than sea level. Back when Hop fought Taylor he was lucky to throw 10 punches a round, This is a couple years later verse a naturally larger opponent. Age will cause Hop to be less effective. I'm not saying Calzaghe deserves no credit for beating him and I'm not saying he has to smash B-Hop. But if he wins a close to decision.. I myself will believe that a Hop from a few years ago would have won it. This is the sort of fight that may come down to a few key shots, and if Hop's endurance and reflexes are effected it's going to be a major factor. yeah and if Calzaghe wins a close decision that would make be believe Calzaghe would beat him easily in Europe at 168,prime or not.Americans never win in UK and its nothing to do with cheering crowds and more to do with multiple factors leading up to the fight.

Yeah there is something to be learnt here in this fight definitely. I also agree that we will learn more about calzaghe than hopkins, but im not sure you can jump to the conclusion that hopkins would have beaten him, if calzaghe doesnt win convincingly because: 1. We haven't seen the fight or its context, things out of the ordinary happening, ie, cuts unexpected knockdowns etc. 2. I think someone mentioned it previously that hopkins is, even now, very hard to beat more and even harder to look good against. Although I can totally see where your coming from. I do think calzaghe should be given a hell of a lot of credit though if he does beat him convincingly as jermain taylor really didn't and arguably even lost. I can't see it though, I think it will be close like you with calzaghe maybe just pulling slightly ahead in the last 3 or 4 rounds I do agree!

Who, that has beaten Hopkins, has ever done it convincingly? Hopkins style makes it impossible to win a fight convincingly.

Eh, I think now you're just grasping at straws, but w/e let's just drop it this is going nowhere. im grasping at the fact that in almost any stage when he has faught bigger guys he beat them or came close to it. im also stateing that no one has beaten him to bad and you know i am right. You just tryed to break it down in every way to make it seem that he has nothing, and i have shown you that he has always been trooble for people and thats not going to change. I dont know who will win but i can ssay it will be a MD or SD

This is possible also, ultimately we will never know about these two together in their primes. But it is very possible that whoever wins it will be possible to determine something other than simply who got the "w." Yeah there is something to be learnt here in this fight definitely. I also agree that we will learn more about calzaghe than hopkins, but im not sure you can jump to the conclusion that hopkins would have beaten him, if calzaghe doesnt win convincingly because: 1. We haven't seen the fight or its context, things out of the ordinary happening, ie, cuts unexpected knockdowns etc. 2. I think someone mentioned it previously that hopkins is, even now, very hard to beat more and even harder to look good against. Although I can totally see where your coming from. I do think calzaghe should be given a hell of a lot of credit though if he does beat him convincingly as jermain taylor really didn't and arguably even lost. I can't see it though, I think it will be close like you with calzaghe maybe just pulling slightly ahead in the last 3 or 4 rounds

Agreed, missed Echols in his list, I said Allen was the only decent guy in that list, the other fighters were garbage though, and even Allen and Ant don't compare to Calzaghe. Well let's be honest here, no one on Joe's resume (his size) is good as Bernard, other then Kessler. Though if you said other then Tarver I can say other then Kessler. :)

i never said the guys he beat were big names. but yet again he was not a big name him self when he faught those guys. Eh, I think now you're just grasping at straws, but w/e let's just drop it this is going nowhere.

I think calzaghe would have given hopkins big problems when they were both at there peak, and I expect him to give him even bigger problems april 19th. You never know till the fight happens, people might say after the fight that calzaghe would have had the style to upset hopkins even in his prime, maybe you may come to the conclusion after watching april 19th that hopkins would have beat calzaghe up in his prime. In my opinion calzaghe would have been competitive in any era of middleweights and lightheavy's from over the years. But thats a whole different argument, but I wouldn't put him above hopkins in terms of history, never ever, I think hopkins is the better fighter, but sometimes the better fighter doesn't win and people just have the style to beat you. This is possible also, ultimately we will never know about these two together in their primes. But it is very possible that whoever wins it will be possible to determine something other than simply who got the "w."

Yeha right mate....and if Hopkins cannot beat Calzaghe when he has the home advantage,fighting at a sea level Calzaghe has never fought and fighting at a weight Calzaghe has never fought than how the hell would he ever beat Calzaghe in his prime without those advantages. Trust me mate.. that arena will sound more like it's back in Wales than it will B-Hops home turf. And IMO B-Hop being 43 years old is going to be a big factor than sea level. Back when Hop fought Taylor he was lucky to throw 10 punches a round, This is a couple years later verse a naturally larger opponent. Age will cause Hop to be less effective. I'm not saying Calzaghe deserves no credit for beating him and I'm not saying he has to smash B-Hop. But if he wins a close to decision.. I myself will believe that a Hop from a few years ago would have won it. This is the sort of fight that may come down to a few key shots, and if Hop's endurance and reflexes are effected it's going to be a major factor.

Yea I asked you to, I expected you to automatically know that I meant 4 or 5 guys WORTH MENTIONING... If you're gonna prove something between two world class fighters, you don't use fighters with 1-1 records and 15-17 records to prove your point... i never said the guys he beat were big names. but yet again he was not a big name him self when he faught those guys.

I think calzaghe would have given hopkins big problems when they were both at there peak, and I expect him to give him even bigger problems april 19th. You never know till the fight happens, people might say after the fight that calzaghe would have had the style to upset hopkins even in his prime, maybe you may come to the conclusion after watching april 19th that hopkins would have beat calzaghe up in his prime. In my opinion calzaghe would have been competitive in any era of middleweights and lightheavy's from over the years. But thats a whole different argument, but I wouldn't put him above hopkins in terms of history, never ever, I think hopkins is the better fighter, but sometimes the better fighter doesn't win and people just have the style to beat you.

because you asked me to!!!!!Yea I asked you to, I expected you to automatically know that I meant 4 or 5 guys WORTH MENTIONING... If you're gonna prove something between two world class fighters, you don't use fighters with 1-1 records and 15-17 records to prove your point...

Heh. Yeah people are special around here. I agree with you. Calzaghe should win, and should win by 3-4 rounds. Anything else, and we will have to assume that Bernard the Toothless would have won 3-4 years ago. thankyou, i'm not trying to say who's wrong or right, i'm just stating my opinion.

I never accused you of saying they were better than Calzaghe. (take your own advice) I said how can you COMPARE them to Calzaghe. What was the point of naming them, other than to compare them to Calzaghe? 4 or 5 guys like who? Calzaghe has fought noone as good as B-Hop defensively no question about it, but B-Hop has fought no one like Calzaghe either. I think it could be a close decision like you say, but I'm not ruling out a decisive victory from Calzaghe. because you asked me to!!!!!

okay. i want you to go back and reread everything we have typed. At what point did i say they were better then CAL??? I said bhop has faught bigger guys then him self faster guys and younger guys. i have yet to say that they are better then joe. so stop putting words in my mouth.. you asked me to name guys that were bigger then Bhop when he faught them and i gave you a list. know your trying to say that i said he was better then joe. your funnyI never accused you of saying they were better than Calzaghe. (take your own advice) I said how can you COMPARE them to Calzaghe. What was the point of naming them, other than to compare them to Calzaghe? i used taylor because it was his last L. Cal him self is not a young man, boxers, punchers, and bigger guys have all tryed to beat hopkins, the ones who have done it, did it by a small margin. Cal is a good boxer with great speed, and againts guys like manfredo kessler and lacy he looked very good, but they stay infront of him, but bika was a bit more aquared and he didnt look as good as he had againts the other guys. Hopkins is the king of makeing things aquared. im not sure who will win but im 85% sure it will be a SD victory

I'm simply saying if B-hop shows up and is half decent, and Calzaghe has a tough time beating him, I think it will be a poor reflection of Calzaghe despite the victory. Because Hop is so old now, and b/c one would have to assume if the fight is close now with a 40+ Hop, then Hop would likely win if he were still in his prime. This fight will be a complete waste however, if Hop goes in there and actually fights like a senior citizen. Yeha right mate....and if Hopkins cannot beat Calzaghe when he has the home advantage,fighting at a sea level Calzaghe has never fought and fighting at a weight Calzaghe has never fought than how the hell would he ever beat Calzaghe in his prime without those advantages.

You were saying B-Hop has fought and beaten bigger guys than himself, using it to back up your statement. They were BUMS... If you're seriously gonna compare those guys to Calzaghe then there's no point in arguing. okay. i want you to go back and reread everything we have typed. At what point did i say they were better then CAL??? I said bhop has faught bigger guys then him self faster guys and younger guys. i have yet to say that they are better then joe. so stop putting words in my mouth.. you asked me to name guys that were bigger then Bhop when he faught them and i gave you a list. know your trying to say that i said he was better then joe. your funny

(IMO) If B-Hop even gets close to beating Calzaghe, say a split decision or a nonsense UD for Calzaghe.. Then one would have to assume that had this fight had happened years ago when it should have happened, that B-Hop would have beaten Calzaghe. So, what I'm saying is in order for Calzaghe to really get credit for this victory he better beat him convincingly.. ie not a bunch of close rounds that could have gone either way. If B-Hop manages to make it close, then a few years ago when he was not an old man he most likely would have won the fight. For the record, I expect Calzaghe to win this fight.. Any thoughts on this? (IMOFO*) I think this is true for BHop fans but the reality is Calzaghe would have bee younger as well so there is no telling who would have won back then. Not to mention BHop just beat Tarver and Winky so he shows no signs of losing his ability, and I doubt anyone could seriously say he suddenly lost it due to his age the night of the Calzaghe fight. *In my own flashy opinion