Shane has found his mouth recently, hasn't he?
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During promotion for his fight with Judah, Shane has said on multiple occasions that Top Rank and Miguel Cotto are avoiding him. Is that true?
The way I remember it Shane had nothing to say for months after the Cotto fight. In fact the first and only person to talk about the rematch was Miguel Cotto himself. Miguel said he was interested in the rematch. Shane was nowhere to be found.
So now, about half a year later, after Cotto already committed to the Gomez fight, Shane is trying to claim that Miguel is hiding from him.
That's a crock of shit.
This thread will get 1/2 a post, but freedom must ring!
The thing with Zab is the last person he gought or the last two were nobody journeymen and he had problems with them...
Despite nearly knocking Cotto out in the early rounds Shane did better I think completely ending the fight with no cuts,landing many bombs and pressuring the pressure fighter...
Cotto is smart he beat Judah buy pressure and cheating...he beat Shane by Boxing...I think if Shane would have boxed more he would have won. Judah wont be a problem for Mosley who we'll probbably see fight FLoyd before Cotto does.
Judah before the Cotto fight is a better Judah then the one after...I think Mosley after the Cotto fight feels stronger and is a better fighter competing with the younger dudes right in their prime. Cotto vs Mosley II is warranted. I'ma buy all of em.
Outstanding post. :banana:
Out of this world intelligence and reasoning :D
The thing with Zab is the last person he gought or the last two were nobody journeymen and he had problems with them...
Despite nearly knocking Cotto out in the early rounds Shane did better I think completely ending the fight with no cuts,landing many bombs and pressuring the pressure fighter...
Cotto is smart he beat Judah buy pressure and cheating...he beat Shane by Boxing...I think if Shane would have boxed more he would have won. Judah wont be a problem for Mosley who we'll probbably see fight FLoyd before Cotto does.
Judah before the Cotto fight is a better Judah then the one after...I think Mosley after the Cotto fight feels stronger and is a better fighter competing with the younger dudes right in their prime. Cotto vs Mosley II is warranted. I'ma buy all of em.
:lol1: I was screaming at Shane; "..You dumb mammapuler!.." :lol1:
Cotto was making him look bad, but Shane wasn't helping. Agreed.
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I've been waiting for this moment!
I think Cotto did a Good Job Neutralizing Mosleys Offense But hes a very smart fighter everytime he gets hits hard he seems to make it through and backpedals, Although ive seen the incident where the ref cleans up the puddle of water in the ring i saw Mosley not following through you cant really blame Miguel for that and well I think boxing fans wondered or left a sour taste in their mouths from being cautious on the late rounds
To clarify on Puddlegate; The reason Esteves stopped the action and wiped it down when he did was because Shane Mosley slipped badly on that wetspot as he was advancing toward Miguel. It was Shane's legs kicking out from underneath him only a second before Esteves stopped the action that caused the situation. How the water got there we do not know, but the referee was doing exactly what he should have done when he did it. One of the fighters almost literally went down with an injury when he called time.
What bothers me, is the fact that Mosley fucked up in the 11th round.
Those two monster bodyshots clearly had Cotto near the point of vomit.
He was leaning so far forward to avoid more bodyshots, that all Mosley
had to do was step back and uppercut like a mammapuler!
Guess he was too tired himself to think clearly.
Mosley's most effective work was to the body. Shame he didn't listen to his corner...
:lol1: I was screaming at Shane; "..You dumb mammapuler!.." :lol1:
Cotto was making him look bad, but Shane wasn't helping. Agreed.
Good post. Going into retreat was certainly a risk and would not look good in trying to win rounds. I knew the fight was close, and I was slightly concerned with this tactic because it was not at all expected. I think he was stunned in the 9th but recovered fine and chose to box Shane rather than take the fight to him because he felt it was the safest way to victory. He boxed well, but it was risky to switch it up like that, and like i said, unexpected.
Much agreed. ^ We've been focusing on Miguel, but this made me think about how Shane looked.. HaHA.. Shane was looking desperate even in those late rounds. I think Cotto's confidence and reserve under pressure was huge.
you should have a 3rd option:
"he took the cowards way out, despite having the reputation as the 'ultimate pressure fighter' and coasted because he believed he was ahead in points"
i think he even said this in a way in the post fight interview
let me get this right, by moving away from danger BUT exchanging at the same time, initiating and still punching is fighting like a coward? so this would also constitute as fighting like a coward?
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One thing i notice is how Flat Footed Shane Fought against Cotto...
If Shane ever Fought Mayweather I think it would be a Wide UD....
Shane isnt a boxer nomore, He has turn into a brawler...
Cotto did the smart thing in the last 2 rounds By boxing his way to victory..
Cotto showed to me in that fight that he isnt all that one Dimensional..
I can say alot things about Cotto, but one thing i cant say is that he hasnt improved...
Now he just Need to Test Himself against Young Prime Elite Fighters...
Cotto needs to dare to be great...
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Miguel Cotto's boxing ability is underrated at times. What? Just because he decides to box and not pressure someone at all times, that makes him a coward? Well, I don't agree with that. Even while he was boxing and Mosley was coming after him, he still engaged and landed some beautiful counter shots. He didn't run. When Mosley got there, Cotto fought back and countered back. Adjustments are made all the time, and Cotto made the adjustment. He was able to outbox Mosley down the stretch. We are so used to Cotto being a nonstop pressure fighter, and he is a pressure fighter, but he can do more than that, and that's a good thing for him and not a good thing for his opponents. Bottom line, he won the fight, and that's that.
Good post indeed. Those who think Cotto only knows how to come forward should watch the Abdulaev fight
One thing i notice is how Flat Footed Shane Fought against Cotto...
If Shane ever Fought Mayweather I think it would be a Wide UD....
Shane isnt a boxer nomore, He has turn into a brawler...
Cotto did the smart thing in the last 2 rounds By boxing his way to victory..
Cotto showed to me in that fight that he isnt all that one Dimensional..
I can say alot things about Cotto, but one thing i cant say is that he hasnt improved...
Now he just Need to Test Himself against Young Prime Elite Fighters...
Cotto needs to dare to be great...
I would love for one of the people who voted that he was moments from getting KTFO, to show me a vid clip, or explain where exactly did he seem to be at that moment.
anybody wants to see cotto "box" instead pressing
here's a fight.
cotto vs ceballos
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MFZ54L7G
i've been trying to split the file to post it on youtube but i don't know how.
What bothers me, is the fact that Mosley fucked up in the 11th round.
Those two monster bodyshots clearly had Cotto near the point of vomit.
He was leaning so far forward to avoid more bodyshots, that all Mosley
had to do was step back and uppercut like a mammapuler!
Guess he was too tired himself to think clearly.
Mosley's most effective work was to the body. Shame he didn't listen to his corner...
which is why i said NOT like andy lee
im talking about a sudden knockout like a tsyzu-judah or banks-miranda (though not as brutal)
How can you say that a sudden knockout was about to happen?
For the record I picked Shane to knock Cotto out in the first two rounds. I thought it could happen too. But it didn't happen in twelve rounds, so I don't see why you isuggest it was about to happen
ALSO just look at cotto's amateur career is really not that hard to believe that cotto BOX also and is pretty damn good at it. for me the mosley and abdulleauv fights cotto won them because of his amateur career.
I wanted Shane to win as badly as anyone (except Addison) but it wasn'ty happening.
Live I thought Shane had him hurt. On replay it was clear that Cotto knew what he was doing. He changed strategies and boxed moving backwards. I don't love it, but he was doing well for a good part of that time. And it does work against Mosley
I agree, good post. But although Cotto was still landing some good counterpunches in those final rounds, he did sacrifice the rounds themselves on the scorecards by going into retreat mode. The judges all scored the fight in his favor, but Ring magazine and a plethora of assorted press scored it a draw, or in favor of Mosley. I think The Ring scored it for Mosley initially.
And this is where the argument of his intelligence, overwhelming need, or cowardice comes full circle. I think Cotto was somewhat damaged at that point, gassed out, and being intelligent by staying away. He could have cost himself the fight however, and I'm sure he would have come forward at least one of those rounds if he was physically capable.
What he did was smart, but somewhat risky. That's why I think it was smart, because he had to do it. But it was not all calculated.
Indeed, excellent point.
I know Miguel considered Zab Judah more dangerous at one point.
Good post. Going into retreat was certainly a risk and would not look good in trying to win rounds. I knew the fight was close, and I was slightly concerned with this tactic because it was not at all expected. I think he was stunned in the 9th but recovered fine and chose to box Shane rather than take the fight to him because he felt it was the safest way to victory. He boxed well, but it was risky to switch it up like that, and like i said, unexpected.
watching the fight a couple of times i felt that miguel seem a bit stunt in the 9th round wasn't that convincing because u saw miguel eating those right hands that were located almost in the temple so i ignored that.but i did felt cotto was stunt in the 9th round but not really hurt.i do believe cotto was fighting backwards because he thought he had the fight in the bag during round 12 because round 11 was all cotto so i believe it was a mistake but at the same time a very interesting plan b.
Yes, I agree, good point. ^ Miguel did look in complete control of himself in those late rounds even when he was backing up. He didn't look on the verge of going down or anything. It was an interesting plan b.
And like ExecutiveOutlaw pointed out; Miguel said right after the final bell that he was confident he had won enough rounds, so there's every indication he had control. I think he was being intelligent. Good post.