It as to be Fraudley Harrison coming back from the Olympics... The BBC seriously thought he was gonna be the next Lewis or bigger... Ha Ha... they haven't even bothered with boxing since... Nice one Fraudley!
I was going to say Ottke, but everyone who knows anything about boxing knew he was paper champion protected by both refs and judges, so you can't be overrated if no one rates you in the first place.....although he did knock out mundine, who surely deserves a place on this thread, if only for the number one p4p title he holds in his own imagination lol
yeah very true. good post.
I was going to say Ottke, but everyone who knows anything about boxing knew he was paper champion protected by both refs and judges, so you can't be overrated if no one rates you in the first place.....although he did knock out mundine, who surely deserves a place on this thread, if only for the number one p4p title he holds in his own imagination lol
Hmmm, lets see........DLH-Whittaker:ugh: , DLH-Quartey:ugh:, DLH was only in that position because he recieved IFy decisions. Live by the sword die by the sword. Not even going to mention Strum.
yeah, i think odlh has been robbed, but he has also robbed many as well so it's a wash in my book.
well, your statement is void by the fact that he was THE 147 AND 154CHAMPION....and he was robbed when he unified 147(Tito,incredible that a robbery legitimised tito's career at 147...laughable...)
wow people go out on a limb to hate....
anyway...popkins is...
Hmmm, lets see........DLH-Whittaker:ugh: , DLH-Quartey:ugh:, DLH was only in that position because he recieved IFy decisions. Live by the sword die by the sword. Not even going to mention Strum.
But that is the problem with people rating Hopkins isn't it.
Some people consider him to be the greatest middleweight of all time when he clearly isn't.
Hopkins is a great middleweight and does make the top middleweight lists but it's hard to make a case for him being ranked higher than, for example, Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon.
Hopkins is underrated at middleweight, the last time the ring made a alltime ratings for Middleweight he wasn't even in the top 20 which is a Joke.
2004 Alltime Middleweight list
1. Harry Greb
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Jake LaMotta
6. Charley Burley
7. Tiger Flowers
8. Stanley Ketchel
9. Mickey Walker
10. Billy Conn
11. Marcel Cerdan
12. Tony Zale
13. Emile Griffith
14. Dick Tiger
15. Gene Fullmer
16. Rodrigo Valdez
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Tommy Ryan
19. Joey Giardello
20. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
The funny thing is when they made the list in 2001 they had him at 16 then they took him out for the 2004 rating.
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Division-By-Division_-_The_Greatest_Fighters_of_All-Time
If you are considered to be arguably the best MW of all-time your not fuckin overated lmao.
But that is the problem with people rating Hopkins isn't it.
Some people consider him to be the greatest middleweight of all time when he clearly isn't.
Hopkins is a great middleweight and does make the top middleweight lists but it's hard to make a case for him being ranked higher than, for example, Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon.
Hopkins overated?
Argument could be made. His biggest wins are against tito and Oscar who are not 160 lbers. His reign at middleweight was impresive in terms of defenses but alot of those defenses were against not the stongest of foes. He did go up and school Traver, so that does count for something. i would not say he is absolutely overrated but i could see someone making the argument.
All id like to add is Arturo Gatti and id say my list is the same as yours.
I don't think anybody ever overrated Gatti, he was called the human highlight film by HBO after his fights with Patterson and Rodriguez. I do however know some people actually thought he would give a decent fight against Floyd which was laughable.
Someone who was getting some crazy hype was Juan Diaz, sure he was impressive against Freitas and Julio Diaz.
Freitas was comming off that split decision win against Zahir Raheem and had quit in his last high profile fight against Corrales.
Julio Diaz was comming off a title winning fight against Chavez who had hurt his knee and could not continue, his last high profile fight was a KO loss to Jose Luis Castillo.
well, your statement is void by the fact that he was THE 147 AND 154CHAMPION....and he was robbed when he unified 147(Tito,incredible that a robbery legitimised tito's career at 147...laughable...)
wow people go out on a limb to hate....
anyway...popkins is...
Hopkins overated?
I would say DLH. He is a good fighter but he is so over hyped. You would think that he was an ATG with all the pub and talk about him.
They make him seem like a multi-division Champion when he was merely a multi-division titilist. Its debatable if DLH was ever a true Champion at all. He was never the undisputed champion of any of his weight classes and its a testament to the ABC's genuis as to how he got soooo many belts.
147lbs: He lost to Tito and Mosley here and never unified.
154lbs: Won some ABC's from Vargas (how did Vargas get those belts after losing them to Tito?). However did'nt get to unify against any other champs here before losing again to Mosley.
160lbs: Strum and Hopkins do I need to even go here.
He had some good fights and good wins but if you step back from the neon lights and allow your retina to dialate you'll see he is wayyy over hyped.
well, your statement is void by the fact that he was THE 147 AND 154CHAMPION....and he was robbed when he unified 147(Tito,incredible that a robbery legitimised tito's career at 147...laughable...)
wow people go out on a limb to hate....
anyway...popkins is...
Panchito Bojado - People were saying he would be better then Both Delahoya and Vargas.
Jeff Lacy - Very 1 dimensional had devastating power but had never fought a real top fighter till he got spanked by Calzaghe.
Diego Corrales - Yes we all love the guy because he would give his heart and soul but he had horrible defense. He went life and death with Justin Juuko,Roberto Garcia before his fight with Floyd which people thought he would win. Later in his career he was getting spanked by Castillo before getting one of the best come from behind Ko's ever. Ended up losing two fights to Casamayor and getting Ko'd by Castillo in the rematch. Love the guy but his wins against Manfredo and Gainer made everyone jump on the bandwagon.
All id like to add is Arturo Gatti and id say my list is the same as yours.
I like these two fighters don't get me wrong, but I feel both Abrahams and Miranda are both limited fighters and are both overrated. And both their resumes look the damn same if you compare them for the most part.
Panchito Bojado - People were saying he would be better then Both Delahoya and Vargas.
Jeff Lacy - Very 1 dimensional had devastating power but had never fought a real top fighter till he got spanked by Calzaghe.
Diego Corrales - Yes we all love the guy because he would give his heart and soul but he had horrible defense. He went life and death with Justin Juuko,Roberto Garcia before his fight with Floyd which people thought he would win. Later in his career he was getting spanked by Castillo before getting one of the best come from behind Ko's ever. Ended up losing two fights to Casamayor and getting Ko'd by Castillo in the rematch. Love the guy but his wins against Manfredo and Gainer made everyone jump on the bandwagon.
To many to list. In terms of guys who are considered elite , I would say Mosley.
Hear me out, He was a very good at 135. However ,he bombed out weak competition and never got to fight Stevie Johnston. He beat Oscar at 147 and that is it for Mosley. He lost 2x to forrest and wright, and the Oscar rematch was a gift (IMO). Cotto beat him and now is fighting the other guy who is perhaps the other most overrated fighter , Zab Judah. He has fought good competition since his first fight with Oscar but he has lost way more than won.
Naseem Hamed.
Don't get me wrong i liked watching this bloke fight, he was boxing's entertainer but in his first real acid test, Barrera exposed him and his never recovered from that defeat, shame.
The first real acid test was NOT Barrera. Hamed fought at least a dozen belt holders or top-10 fighters and wiped the floor with most. Losing to Barrera is no shame. He's a 100% gold-clad ATG FFS!