MMA fighters cannot succeed in Boxing

Agree with the general thrust of "blackirish137"s arguement, but there have been some successful crossover fighters. Paul Briggs, the top Light-Heavy contender who was narrowly outpointed twice for the title, was one of the worlds best mua thai fighters. Alexander Povetkin was a championship kickboxer before turning to boxing. Dana Rosenblatt was a kickboxing champion. Lucia Rijker was another championship level kickboxer. --- Don't know as much about MMA, but there is a few fighters in there who have had some kind of decent boxing background. Chris Lytle was state champ in pro boxing, now is a solid contender in MMA, & there is a few others I've heard about.

Credible source??? Dave Meltzer is the source on the nine million figure. You take a boxer of equal fame and weight as Tito Ortiz, and Have them fight as many fights as Tito, I guarantee the boxer will bring home more than double what Tito does. Yes that is true. Tito, though, wouldn’t be at the same level he is/was in MMA if he decided to become a pro boxer. He wouldn’t even be close. Hence he doesn’t try. Could many MMA fighters be elite level boxers? No. Could most boxers becomes elite level MMA fighters? No. That doesn't mean that an MMA fighter couldn't have relatively successful boxing career. Nor does it mean that a boxer couldn't have a relatively successful MMA career. People stick to their own sports because they are better at them and make more money doing them.

You take a boxer of equal fame and weight as Tito Ortiz, and Have them fight as many fights as Tito, I guarantee the boxer will bring home more than double what Tito does. Yes. Tito wouldn’t be at the same level he is/was in MMA if he decided to become a pro boxer. He wouldn’t even be close. Hence he doesn’t try. Explain to me how a a B Level MMA fighter will make more than a B level Boxer? Define B level.

Credible source??? Dave Meltzer is the credible source on the nine million figure.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4916767.html "Tito Ortiz is good for business. He is one of the most polarizing mixed martial artists on the planet, but the bottom line is he is good for the Ultimate Fighting Championship's bottom line. No fighter this side of Chuck Liddell draws a crowd like "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy," and the UFC knows it. UFC boss Dana White takes shots at Ortiz at will, with the latest salvo coming earlier this month at UFC 72. White called him out for declining a rematch on the show with Forrest Griffin. But even White can't dispute that the brash Ortiz is one of the fighters who paved the way for the UFC to be where it is today. Ortiz has been part of five of the top 20 highest grossing mixed martial arts gates in Las Vegas. With Ortiz in the main event of each of those shows, the UFC grossed $11 million, including $5.4 million alone from December's Liddell-Ortiz 2, which set the North American record for a mixed martial arts gate. That fight also drew the most pay-per-view buys in the sport's history with nearly 1.1 million, good for another $43 million for the UFC coffers. Ortiz, 32, is a hit on cable as well. His shellacking of Ken Shamrock in the third bout of their trilogy in October 2006 drew a Spike TV/UFC record of 4.2 million viewers. While it might be tempting to consider those points part of the past, Ortiz is still very much a part of UFC present. Despite not one but two title fights on the July 7 "Stacked" card from Sacramento, the UFC is leading with Ortiz in a non-title fight in its promotion of the event. Ortiz's fight with Rashad Evans at 73 comes at a pivotal point in his relationship with the UFC. Win or lose, Ortiz has two fights left on his contract. While a loss to the unbeaten, younger Evans would support arguments from some of the sport's pundits that Ortiz is no longer among the best 205-pounders, he remains one of the few fighters in mixed martial arts who doesn't need to win to sell tickets. He has a huge, steadfastly loyal fan base. Ortiz (16-5) has walked away from the UFC once before over his differences with White. However, during his one-year hiatus between 2005 and 2006, he didn't fight for another organization. Today, upstart promotions such as EliteXC and BodogFight would likely throw tantalizing sums of money at a free-agent Ortiz and give him the chance to one up White a final time. White doesn't think it will happen. "Do I need Tito Ortiz to continue to grow my business? No," said White. "Tito's always an interesting character, but Tito's a good fighter, and he deserves to be in the UFC. I can see Tito Ortiz finishing his career in the UFC. We're always going to butt heads, but as long as he's one of the top fighters in the world, he'll stay in the UFC." White said he is not currently discussing a contract extension with Ortiz but expects to do so next year." Where does it say he made 9 million dollars?

those are his first 8 fights...DAMN..show me what elite boxer beat fighters in there first 8 fights that were "that great" ..... the links he provided were guys who had a couple of boxing matches.. i like you , but you are being a donkey. :tapedshut i dont think you understand what we're saying. i get what YOU'Re trying to say but you provided a link to a dude who has yet to prove he is SUCCESSFUL by you're own standards since you say there hasnt been a boxer that has beat "great" fighters in their first 8 fights. knowwhatimsaying? my point is, an MMA fighter would not succeed at the highest level in Boxing. If they could, we'd be seeing cross overs. The same goes for Boxers in MMA but that isnt the topic of the thread.

those guys were all that great in mma either.. i showed a couple examples myself.... yeah but you kinda proved his point. he said some MMA fighters may be able to come in and beat some dudes or bums here or there. the links you should kinda showed the Russian dude did that. his opponents werent that great.

I think it goes both ways....boxers would struggle going into MMA....I don't know why there is this "Boxing is Superior" attitude with boxing fans who don't care for MMA,when its all said and done MMA fighters are more skilled than there boxing counterparts when you take into account all the different individual skills needed when they fight...boxing being just a small part of it...I think anyone who has trained in one or the other for years will always edge out the other if they try and cross over,this is just the usual recycled bullshit thread... of course it does. but the thread basically spoke the truth showing actual examples.

Most MMA fighters have no amateur experience whatsoever so no reasonable person should expect them to excel in boxing especially at the lower weight classes.

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I think it goes both ways....boxers would struggle going into MMA....I don't know why there is this "Boxing is Superior" attitude with boxing fans who don't care for MMA,when its all said and done MMA fighters are more skilled than there boxing counterparts when you take into account all the different individual skills needed when they fight...boxing being just a small part of it...I think anyone who has trained in one or the other for years will always edge out the other if they try and cross over,this is just the usual recycled bullshit thread...

That works on the assumption that the crossovers are going to be elite level at both sports. Credible sources confirmed that one-year Tito Ortiz with his PPV cut etc took home nine million dollars from the UFC. That doesn't include sponsorship money etc either. Most boxers aren't going to make nine million in one year. There is no reason for someone like Tito to try his hand at boxing because.. a) He won't be as good at it. b) It pays him more to stick to MMA. Credible source???

Sadly, most MMA fighters don't know how train yet. Specially in striking. Most of them don't even know how to gage their range. Most of them just train hard, not realizing they're doing most of it wrong. I can only name you one guy for sure that trains like they're supposed to and that is St. Pierre, maybe Silva, but I don't know how he trains. With that being said, boxing has been developing as a sport for about a century or so and has been refined, while MMA has only been around in America for about a decade or so and is pretty much a diamond in the rough. So when this fighters from MMA try to transition to a more refined form they don't get away with being sloppy. They lack a lot of not only striking but skills in general.

That works on the assumption that the crossovers are going to be elite level at both sports. Credible sources confirmed that one-year Tito Ortiz with his PPV cut etc took home nine million dollars from the UFC. That doesn't include sponsorship money etc either. Most boxers aren't going to make nine million in one year. There is no reason for someone like Tito to try his hand at boxing because.. a) He won't be as good at it. b) It pays him more to stick to MMA. You take a boxer of equal fame and weight as Tito Ortiz, and Have them fight as many fights as Tito, I guarantee the boxer will bring home more than double what Tito does.

nevermind, just realized the dude is practically agreeing with me.

That works on the assumption that the crossovers are going to be elite level at both sports. Credible sources confirmed that one-year Tito Ortiz with his PPV cut etc took home nine million dollars from the UFC. That doesn't include sponsorship money etc either. Most boxers aren't going to make nine million in one year. There is no reason for someone like Tito to try his hand at boxing because.. a) He won't be as good at it. b) It pays him more to stick to MMA. You just used Tito Ortiz as an example. Tito Ortiz is not your average MMA fighter. His status in the MMA world is legendary. So while most boxers arent going to make nine million dollars in one year, a fighter who may have the equal status of Tito Ortiz in the Boxing world, say, Felix Trinidad, can make double that WITHOUT sponsorship. Explain to me how a a B Level MMA fighter will make more than a B level Boxer?

That works on the assumption that the crossovers are going to be elite level at both sports. Credible sources confirmed that one-year Tito Ortiz with his PPV cut etc took home nine million dollars from the UFC. That doesn't include sponsorship money etc either. Most boxers aren't going to make nine million in one year. There is no reason for someone like Tito to try his hand at boxing because.. a) He won't be as good at it. b) It pays him more to stick to MMA.

if they could, they would be doing it alreadt making double to triple of what they make right now. :lol1: that's true.

That works on the assumption that pro boxing pays well. On the whole it doesn't. Most fighters don't make Oscar money. so then you are saying the average MMA fighter gets paid more than a Boxer? How bout this, are the 20 most FAMOUS MMA fighters making remotely what the 20 most FAMOUS boxers are now?

That works on the assumption that pro boxing pays well. On the whole it doesn't. Most fighters don't make Oscar money.