FLoyD FaNs vs. CoTTo FaNs vs. FLoyD HaTers: LET'S CLEAR THE AIR !!!!!!

Horus873118y ago

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR All SIDES TO AIR OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES.... TO WHY THIS FIGHT EITHER MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW OR DOESNT MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW... I know soMe of you guys Don’t Like reading that Much So I turn this thread into 3 parts....So pick one of the Parts and read and respond... Here is The Quote from one Floyd Fan: Right now it's all about how big of a draw Cotto can become to get a shot at Floyd. Floyd has nothing left to prove in his mind and to the general public. There will always be fans that want him to fight this guy, then that guy, then those guys. No one is ever happy and Floyd knows this. If he only has 4 or 5 good fights left in him, why should he fight all the top contenders opposed to the top money making fights? History? None of the top contenders are considered great fighters, so even if he beats them all, I'm sure the significance isn't as important as the extra millions he'll make fighting the other guys. Money is what it's all about, that's why Cotto must win very impressive to convince more people he can actually beat Mayweather. A lot of people thought Hatton had a good chance to beat Floyd, but Floyd blew him away. In the process Floyd's stock rose, now Cotto must really raise his stock to get a shot. I think Cotto hurt his stock when he fought Mosley. Cotto will be lucky if he ever gets a shot. To Elaborate on this Further: I want to say this before I start... My Name is Horus and I am a Floyd FaN Although I do think Cotto is a good Fighter and would beat Most People.. I just think he is overHyped.. and I think Mainly as Soon as Mayweather beats Him people will say Cotto was a bum all along and discredit another one of Floyds victories... Thats why i think Cotto should Beat the rest of the WW champions which is going to be 2 people after Apirl12th before he fights Floyd so there can be no doubts that he was the man Floyd had to beat to Solidify His Legacy.... Because Right Now if Floyd fights Cotto and wins they are going to say well he gotta fight Margarito,Quintania,Williams,Mosely,Berto, and so on to be considered Great.. and none of those fighters are great so really if Floyd fights Cotto right now and wins he will never be truly A All time great in your eyes because he didnt have great competition to fight against unlike Sugar Ray Lenard who had Hearns, and Hagler Ali who had Frazior and Foreman Julio Ceasar Chavez Who had Taylor and Hector Camacho Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter.. Floyd needs Cotto to become Great So Floyd can truly be Considered Great.. Or this will Never End... I think Floyd is great already but he can never be consider truly a legend unless he beats another Great Fighter who everybody thinks was Just as great as Floyd was at the time or close to Floyd... So if Floyd is going to retired like he says... Why Not retired Right after beating Cotto ..and the Cotto i want him to beat is a Cotto with all the Belts except Floyds belt.. And that would be a great Fight..... That's the Kinda Fight Where Fighters really leave everything on the line to become the Undisputed Champion of the Division...and in Floyd's Case One of the 10 greatest Fighters of All time... That's the kinda Fight That the Cotto vs. Mayweather Fight Should BE.. Now To my Thread.... 1ST PART: I have come to the Conclusion that Cotto Fans and Floyd Haters just don’t want to hear This.... I have being Stating Facts like this for Months and all they see in Cotto is that "Cotto" is the next person who the public thinks can possible beat Floyd...but their is one problem with this They don’t even actually think that cotto can really beat Floyd...you will get a Selective few who believe it but not a majority... That's what Makes Fights Great when both Sides think their Guy can win... Right Now nobody really believes Cotto can Beat Floyd They think Cotto can give Floyd a good Match but they do not think and believe He can actually beat Floyd, Even the most hardcore Cotto fans will say if Floyd runs and boxes Cotto. Cotto will lose... They think the only way Floyd can lose is if Cotto can cut off the ring and Pressure Floyd.. Ask yourself this question Has Floyd ever lost a fight where somebody did that....?? The answer is "No" 2ND PART: *But it shouldn’t be that way, they should think No matter what Cotto will win...And right Now Cotto is not at the point where people actually think cotto can win... *In Floyds Last 2 fights With Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya you had over 4 million people buying P.P.V at $59.95 Because they believe that their guy can actually beat Floyd *That kind of belief is not with Cotto right now, they think Cotto can give Floyd a good fight but they do not Believe Cotto can Win... 3 Elements are needed for a Great Fight 1. Both Fighters Must Have a Huge Fan Base 2. Both Fighters Fans must believe that their fighter can win 3. Casual Fans must want to see the fight because they believe that both fighters can lose And those 3 Elements are Not there with Cotto *That's why I 100% agree with the statement that Cotto must win very impressive in his next 2 fights to convince more people he can actually beat Mayweather. *Because Floyd’s stock is so high right now That people are not going to buy a fight which they think Floyd is just going win another boring fight... They want to see Floyd actually get beat... example: Floyd vs. Oscar 2 (i dont think it is going to sell like it did last time because everybody thinks floyd is going to win again easy...) Same with Cotto *And Not enough People believe Cotto can actually Beat Floyd and the causal fans don’t even know who cotto is, so you know they don’t think he can beat Floyd... 3RD PART: While Floyd vs. Cotto right now will be a good Fight (i would like too see it) It wouldn’t be as big as Hatton and De La Hoya and it wouldnt be as Great as it could of been if Cotto would have gotten to 2 other belts Floyd vs. Hatton Numbers:2.5 Million P.P.V Combined http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=11766 Floyd vs. De La Hoya Numbers: 2.15 P.P.V Combined Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world... Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT.... "Dancing with the Stars" Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight "WrestleMania" Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now... "American Idol"...??? Sorry Cotto Fans, Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum .. And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..!!! Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!... This is what I have been trying to say forever... Cotto Stock isnt high enough to really convince Floyd and the Public that this could be a big event... The Logic: It's like this Cotto need to build his name up without Floyd Before he can even he can begin negotiations with Floyd... It more like saying you want to bet me some money on a fight but when I ask where is the money you want to bet me, you say I will show you the money after the fight...??? And naturally I tell you no show me the money right now or no bet.... and we end up not betting because you didnt have the money. The point is Cotto doesnt have the money to bet... And You can’t begin negotiations unless you have something to negotiate with....! And Cotto doesnt have enough to negotiate with... Not more than De La Hoya Not More than Hatton (Country vs. Country) Not More than Pacqiao (Country vs. Country) (P4p vs. P4p) Cotto needs to raise his Stock.... Period.!! or How about this, How about cotto fight Floyd for the same money he fought Mosely so floyd can make THe same money he made fighting Hatton...Since Cotto is not a marketable fighter yet outside of New York..?? that would be about around a 70-30 Split....

Comments (20)

fightingfigs

Quit gargling Floyds Nuts.

18y ago

Horus8731

Same shit, different fucking day ffs Are you a EmO supporter...?

18y ago

SWFC

Same shit, different fucking day ffs

18y ago

Horus8731

U doing a spin job. Every one of Floyd's fan wouldn't mind Floyd whooping on Cotto for 10 rds or so. We just not mad that it won't happen tomorrow. U keep denying the fact that Cash Rules. Let Cotto get some wins build his name up and then Floyd will destroy him and the get the gwap and the glory. It's the win win baby! U can't force the King to do anything, u can't throw rocks at the throne, but u can erase all obstacles by beating them and making yourself the only option and the best option. Cotto has to be undeniable! * Time to BUMP this Thread..*

18y ago

Horus8731

shit, horus got upset cuz i said floyd dont care about his government assignment relating floyd over here. i figured what you're all about Horus. you probably ran out of the mental institution, because let's face it the medicine there didnt really help you there did it? NOPE. so you probably one of those stalker psycho types. you probably spy on floyd when he's at his mansion. jerk off when you see him take off his shirt through the window. he throws shit away you pick it up. he drops a tissue you pick it up, sniff it, lick it, that type of shit, frame it and put it on the wall. you go to one of his fights, you see the blood drip on the canvas. you wait till everyone leaves the arena, run up to the ring and lick the blood off the canvas, cuz it's floyd's blood and that gives you a hard on. in your room you probably have a shrine of floyd's pictures that you jerk off to at night it's time to get help man find the world "help" in the dictionary to see what i mean So if im like that with Floyd... How do you describe your obsession with me..?? Like i said before If you don't like what I am saying DONT come into any of my threads or reply to any of my post. If you see a Thread by HORUS pass it up and If you see any Post by Horus ignore it... How about you do that...!! Can you agree to that... Or Do you just Love me to much...:nutkick:

18y ago

Pullcounter7451

it's simple. floyd has no monetary reason to fight cotto when delahoya and hatton are still out there. if mosley/judah outsells cotto/margarito, then floyd will fight the winner of mosley/judah instead of the winner of cotto/margarito. So cotto, arum, and hbo need to promote the hell out of cotto/margarito or else we'll never see floyd/cotto. I really hope arum and hbo put up the kind of promotion to make it a huge fight.

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Boogie_Nights

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Horus8731

okay you can get off his nuts now horus, we know how you get down, but let's face it he doesnt have the same feelings towards you. neither does floyd, in fact floyd could give a less fuck about what you doing here with spammin of the boards. so stop acting like his fucking defence attorney How about this "Fuckboy" If you dont like what I am saying DONT come into any of my threads or reply to any of my post. If you see a Thread by HORUS pass it up and If you see any Post by Horus ignore it... How about you do that...!! And get off my dick..!!! :buttkick:

18y ago

Boogie_Nights

You are one of the very few rational people i have seen post on here... Where you can agree to disagree...without disrespect... The world needs more people like you... okay you can get off his nuts now horus, we know how you get down, but let's face it he doesnt have the same feelings towards you. neither does floyd, in fact floyd could give a less fuck about what you doing here with spammin of the boards. so stop acting like his fucking defence attorney

18y ago

Horus8731

Hey man, first thank you for responding. Ur right that Vegas is the best venue in boxing, but I think that PBF was way wrong when he said on ESPN, that Cotto doesn't put up numbers. Cotto can put very good numbers, and bring more than enough money for Floyd. Trinidad did many times and right now Cotto is just as recognized as Tito was back then. I don't think PBF is running from Cotto, because PBF has always fought the best. But being realistic, Cotto represents the biggest challenge for PBF at any point in his career and he knows it. PBF knows that there is a lot to lose by facing Cotto. Anyway, take care and keep making good points, we may not agree on all but they are very good. You are one of the very few rational people i have seen post on here... Where you can agree to disagree...without disrespect... The world needs more people like you...

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Lazy_Liberal

Your whole Post is a rewrite.... And your arguments have Already been Argued and Answered.. Read throughout the Thread... Bring Something New to the Table... Read the Thread and you will not been asking question that i already gave Responses Too Yes sir.............................and I'm sorry. I knew what I wrote would not be responded to intelligently.

18y ago

Horus8731

Cotto doesn't need any other belts to Fight Floyd. He is a known fighter, it is a fallacy that he is an unknowned fighter. The argument of Cotto needing 2 more belts in order to bring attention or create a buzz is sbsurd. A lot of talk about PPv numbers, and who does what and so forth. Floyd is making Ppv numbers because of the guys he fights. Floyd fought Gatti , who was a mainstream figure, known by Joe Blow from Idaho. Floyd batters gatti and creates a buzz which translates to interest in his other PPvs. My point , Floyd needed Gatti in order to make a name for himself. Cotto turns pro in 2001. He makes his PPv debut in 2006. That's 5 yrs. Floyd turns pro in 96. He makes his PPv debut in 2005. That's 9 yrs. Floyd has the numbers over Cotto not only because he has fought gatti and Oscar but because he has more yrs in the boxing game. Cotto has already built his base, now he will expand and attract others who will want to see him. For a guy who is an unkwon fighter and brings nothing to the table, 400,00+ ppvs is pretty good. Your whole Post is a rewrite.... And your arguments have Already been Argued and Answered.. Read throughout the Thread... Bring Something New to the Table... Read the Thread and you will not been asking question that i already gave Responses Too

18y ago

Horus8731

Hey man. Sorry that you are getting hit from every angle in this thread. I'm answering to the first part of your post. Both me and you know, that there is not many people out there that can beat Mayweather, but we also know that at WW the guy to beat is Cotto. Now I completely agree with you in that, PBF doesn't have to prove anything in boxing to anyone. But at WW, Cotto is the guy, Mayweather's career numbers or Hall of Fame numbers were at lower weight classes. Nonetheless, he doesn't have to prove a thing to anyone. Now if it's all about money, why doesn't he fight Cotto in Puerto Rico. Cotto is a hero there and the venue should produce great numbers and big money for Money. I don't think it's a smart pick for Mayweather to fight Cotto, anywhere. Cotto can definitely beat Mayweather in my opinion, but we will never know. I don't agree w/ u in Cotto's stock going down by beating Mosley at his own game. Cotto's speed and jab really impressed me on that fight. Anyway, take care. 1ST PART: I have come to the Conclusion that Cotto Fans and Floyd Haters just don’t want to hear This.... I have being Stating Facts like this for Months and all they see in Cotto is that "Cotto" is the next person who the public thinks can possible beat Floyd...but their is one problem with this They don’t even actually think that cotto can really beat Floyd...you will get a Selective few who believe it but not a majority... That's what Makes Fights Great when both Sides think their Guy can win... Right Now nobody really believes Cotto can Beat Floyd They think Cotto can give Floyd a good Match but they do not think and believe He can actually beat Floyd, Even the most hardcore Cotto fans will say if Floyd runs and boxes Cotto. Cotto will lose... They think the only way Floyd can lose is if Cotto can cut off the ring and Pressure Floyd.. Ask yourself this question Has Floyd ever lost a fight where somebody did that....?? The answer is "No" Arguments in your Post 1.why doesn't he fight Cotto in Puerto Rico..? Cotto is the Challenger, Floyd is the Champion Cotto is in no Position right Now to decide the Location,Gloves,Anything. Just Like Floyd didnt get anything when he fought Oscar the first Time.. Why Would Floyd fight in Puerto Rico when He knows Vegas is the biggest Stage in boxing, and Plus the place where both fighters can make the most Money, and In addition why would Floyd give up his home court ..?

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"Since i get stuff wrong all the time, Please give me at least 5 times When i said something not supported with facts..." 1. You said "Bob arum only...with more post here" That wasn't it and you didn't use the fact that Margarito was getting his career high pay day. You were wrong there. 2. Hatton and Mayweather 2 at Wembley would be a far bigger fight in England then Hatton and Witter would. Wembley holds what 90,000? That'd sell out in like 2 hours. 3. "Calzaghe can't lose....etc" This was wrong and you didn't even use facts to support it. 4. I changed this to the Pacquiao running through mexicans thing which was wrong because Pacquiaio only lost to Marquez by a point. 5. Calzaghe isn't a protected fighter. Just because you don't recognize names doesn't mean that they were bad. That means you're just a dumbass. Or as you would say it "You is a dumbass and a haterz of mine!! Get off my dick yo!!1" And if I wanted to be real nit picky about this I could have just brought up 5 random posts that had nothing to do with Boxing because none of them had facts in them and I could have gained my 10k. Insted I just chose to prove you wrong with 5 different subjects. I have proved you wrong (except on the Ali Mayweather thing, you got me there, but I was a little confused in that scramble of text).

18y ago

Lazy_Liberal

18y ago

Horus8731

Your span is 5 minutes? Why didn't you reply when you made a post earlier at noon in this thread and not the original Wlad/vitali thread when I had to remind you. Not to mention that this whole object is to prove you wrong when you didn't use fact. Originally if you would have done that, you would have included that thing and not have me point it out to you to find another "source". That blog is suspect anyway. How did the author get that information.. He said that Margarito would get 1.8 from the Cotto fight, but Arum never had stated this. And you still got #3 wrong even if Lacy is a better win then Eubank. Your original post: This is so so so so wrong. I've proved 1-5 wrong except #4 which I replaced with something new which I can do because you said to prove 5 times you were wrong. And you said to find things where you were wrong, and so I did. So pay me my 10k and we are all good. my statement: "Since i get stuff wrong all the time, Please give me at least 5 times When i said something not supported with facts..." 1. I didnt know you even Replied until i saw your post when i got home.. and when i saw your post i ask "Where did you proved me Wrong..?? I dont even think you Replied... Give the link.." and then i search your post history and found it and reply in this thread because you was in here 2. The point was the fact that the WBO was going to strip Margarito was the main reason or one of the reasons he fought williams Because Marg loved that Belt because that was his claim to fame Your Orginal Post: 1. Quote: Bob Arum only made Margo fight Paul Williams when the WBO made a threat to take away his title for not fighting his mandatory. YOU argeed... with this :lol1: 2. Quote: hatton Needs To Fight Witter Before Even Coming Back To The States...!!! Period What Fight in England would be better than Hatton vs. Witter...?? These are the 2 biggest names in England boxing This is the fight Has been building for years 3. Quote: Calzaghe Cant Lose this fight and Have his resume taken Seriously from now on, because it would be obvious that he wasnt fighting Elite Fighters... That's my opinion, I didnt say taken serious by ALL BOXING FANS. I wrote that From my point of View... and that is a FACT, If he loses to a 43 year Hopkins I will not take him seriouly as a great fighter in my eyes. 4. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171894 This whole topic lol YOUR ARGUE AGAINST SOMETHING I DIDNT EVEN ARGUE FOR... :slap: 5. Quote: Calzaghe is A PROTECTED FIGHTER..... Once again that is my Opinion....and most people would agree with my opinion... For the sake of arguing What are usally the standards for labeling somebody a protected fighter...??? 1. Resume full of Who is that Fighters 2. Hardly Ever Leaves his Hown Town 3. Turn down fights with Fighters who would skill out seeds there own(Jones,Hopkins,Toney,etc) The list goes on... But you get the point.... Where in your original 5 did you proved me wrong..?? Like i said U always been on my dick, and you proved nothing

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