The Mystery of Shane Mosley

lol Yeah, I wasn't tryin to argue with you, It's just watchin Oscar's career, you have to raise an eye brow every now and then. That guy had his head somewhere else throughout his career. Talkin about mentality's, definantly, the 3 fighters that I love more then anything for their sheer dedication to the sport are the Marquez brothers, and Bernard Hopkins. They don't take the sport for granted and they train like somthing out of a ancient Greek handbook on how to be a soldier an shit lol. I mean they're dedication alone amazes me. The fact we got cameras to document they're brief disciplines is amazing in itself. Hopkins should be the main inspiration of young fighters. He's not the most gifted guy, but he's so dedicated and focused that he wins simply because of his over-preparation. Oscar seems to be just like me judging by what you say. I get super-bored with everything after a short while. I need something new constantly, otherwise I'm bored to death. If that is the case with Oscar, I am amazed he has actually come this far... I have never, and I mean EVER, been able to follow a training program for any longer than two weeks. That includes running. I can't be arsed to go out every day to run. It bores the hell out of me. I'm still getting by on talent, but I wish I was more like B-Hop...

Only if you take that thing for granted... Oscar doesn't have the suffiicient amount of cool in his mind to fight smart, and that goes hand in hand in him takin the sport for granted. I mean if you seek his motivations for leaving the sport to begin with, it was basically because he bought into his own fame. I've seen countless interviews where Oscar states that he wants to be an actor. Then you press rewind on your history, it becomes even less of a surprise that he left the sport to sing. It all actually makes sense. He left the sport to sing, now yearrrrrs after he's talkin about bein an "actor"...lol ninja pleaseeeee. He's pretty much become obsessed with himself, he forgot he was a fighter. He thought he could just lay on his physical talents and be able to perform at will. But they call this a science for a reason. You need to approach fights strategically, you can't make it up as you go along. No you cant blame him entirely though, he "boxed" Trinidad into pieces, and lost the decision. He thought that was because he didn't "brawl" and show his "macho." So he went out with Mosley and tried to "Brawl" and show his "macho" and lost the handspeed battle in that fight. So technically, he just tried to "perform" before trying to actually fight smart. He should have leaned into some shots against Trinidad (Tito had a weak chin, Oscar could have KOed him.) And he should have boxed Mosley from the outside the way he did against Trinidad. (It's been proven Shane can be countered and picked apart from a distance by both Forrest and Wright.) But now Oscar is seeing the light, lol he'll never be an actor, his life as a singer was short lived for the obvious reasons, now...he has to fight. Simple as that, he's gettin Roach, Mayweather Sr, because now he finally realizes, he needs to hone(sp) his game. But yeah, this can be argued many ways. This is just how I personally see it. A good post :beerchug: I won't debate how you see it. But I will say that I don't believe you have to take things for granted in order to become tired of it. At times, boxing makes me wanna puke. When those times come, I do something entirely different. I can understand someone like Oscar getting tired of the sport. And yeah, if Oscar had the mentality of Floyd for example, he would have been more successful IMO.

Mosley was a hybrid of Mike Tyson in the lower weights. Those quick hard short shots, applied to a smaller body. I think Oscar would have a had a better chance of gettin past Mosley if he would have kept his distance like Forrest did, instead of trying to match handspeed at close range. But Oscar having the perfect fightplan and taking this sport seriously, lol If Oscar was capable of that.....I really doubt he would have ran away from the sport to sing music. I beg to differ. I believe Oscar did take the sport seriously. Probably too much. See, if you focus all your attention one one thing for many many years, you will get to a point where you just get tired of it. Then you will need to do something else for awhile in order to get back your drive. It might be basejumping, it might be golf or it might be singing. Doesn't matter. Oscar fucked up in that fight because he was obsessed with knocking Mosley out. You can argue this two ways; -Oscar is a fighter or -Oscar does not have the sufficient amount of cool in his mind when he fights.

Alot of pretenders can get in the ring and act like Ali and do the shuffle or dance around ring but they can't do it as good as he does if they haven't practiced that style for years and years and aren't as naturally and athletically gifted as Ali was. Same applies to Mayweather. You can try to copy what Floyd is doing but that doesn't mean that it's gonna work for you. He has worked on his defense since he was a lil kid. His style of fighting developed over decades of hard work and discipline. In other words, you are wrong if you think you can do what he does. No one mentions anything about doing it as well as Floyd. Can you fight in the same style as Tyson? Sure as fuck you can. Can you do it as good as him? Hell no. People need to stop drinking paint.

As far as this thread. Dwiens, check out this highlights to get a lil teaste of Mosley's Combination of Speend and Power at his prime. Pay attention at 1:25..how quick he lands that punch, amazing.

...the second winky fight is the last tme is saw technique in shane... hes just haging in his diminshed skills and toughness now... I dont know... I thought he did a good technical job on Collazo.

Mayweather does that now. Prior to moving up in weight, he was far more offensive, still defensive, but not as he is now. I consider closing in distance, landing a shot and then getting out of range of danger part of defense as well. If you look at my post again, I edited it and added more to it. Also, if you watched his fight against Sharmba Mitchell, he was the agressor coming forward all night long. He applied pressure and eventually scored a bodyshot Ko. Against Judah in the late rounds he has done the same thing. Different style of opponents, different approach. If he goes up against somebody like Cotto, who is stronger then Judah or Mitchell, I'm sure he will use his feet to move around and potshot his way to victory. He will apply the jab....naturally.

The above is not true for all of his fights. He has done alot more then that in many fights. That is why he is a multi-dimensional fighter as opposed to a Pauli Malinaggi or Cory Spinks or Sharmba Mitchell. These guys do what you described above 100% of the time in every fight. Not the case with Floyd. Mayweather does that now. Prior to moving up in weight, he was far more offensive, still defensive, but not as he is now. I consider closing in distance, landing a shot and then getting out of range of danger part of defense as well.

im talking about having an exciting style. what the general public perceives boring from Mayweather is his refusal to exchange for more than 3 punches. He gets in range, pops and backs out of danger causing his opponent to reset. You're telling me Mosley, Cotto, the Marquez Brothers cant do that? What do all of these dudes have in common? They arent exuberant or outspoken. If they were to fight as defensively as mayweather, they would as well known as Ivan Caldenron. The above is not true for all of his fights. He has done alot more then that in many fights. That is why he is a multi-dimensional fighter as opposed to a Pauli Malinaggi or Cory Spinks or Sharmba Mitchell. These guys do what you described above 100% of the time in every fight. Not the case with Floyd. Now it's true that he is being more careful as he moved up in weight BUT that's because these guys are stronger then him. He uses what he has in the upper weights and that is Skill. What worked for Mosley at lightweight isn't working as well at 147 or 154 because his opponents got bigger and he didn't adapt. That's the difference between a Floyd and a Mosley.

I could. In fact, on the ropes, I do. The shoulder roll is not particular hard to do. What is hard about Floyd's style is the subtle little things he does to throw you off your game. And the sharpness, coolness and smartness under fire. I take it that when we talk about Floyd's style, we talk in general about the shoulder-roll defensive stuff!? In that case, most good fighters can learn how to fight that way. Alot of pretenders can get in the ring and act like Ali and do the shuffle or dance around ring but they can't do it as good as he does if they haven't practiced that style for years and years and aren't as naturally and athletically gifted as Ali was. Same applies to Mayweather. You can try to copy what Floyd is doing but that doesn't mean that it's gonna work for you. He has worked on his defense since he was a lil kid. His style of fighting developed over decades of hard work and discipline. In other words, you are wrong if you think you can do what he does.

prime mosley ruins cotto... a weak performance by shane got him a sd loss...

Oh my god... I have had one of the most draining weeks of my life working 2 jobs and having mid terms in all my classes. My first post made almost NO sense. I don't even remember writing most of it to be honest. Sorry guys... this was a lapse in good posting that I am hoping that I won't revisit very often.

If shane was 7 years younger he would've won by a one sided ud or possibly a late stoppage thats being generous to cotto...

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Do you think he would have lost to Cotto if he was 7 years younger? (29) If shane was 7 years younger he would've won by a one sided ud or possibly a late stoppage

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Do you think he would have lost to Cotto if he was 7 years younger? (29) No, at least not the Mosley who beat DLH in 2000. That's not really a knock on Cotto either. Shane was a hell of a fighter back then.

Do you think he would have lost to Cotto if he was 7 years younger? (29)

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mayweather is primarily known as a defensive fighter. thats why i said, "like mayweather". i'll be honest, i really didnt completely read Dwein's post because I assumed it was a perception of Mosley that I've thought about before which is that Mosley has the ability to protect himself more but he fights as if he is invincible. Is that what you were trying to relay Dweiny? relay? i am not dw? Idk what you mean (sorry, english not 1st language). Mosley discards defense I agree, he has the physical ability to fight to not get hit, but it looks like he never trained to do so (maybe a father-son effect? Honestly I think Mosley does not fight smart, and not just in terms of defending or not, more like he seems to not be prepared for adjustments, and that's more his corner's fault) so I am sure he could choose anymore, probably quite early in his career. It takes years to change one's style, look at RJ finding some kind of defense after his reflexes slipped. NOTE: In Winky 2 he definitely adjusted in between fights