For a superior boxer like JMM. Paquiao is heaven for a counter puncher with great skill like JMM. Paquiao's greatest wins are against mexicans out of their primes and on the downfall. With that said Morales still put a beating on him in the same fashion that JMM will. Paquiao gave all he had against JMM the first fight. Still wasnt enough. Outside of that first round Manny got a boxing lesson from JMM. If JMM comes out ready in that first fight he wins an easy UD. Paquiao has alot of heart I love the fact that when he gets hit his defense is to hit you back harder! its fun to watch. Paquiao is fast and strong but dont confuse that with skill. He lacks defense his only defense is his offense. This a rematch loooooong due and for good reason. Paquiao knows what he is going up against and that's a much superior boxer in JMM. Don't expect JMM to go down 3 times again in the first fight. This will be a continuation of how the last fight ended and JMM will come out victorious in impressive fashion. Expect paquiao to get countered to hell this saturday!
And no stupid remarks by you manny nut huggers. I listed nothing but facts about manny. I am not a big JMM marquez fan I'm just stating reality for manny!
Don't look further, his brother raphael, proved my point on how he won the first fight and then lost both the rematches vs vasquez.
That theory proves NADA! a point deduction lost marquez that fight. if marquez dont fall on the ropes in the last seconds he wins a split decision but he did. he lost the fight on the deduction not in the ring. he did more then enough to draw or win that fight. That's a horrible comparison by you marquez faught a very good fight.
You, sir, are a moron. Do you realize JMM is a 34 year old battle worn warrior? Do you have any idea how even a 29 year old (Paquiao) is considered old for that weight category? JMM won't go the full 12 rounds and it will be a massacre. JMM won't have speed nor stamina past round 6 if he gets that far.
Don't believe me? Check some statistics on how many championship fights were won by 34 year olds at that weight category vs 5 years younger top competition. Boxing is full of those examples. I'm not a JMM fan, i am more of a Paquiao fan but i think JMM should be retired. No way he can beat Paquiao now. Hey another interesting statistics: How many 30 year olds drawn vs younger opponents and then went to win rematches 5 years later.
Don't look further, his brother raphael, proved my point on how he won the first fight and then lost both the rematches vs vasquez.
you my sir are a moron and just made a fool of yourself with your little age theory. do you follow boxing? or just the big fights? You spent all that effort to point out marquez is an older aged fighter and how many 34 year olds actually win against people 5 years younger than them. you must not have watched the diaz fight this past weekend. Didn't a 34 35 year old man just beat a 24 year old undefeated champion....sir your theory has been thrown out the window. :kiss:
Nice......I'll make sure to Bump this thread after the fight.
Watch em say Marquez is old and beats up old fighters after March 16. At least unlike Juan Diaz, Pac KOes them as suppose to being beat by a Granpa. :biggthump
i think you're confused by floyd haters that talk down on his opponents. JMM might have been better in 04 but he is no where near washed up. They have both had their share of battles and wear and tear. Both fighters are capable of stopping eachother not one person has said JMM is old and that is the reason manny will win. Marquez is in good shape for this fight! Manny will struggle against a great boxer like marquez. If you watch the last barerra fight vs pac. Barerra was timing paquiao easily. He just didnt do it enough, he caught pacuiao almost everytime he felt like countering watch it again. Its like the only punches he landed were counters. Go ahead and bump this thread just dont forget to bump it if manny losses :fing02:
I wouldnt say he's heaven. Manny throws the 1-2 with speed and intensity unlike anyone in boxing. It's much harder to counter than it looks, even when he teleghraphs it. That's what killed Barrera, he never had an answer for the speed.
With that said, I'm leaning towards JMM, I just need to see the first fight again.
For a superior boxer like JMM. Paquiao is heaven for a counter puncher with great skill like JMM. Paquiao's greatest wins are against mexicans out of their primes and on the downfall. With that said Morales still put a beating on him in the same fashion that JMM will. Paquiao gave all he had against JMM the first fight. Still wasnt enough. Outside of that first round Manny got a boxing lesson from JMM. If JMM comes out ready in that first fight he wins an easy UD. Paquiao has alot of heart I love the fact that when he gets hit his defense is to hit you back harder! its fun to watch. Paquiao is fast and strong but dont confuse that with skill. He lacks defense his only defense is his offense. This a rematch loooooong due and for good reason. Paquiao knows what he is going up against and that's a much superior boxer in JMM. Don't expect JMM to go down 3 times again in the first fight. This will be a continuation of how the last fight ended and JMM will come out victorious in impressive fashion. Expect paquiao to get countered to hell this saturday!
And no stupid remarks by you manny nut huggers. I listed nothing but facts about manny. I am not a big JMM marquez fan I'm just stating reality for manny!
You, sir, are a moron. Do you realize JMM is a 34 year old battle worn warrior? Do you have any idea how even a 29 year old (Paquiao) is considered old for that weight category? JMM won't go the full 12 rounds and it will be a massacre. JMM won't have speed nor stamina past round 6 if he gets that far.
Don't believe me? Check some statistics on how many championship fights were won by 34 year olds at that weight category vs 5 years younger top competition. Boxing is full of those examples. I'm not a JMM fan, i am more of a Paquiao fan but i think JMM should be retired. No way he can beat Paquiao now. Hey another interesting statistics: How many 30 year olds drawn vs younger opponents and then went to win rematches 5 years later.
Don't look further, his brother raphael, proved my point on how he won the first fight and then lost both the rematches vs vasquez.
Nice......I'll make sure to Bump this thread after the fight.
Watch em say Marquez is old and beats up old fighters after March 16. At least unlike Juan Diaz, Pac KOes them as suppose to being beat by a Granpa. :biggthump
i second this....
Pac isn't the same fighter from 2004. Jab jab straight left. He actually uses the right hand & pretty effectively. He also goes to the body well with that same right. That's what broke Morales down in the second fight. This fight is going to be different from the first because JMM has lost a step or two since the fight & Pac is a more rounded fighter.
Oh yeah? Like what Jaca and Jandaeng did against Marquez? for a shame... :puppy_dog
Come fight night JMM's counter punches won't be enough to stop Pacman's assault.:boxing:
ye i think a peak pacquaio, who's trained right is almost unstoppable at super feather. it will probably be close at first wit pacquaio's work rate and sheer aggressiveness winning it for him later in the fight.
paquiao is a perfect fighter for JMM. Paquiao will be open all night for JMM counters. watch and see.
Oh yeah? Like what Jaca and Jandaeng did against Marquez? for a shame... :puppy_dog
Come fight night JMM's counter punches won't be enough to stop Pacman's assault.:boxing:
Did you guys forget barrera was almost out on his feet in that round where he caught marquez off balance right before the round. marquez beat up barerra. manny didn't have the chance to because barerra was a counter fighter that night. The barerra fight should have never happend i think it was just Golden boys and manny's manager making a fight for the payday since their legal battles had cost them some money so they made it up by puttting these two fighters together. you can see barerra had no will to fight he was just there to go twelve rounds. He even said in the interview after the fight he wanted to come out and show he can hang because most people said manny would ko him. I see marquez as the hungrier more skilled fighter right now. he has wanted to avenge his loss for 4 years now and manny has finally decided to do the rematch.It was a controversial win for Juan who many people thought Marco should've got the decision. LOL on the caught marquez off balance part. Manny on the otherhand beat Marco both in the inside and and outside exchanges. He even outcounterpunch the counterpuncher. It's people like you who give boxing a bad name. You're too biased and it affects your judgement and logical thinking.
Did you guys forget barrera was almost out on his feet in that round where he caught marquez off balance right before the round. marquez beat up barerra.
I agree that Marquez was winning the round big by that point, but no way was that an off-balance issue. Barrera caught him with a poster-esque right hand and sent Marquez down. Knockdown.
It's tough to say because Barrera came out to meet Marquez figuring Marquez to try and counter. Against Pacquiao, he wanted to counter. Pacquiao didn't expose himself because he knew Barrera was trying to set traps for him when he overextended himself.
The Barrera-Marquez fight was very exciting because both guys went to war immediately. I think Barrera came to fight more with Marquez because he didn't see him as much a threat with one shot where with Pacquiao he was trying to take it the whole 12 rounds.
Did you guys forget barrera was almost out on his feet in that round where he caught marquez off balance right before the round. marquez beat up barerra. manny didn't have the chance to because barerra was a counter fighter that night. The barerra fight should have never happend i think it was just Golden boys and manny's manager making a fight for the payday since their legal battles had cost them some money so they made it up by puttting these two fighters together. you can see barerra had no will to fight he was just there to go twelve rounds. He even said in the interview after the fight he wanted to come out and show he can hang because most people said manny would ko him. I see marquez as the hungrier more skilled fighter right now. he has wanted to avenge his loss for 4 years now and manny has finally decided to do the rematch.
Who looked better against Barrera last time out?
It's tough to say because Barrera came out to meet Marquez figuring Marquez to try and counter. Against Pacquiao, he wanted to counter. Pacquiao didn't expose himself because he knew Barrera was trying to set traps for him when he overextended himself.
The Barrera-Marquez fight was very exciting because both guys went to war immediately. I think Barrera came to fight more with Marquez because he didn't see him as much a threat with one shot where with Pacquiao he was trying to take it the whole 12 rounds.
Who looked better against Barrera last time out?
barrera fought differently on both fights. he knew he could go toe-to-toe w/ jmm and even knocked him down. i had mab winning on a very slim margin, but the fight couldve gone either way. mab only fought to hear the final bell in his pac rematch. he never slugged it out continously, always running after a few flurries. the fight w/ pac was more easier to judge than w/ jmm.
Whenever a rematch occurs, you look for signs in who has changed the most since the first fight. I've seen Pacquiao right hook Erik Morales to 2 KO losses and him pick his shots better against Barrera.
In the meantime, Marquez had a hard time with Jimrex Jaca, who is a watered down version of Pacquiao. Manny Steward even said that he wasn't sure that Marquez would beat Pacquiao after seeing Jaca land left hands almost at will. He went life and death with Barrera, a fight that should've been easier.
Marquez gets hit more than he used to. Maybe it's because he's slowed down or maybe he wants to make entertaining fights. I can think of better tendencies to enter a Pacquiao fight with.
I think if they fought in 2004-5, Marquez would have won. Pacquiao has been afforded an opportunity to improve and Marquez is getting hit a lot more than when he was younger.
Who looked better against Barrera last time out?
Whenever a rematch occurs, you look for signs in who has changed the most since the first fight. I've seen Pacquiao right hook Erik Morales to 2 KO losses and him pick his shots better against Barrera.
In the meantime, Marquez had a hard time with Jimrex Jaca, who is a watered down version of Pacquiao. Manny Steward even said that he wasn't sure that Marquez would beat Pacquiao after seeing Jaca land left hands almost at will. He went life and death with Barrera, a fight that should've been easier.
Marquez gets hit more than he used to. Maybe it's because he's slowed down or maybe he wants to make entertaining fights. I can think of better tendencies to enter a Pacquiao fight with.
I think if they fought in 2004-5, Marquez would have won. Pacquiao has been afforded an opportunity to improve and Marquez is getting hit a lot more than when he was younger.
For a superior boxer like JMM. Paquiao is heaven for a counter puncher with great skill like JMM. Paquiao's greatest wins are against mexicans out of their primes and on the downfall. With that said Morales still put a beating on him in the same fashion that JMM will. Paquiao gave all he had against JMM the first fight. Still wasnt enough. Outside of that first round Manny got a boxing lesson from JMM. If JMM comes out ready in that first fight he wins an easy UD. Paquiao has alot of heart I love the fact that when he gets hit his defense is to hit you back harder! its fun to watch. Paquiao is fast and strong but dont confuse that with skill. He lacks defense his only defense is his offense. This a rematch loooooong due and for good reason. Paquiao knows what he is going up against and that's a much superior boxer in JMM. Don't expect JMM to go down 3 times again in the first fight. This will be a continuation of how the last fight ended and JMM will come out victorious in impressive fashion. Expect paquiao to get countered to hell this saturday!
And no stupid remarks by you manny nut huggers. I listed nothing but facts about manny. I am not a big JMM marquez fan I'm just stating reality for manny!
I respect you for being an ardent JMM fan and I like JMM's toughness and superb counter punching myself . In fact Manny P. hurt his fist hitting JMM
the 3rd time that it slowed him down the stretch. When Manny P. was just
starting to like boxing as a very poor boy, he made use of coconut tree as punching bag with a pair of worn-out rubber slippers tied to it for cushion.He would have liked the tree to hit him so he could hit back to defend himself as you describe him.So the first JMM and MP fight had something to do with MP hitting and knocking out 3 times a coconut tree like JMM but hurting his fist.
JMM can teach all the boxing lessons to MP in the next fight except to depend himself and get knocked down. MP is an irresistible force and JMM is not an immovable object. and I think MP had complained of welts on his soles due to the lousy socks he wore during the fight. he said he bought the pair at Macy's " very cheap" and Made in China. He was being shortchanged then by his Promoter Murad Muhammad.These may have saved the day for JMM.So this is my prediction : If your JMM choose to slug it out with my MP, JMM will be knocked down in 3 different rounds and not all in the first round to avoid monotony. The last knock down will be a knock out.Amen!