Is Floyd Waiting For Cotto To Become Great?

pfffff he is waiting for cotto to get old and washed up. Won't Floyd get and washed up as well? Afterall, he is older then Cotto. Bad post.

This fight is not going to happen. With the mainstream attention that Floyd has, he dosent need this fight right now to prove anything. BS...this fight is going to happen unless Cotto loses one of his next fights.

Floyd is fighting Oscar because he'll make a lot more money, and Oscar doesn't have many fights left. He can do that and Cotto can keep building his resume since he's younger and has a lot left, so there's no rush to fight Cotto yet. If Cotto beats Gomez and Margarito/Cintron, the fight will happen. I can't think of any scenario where it doesn't unless Floyd just retires, but I really think the Cotto/May fight is coming after Cotto/Gomez and Cotto and the winner of Marg/Cintron.

Geez, people really love to talk about this situation, when it's not too hard to figure out. Floyd: would rather fight Oscar than Cotto because he can make more money there, it is probably an easier fight, and he's on better terms with GBP than Arum. Cotto: his team has stated they prefer Oscar because of the payday and exposure. Arum is on better terms with GBP than Mayweather. DLH and Schaefer: "If negotiations with Mayweather fall thru, we will fight Cotto". Instead of looking at it logically, people want to place blame and make excuses and whatnot. "Mayweather is scared" "Cotto is not worthy" Boxing fans have for years had to wait for their matchups to take place, and sometimes it never does. Hopefully it happens in early 2009. If both guys are still undefeated and Mayweather is the biggest fight out there for Cotto, and vice versa, and HBO starts pushing for the bout, we'll probably get our wish. Close Thread.

yes he is...once cotto gets a little bigger he'll fight him

This fight is not going to happen. With the mainstream attention that Floyd has, he dosent need this fight right now to prove anything. Exactly, floyd doesnt need to prove anything now that he signed a big fight w/ big show an he is top 3 already.

If you think about it, the main thing most detractors point out is that Floyd hasn't beaten any great fighters and if they were great then they weren't in their prime when he fought them. And if they were prime then they weren't much to begin with.....as in overrated. So could it be, that he is giving Cotto more time to establish himself not just as a very good young fighter who deserves a shot BUT a great fighter. Didn't Sugary Ray Leonard keep Hearns waiting for a long time and the perception was that Ray was duckin' him? But then Leonard's trainer said that they're just trying to make the fight bigger by milkin it and keeping people waiting? Wasn't the reward that much greater for Leonard? Which brings me to a similar situaiton with Margarito. Face-to-face, Floyd told Margarito that the fight will even be bigger if they wait. What Floyd meant was, just keep piling up victories and I'll meet you down the line when you're considered something like a great. Margarito didn't do that and flopped, P. Wiliams didn't do that. Had Floyd beaten a guy like Margarito, it only would have satisfied people for the time being. Historically, it wouldn't have meant much and 30 years later, when looking at Floyd record, people wouldn't have pointed out his great victory against The Most Feared Fighter Margarito. I think you know where I'm going with this So it's all up to Miguel Cotto now, can he beat Gomez and go on to unify titles with the Margarito/Cintron winner...OR...will he be just another guy like so many others (who claimed they're being ducked) and flop just when he is about to reach greatness. I don't think he is there yet and I think Floyd knows this too. You know.. There are very few fighters who are/were impressed with Miguel Cotto. Particularly Floyd Mayweather, who has picked against Cotto with Judah, and picked against Cotto with Mosley. Now, this isn't because of silly semantics.. Floyd really wasn't impressed. Cotto has beaten Judah and Mosley, and proven Floyd wrong on both occasions.. But I can assure you; Mayweather is perhaps only slightly more impressed, if at all. Why?

Yes pretty much I am saying that. And I don't know what 'crap' you're talking about. Floyd says hes the greatest, he will be under much criticism for that, and it should be expected. If he wants a better legacy, he needs to fight the best fighters and the best versions of them as well. I'm sure he could call out Ray Leonard right now since Ray's an all time great but it wouldn't mean anything. Fighting a prime Cotto is better for his legacy than fighting an inexperienced or a shot Cotto. Simple truth there. Mayweather fighting so rarely does not help his legacy either, truth there again. Hes the best fighter out there right now but if he wants a better legacy he needs to fight the best fighters and fight them when they're at their best and not shells of what they used to be. Cotto is at his best BUT he is not great. Reread the original post of this thread. Is Floyd waiting for Cotto to become Great? I think he is and in 09 if both still undefeated, we will see this fight imo. No excuses about either guy being past prime. End of story.

they did not offer cotto a fight or call him out that's bonified bullshit stop making shit up. Clearly I can't prove that Cotto's people turned a fight down since all the negotiating happens behind closed doors. The thing is, at 140, both Floyd and Cotto were promoted by Bob Arum. He could have made that fight but didn't because he had two undefeated fighters and didn't wanna ruin either one. But regarding Floyd never calling out Cotto, here it is: Mayweather Jr. Challenges Tszyu, De La Hoya and Cotto By David Mayo MIAMI - Floyd Mayweather Jr. spouted off little about fighting Henry Bruseles tonight, but loudly challenged everyone from Oscar De La Hoya to Kostya Tszyu. Through it all, always present, always watching from somewhere in the room, was Miguel Cotto. Cotto’s turn is coming. And if Arturo Gatti continues to balk at negotiating for a June fight with Mayweather, Cotto’s time could come sooner than expected. Next month in an 11,000-seat Puerto Rican arena, Cotto returns to action. Among the other things Mayweather said and Cotto heard within the last couple of days is that he’s interested in moving to Puerto Rico. If the two-time former champion gets a move-on, and relocates in time for Cotto’s next fight, he could become a what-might-have-been witness to his own career, circa 1998-99. Mayweather was supposed to be Cotto. Instead, he has become Cotto’s validation ticket. Mayweather will see this a little bit differently, of course. And with good reason. Thirty-two professional fights without a defeat, and only one of those even close, doesn’t quite do full justice to the depth of his boxing acumen. I have known him since he was 10 years old, covered his three National Golden Gloves titles, attended his Olympic fights, and covered his professional career. He has been too sound, for too long, to discount against Cotto. But there are so many obstacles in front of him that he can’t possibly determine a career direction until first coming to a complete halt. That basically is what has happened during his career-long 245-day layoff which ends tonight. And it is will happen again after this fight, until resolution of his misdemeanor assault trial next month in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The trial in Mayweather’s hometown was scheduled for Dec. 16, but he didn’t show up in court until 11 days later. He pleaded guilty to contempt, had his bond doubled, and had his trial rescheduled. That isn’t as bad as it could have been. But now Gatti’s promoter Main Events is looking at Mayweather’s possible 93-day jail sentence in February, then looking at his August felony domestic battery trial in Las Vegas, and questioning how a June fight will work. Promoting a major pay-per-view event requires time - not doing time. Mayweather can squawk about Gatti’s reluctance, if that’s what it turns out to be, all he wants. But if Gatti petitions the World Boxing Council and is granted a delay on his mandatory defense pending resolution of Mayweather’s legal situation, a direct precedent exists in Mayweather’s career. During Mayweather’s entire reign of three-plus years as WBC 130-pound champion, his mandatory contender was Jesus Chavez. But Chavez was under a deportation order and could not enter the U.S. Rather than forcing Mayweather to leave the country to fight. Chavez, the WBC granted him an ongoing waiver until Chavez’s situation cleared up. Finally, in 2001, in his ninth and final 130-pound championship bout, Mayweather fought and defeated Chavez - the only time he ever faced his top-ranked challenger. So Bob Arum stood before the assembled media this week, promotionally provocative as ever, and proclaimed this 140-pound era much like the 1980s Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Leonard dynamic. Except those guys all fought each other. Today’s sensational 140-pound crop includes universally recognized champion Kostya Tszyu (31-1), his next challenger Ricky Hatton (38-0), Mayweather (32-0), and Cotto (22-0). Gatti (38-6), resurgent recently, has a big following, and adds steam to boxing’s best division. It all sounds great until the socio-political stuff factors in. Tszyu fights for Showtime. Mayweather, Cotto and Gatti all fight for HBO. It’s a highly unusual situation that the smaller of the two subscription-cable boxing giants holds sway over a division populated by so many of the larger network’s fighters, but that is the position. "I would love to fight Kostya Tszyu,” Mayweather said. “If the money's right, I'll go to Russia to fight him. I just want to show I'm the best. But with HBO and Showtime, I know it's going to be hard to make the fight." Mayweather’s first order of business is a June pay-per-view fight with Gatti, which is a long, long way from a done deal. He would like Tszyu after that, unless Oscar De La Hoya wants to rumble. Mayweather still craves that fight, though De La Hoya consistently has remained three weight divisions heavier. But if De La Hoya drops back to welterweight as advertised, they will be separated by just one division and seven pounds. "It's part of history. My uncle's a two-time world champion, we've got a lot of controversy with my dad and my uncle, two fighters from the same family, one training the Golden Boy (Floyd Mayweather Sr.) and one training the Pretty Boy (Roger Mayweather). It's a fight I think should be made,” Floyd Jr. said. "I know at the end of the year, it's going to be me and Oscar. We've got to get it on. He can't keep ducking and dodging." De La Hoya has said on several occasions that he never will fight his trainer’s son. If Mayweather is trying to convince De La Hoya otherwise, you might think he would try a little sweet talking. But that is against Mayweather’s nature, and De La Hoya surely understands why, considering how much time as he has spent with Floyd Mayweather Sr. With De La Hoya still relatively fresh off his fourth loss, on a body-shot knockout by Bernard Hopkins, Mayweather couldn’t resist a verbal shot to the ribs. “Hopefully, we can fight at the end of the year, and when me and Oscar fight, he don't quit like he did with Bernard Hopkins,” Mayweather said. “Me being a true champion, I think I'm going to retire undefeated. But if I do go out, I'm going out on my back. That's how a true champion's got to go out." So Mayweather wants Tszyu, but television contracts keep them apart. He wants Gatti, but the legal situation has made negotiations balky. He wants De La Hoya, but Oscar has taken a firm stance against fighting him. Cotto can fight Gatti, but why would Top Rank make a fight in which its man gets a substantially smaller percentage of the pie, when it could make Mayweather-Cotto instead? Gatti-Mayweather is the immediate plan. But Top Rank is taking a close look at this, and seeing this backup solution: Mayweather-Cotto in a pay-per-view clash this summer, instead of Gatti-Mayweather. Then, if Cotto wins, make a pay-per-view mega fight against De La Hoya in late 2005. “Cotto needs a couple more tune-ups. Right now he’s a little too green,” Mayweather said. Those words come from a man with few other options if: A) His legal situation puts him on ice; or, B) Main Events uses the legal situation to protect Gatti’s burgeoning franchise from the risk of a Mayweather fight. First up for Mayweather is Bruseles, a 21-2-1 (13) native of Caguas, Puerto Rico, same hometown as Cotto. Both are trained by Cotto’s uncle, Evangelista Cotto, and they sparred 40 rounds in training camp. Cotto says Bruseles has a chance, but of course he’s going to say that. They have known each other since they were boys. "A lot of people look at Henry Bruseles as a pushover,” Mayweather said. “I don't look at anybody as a pushover. How do guys get known? They come in and upset top guys. I'm not letting some guy come in and upset me." "Henry Bruseles, he's not going to win, but he might fight the best fight of his life. Miguel Cotto, because styles make fights, I might go out there and clip him quick. You never know how the fight game goes." You sure don’t. The big design to the next two weeks, with HBO telecasts of Mayweather-Bruseles tonight and Gatti-James Leija next week, is prelude to Gatti-Mayweather. But with Plan A possibly on tilt, Mr. Plan B himself was watching closely here, soaking in the scene which soon will surround him. Roger Mayweather said he considers Tszyu the true champion, but thinks Cotto actually would be his nephew’s most difficult fight at 140 pounds. As he watched the buzz circulate, Cotto was asked this week if he considers himself Mayweather’s new chief nemesis. A broad grin crossed his face. "We’re rivals,” Cotto said. “Mayweather is a star of the sport and we’re in the same company. Mayweather was a great champion at 130 and 135. We don’t know about 140. When the company says the time is right to make the fight, I’ll fight him. I think it's a good fight. I know Mayweather's a great fighter. But I know I can beat him." http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/1585/mayweather-challenges-tszyu-hoya-cotto/ As you can see, Cotto wasn't sure about fighting him at 140 and said that's it up to the company. And Floyd was much easier to deal with back then under Arum's control. The fight could have happened. Instead Arum kept Cotto away from Floyd while Floyd moved up and fought Judah. After that Floyd buyed his contract with Top Rank out to go after Delahoya and Arum offered Margarito to Floyd for 8million even though he could have done just the same with Cotto.

This fight is not going to happen. With the mainstream attention that Floyd has, he dosent need this fight right now to prove anything.

So what you're saying is that there is only a small window of oppritunity for Floyd to take this fight and get the best of Cotto or else he won't get any credit? Cotto wasn't ready at 140 and he might not be ready in 09 if he happens to be in any tough fights because his ring age will start showing. I swear the crap thats being put out on these threads is unbelievable. You need to babying Cotto like he is some soft egg that's about to crack. Fact is, Cotto is about to fight Gomez. Floyd is out of action until September and it's not out of question that he could lose against Oscar. Still, that leaves Cotto with time to beat Gomez, try to unify titles with the Cintron/Margarito winner and make a stronger case for a fight against Floyd in 09 if both of them come out victorious this year. That's all there is to it........plain and simple Yes pretty much I am saying that. And I don't know what 'crap' you're talking about. Floyd says hes the greatest, he will be under much criticism for that, and it should be expected. If he wants a better legacy, he needs to fight the best fighters and the best versions of them as well. I'm sure he could call out Ray Leonard right now since Ray's an all time great but it wouldn't mean anything. Fighting a prime Cotto is better for his legacy than fighting an inexperienced or a shot Cotto. Simple truth there. Mayweather fighting so rarely does not help his legacy either, truth there again. Hes the best fighter out there right now but if he wants a better legacy he needs to fight the best fighters and fight them when they're at their best and not shells of what they used to be.

I think that it's mostly strategy. Floyd beating Oscar again makes him more marketable. He takes a little bit of Oscar's equity, making him more marque. Moreso than if he fights and beats Cotto. Secondly he makes more money fighting Oscar than fighting Cotto right now. Moreover if he fights Cotto now it wouldn't be as big as it would be down the road and there wouldn't be anything left for him.

Well then he was rather inexperienced. Now hes probably at his best and its possible he'll get even better although after a couple of more fights he may start slipping a bit. It depends on the punishment he takes and how he takes care of himself. So what you're saying is that there is only a small window of oppritunity for Floyd to take this fight and get the best of Cotto or else he won't get any credit? Cotto wasn't ready at 140 and he might not be ready in 09 if he happens to be in any tough fights because his ring age will start showing. I swear the crap thats being put out on these threads is unbelievable. You need to quit babying Cotto like he is some soft egg that's about to crack. Fact is, Cotto is about to fight Gomez. Floyd is out of action until September and it's not out of question that he could lose against Oscar. Still, that leaves Cotto with time to beat Gomez, try to unify titles with the Cintron/Margarito winner and make a stronger case for a fight against Floyd in 09 if both of them come out victorious this year. That's all there is to it........plain and simple

I guess Cotto should have taken the fight at 140lb when Floyd's camp offered it to him if Cotto's ring age is a concern. they did not offer cotto a fight or call him out that's bonified bullshit stop making shit up.

I guess Cotto should have taken the fight at 140lb when Floyd's camp offered it to him if Cotto's ring age is a concern. Well then he was rather inexperienced. Now hes probably at his best and its possible he'll get even better although after a couple of more fights he may start slipping a bit. It depends on the punishment he takes and how he takes care of himself.

Floyd should just retire.

It is partly his problem if he wants a better legacy. He is a shoe-in for the hall of fame and all time great, although not too high. Beating a prime Cotto would be beneficial for him. He is older than Cotto although I'm not sure his ring age will be. Cotto takes alot more punches. I guess Cotto should have taken the fight at 140lb when Floyd's camp offered it to him if Cotto's ring age is a concern.

Is that Floyd's problem? He has already established himself as a first- ballot hall of famer and an all-time great. He is older then Cotto and being inactive as he is, hurts him as well. It is partly his problem if he wants a better legacy. He is a shoe-in for the hall of fame and all time great, although not too high. Beating a prime Cotto would be beneficial for him. He is older than Cotto although I'm not sure his ring age will be. Cotto takes alot more punches.

I'm just going to address this one for now. I agree with you but there is a large chance that with Cotto's style he is going to get wear and tear on his body and start to slip as a fighter. . Is that Floyd's problem? He has already established himself as a first- ballot hall of famer and an all-time great. He is older then Cotto and being inactive as he is, hurts him as well.

3. If Cotto goes through Margarito/Cintron and unifies he will be great and beating him will mean much more then just money and satisfiying peoples thirst to see Floyd lose. Right now, that's not the case. I'm just going to address this one for now. I agree with you but there is a large chance that with Cotto's style he is going to get wear and tear on his body and start to slip as a fighter. He gets cut quite a bit lately, rocked, dropped in his career a few times, and takes some flush shots. Margarito and Cintron will just add to the damage. Cotto might win but he won't come away unscathed. And if he loses, stylistically Margarito is quite possibly very tough for him so thats a big reason but then Mayweather won't fight him because he lost although he would possibly present a harder fight if he isn't slipping. Would be similar to Ali not fighting Frazier again after Foreman destroyed him.