The Roy Jones Debate

___________________________________________________________ Benn would have had a great chance of beating Nunn cause Nunn left his chin hanging out a lot ,and with Nigel Benn over hand rights & his ability to throw punches blind their is a chance he could of tagged Nunn with a big shot id still favour Nunn in his prime but Benn would have had a great chance against him Stylistically ,i think Benn has a better chance against him than Eubank personally allthough Eubank did have that chopping right hand I just think Nunn would have to much for him ,the jab etc i think Toney would have made Benn & Eubank Look awfull personally ,if Eubank started leading to Toney he would get the shit countered out of him with the bad technique he had when leading to his oponents ,u would have seen a few shoulder rolls from Toney and then him coming back with that right hand ,i also think he would do a Barkley on Benn aswell i think Benn style would slightly puzzle Jones for a few rounds but Benn chin would eventually let him down when Jones started hitting him with sharp clean punches id also give Eubank less chance of beating Jones than Benn aswell based on styles it might sound strange to say that but it is'nt a coincidence that nearly every Elite fighter has very sound technique with exception of Pacman of coarse ,him being a Southpaw might be a big factor as to why he is allowed to get away with it & the fact that he can pucnh pretty hard I also think Nunn would have out-pointed Eubank and Toney would have out-pointed and stopped (or knocked out) Benn. No question. I think Benn would have knocked out Nunn and Eubank would have out-pointed Toney.

What's with this 'they'? Anyway, 6 rounds with Benn at his best (160 + Galvano) is too many rounds for Jones to escape (though this is fantasy). And Benn would have destroyed a backpedaling Nunn. It doesn't matter how fast you move, Benn in his prime will catch you. Eubank would have only won the first 4 rounds against Jones. Hopkins? I hadn't even heard of him until he fought Felix Trinidad. Eubank had a TERRIFIC stiff jab, a Eubank-Toney fight would 100% depend on whether Toney could read it to avoid and counter because otherwise he would be grinided down. Nunn, Eubank, Toney and Jones were all excellent boxers and it's just a shame we didn't see them in with eachother more. ___________________________________________________________ Benn would have had a great chance of beating Nunn cause Nunn left his chin hanging out a lot ,and with Nigel Benn over hand rights & his ability to throw punches blind their is a chance he could of tagged Nunn with a big shot id still favour Nunn in his prime but Benn would have had a great chance against him Stylistically ,i think Benn has a better chance against him than Eubank personally allthough Eubank did have that chopping right hand I just think Nunn would have to much for him ,the jab etc i think Toney would have made Benn & Eubank Look awfull personally ,if Eubank started leading to Toney he would get the shit countered out of him with the bad technique he had when leading to his oponents ,u would have seen a few shoulder rolls from Toney and then him coming back with that right hand ,i also think he would do a Barkley on Benn aswell i think Benn style would slightly puzzle Jones for a few rounds but Benn chin would eventually let him down when Jones started hitting him with sharp clean punches id also give Eubank less chance of beating Jones than Benn aswell based on styles it might sound strange to say that but it is'nt a coincidence that nearly every Elite fighter has very sound technique with exception of Pacman of coarse ,him being a Southpaw might be a big factor as to why he is allowed to get away with it & the fact that he can pucnh pretty hard

I do get bitter seeing an obviously slowed down Toney get outclassed by Roy. That was not James Toney at his best. The weight was killing him. The thing is, I don't think it would have mattered. Roy would have always beaten Toney. He could have just moved and pot shotted. Toney has a good jab, but he is at his best when he sets his feet and gets in a rhythm. I just don't see him doing that against Roy. I agree, Jones would have beaten Toney even if Toney wasn't weight drained. Jones would throw his jab and move to his right to avoid Toney's counters and win a pretty comfortable decision.

i know but jus how he lost made it worse for him and he could of fought alot more great fighters to get his legacy better but its to late now i doubt he will be top p4p of all time and he shudnet stil be fighting as it is. He probably won't be remembered as one of the top Pound for Pound fighters in history because of who he wouldn't or couldn't fight, or who couldn't or wouldn't fight him but his resume still is pretty strong, not as weak as some would have you believe. He was also a very good fighter and could take a decent punch in his prime, his reflexes were unbelievable, he had the rare blend of speed and power.

Toney was/is a classical boxer - Roy was/is so unorthodox I think he would have been tough for Toney at any time at any weight. Jones throws punches at odd angles and is very fast while he is doing it. The weight was perfect for Jones (I think he was at his best at supper middle) and it may have been tough for Toney - but I think that was and is more a conditioning and discipline problem he has. That is part of the game too - you come in with a tough time making weight you are not as good - look what happened to RJJ his own self.

A lot of fighters lose fights they're not supposed to. i know but jus how he lost made it worse for him and he could of fought alot more great fighters to get his legacy better but its to late now i doubt he will be top p4p of all time and he shudnet stil be fighting as it is.

i dont think they woudl have been underrated if They had fought guys like Nunn ,Toney.Hopkins, RJJ who would have denied them their Star Status with wins against those guys What's with this 'they'? Anyway, 6 rounds with Benn at his best (160 + Galvano) is too many rounds for Jones to escape (though this is fantasy). And Benn would have destroyed a backpedaling Nunn. It doesn't matter how fast you move, Benn in his prime will catch you. Eubank would have only won the first 4 rounds against Jones. Hopkins? I hadn't even heard of him until he fought Felix Trinidad. Eubank had a TERRIFIC stiff jab, a Eubank-Toney fight would 100% depend on whether Toney could read it to avoid and counter because otherwise he would be grinided down. Nunn, Eubank, Toney and Jones were all excellent boxers and it's just a shame we didn't see them in with eachother more.

I do get bitter seeing an obviously slowed down Toney get outclassed by Roy. That was not James Toney at his best. The weight was killing him. The thing is, I don't think it would have mattered. Roy would have always beaten Toney. He could have just moved and pot shotted. Toney has a good jab, but he is at his best when he sets his feet and gets in a rhythm. I just don't see him doing that against Roy.

"Roy Jones too steroids so nothing he accomplished is legit." This is just silly - we have been through this - but here goes. Besides the Richard Hall fight and Roy admission of using "ripped fuel" the evidence I have seen has boiled don to - he didn't do as well after BALCO and He looked really ripped and muscled - no one could look that ripped naturally. You are entitled to day what you want - but discounting a boxer who was the one of - and likely best - boxer of the 1990's because of rumor - I just don't see it.

Thats the problem :P not a very gd legacy and it was ruined when he lost them 3 fights when he shudnet of but overall he did great defo a hofer but never a top 10 p4p of all time sad but true. A lot of fighters lose fights they're not supposed to.

Interesting. I always thought it was the other way round, that Eubank (and also Nigel) was (and is/are) underrated by boxing fans and the boxing fraternity, down to jealousy. i dont think they woudl have been underrated if They had fought guys like Nunn ,Toney.Hopkins, RJJ who would have denied them their Star Status with wins against those guys

i just wonder if Roy's China would have held up against Heavy Hitters like Mclelland & Benn who always managed to land at some point. dont u mean chanderlier? lol i cant believe glen koed roy that ruined roy same with tarver.

Good post. Not much more to add to it. Thats the problem :P not a very gd legacy and it was ruined when he lost them 3 fights when he shudnet of but overall he did great defo a hofer but never a top 10 p4p of all time sad but true.

You not gettin involved? Honestly... the topic has exhausted me... the hate fest that went on this weekend... just utterly wowed me... not even so much the opinion for or against roy... but the hate and name calling towards me, just because I like roy... Also these guys know more about benn, eubank, mclellan etc etc then i do..

Interesting. I always thought it was the other way round, that Eubank (and also Nigel) was (and is/are) underrated by boxing fans and the boxing fraternity, down to jealousy.

keep up the good work my fellow debaters You not gettin involved?

I see it as a skill the way Eubank could land from out of range and get his chin out of harms way (he only needed to do that against movers). He had great flexibility. It looked weird, but it was effective as shit. Sure, he moved like a robot, but that's because his form was so much better than every other fighter and he used to inspire a lot of people in their martial arts training because of this. Those things are what made him elite. I do think gifted, fluid fighters who could mix in plenty of body shots with either either hand, like McCallum and Toney, would out-work Eubank and beat him over the distance. For sure. dont get me wrong i like Eubank & Benn i grew up watching them ,i just feel that i need to readdress the balance sometimes because i think to many British posters mistake popularity & rivalry for greatness we will have to agree to disagree but i honestly could'nt see Eubank beating prime Fighters like Nunn,Toney ,McCallum ,RJJ ,Hopkins i just dont see him as Elite very good but not Elite ,thats just my humbel opinion though :beerchug:

keep up the good work my fellow debaters

I see it as a skill the way Eubank could land from out of range and get his chin out of harms way (he only needed to do that against movers). He had great flexibility. It looked weird, but it was effective as shit. Sure, he moved like a robot, but that's because his form was so much better than every other fighter and he used to inspire a lot of people in their martial arts training because of this. Those things are what made him elite. I do think gifted, fluid fighters who could mix in plenty of body shots with either hand, like McCallum and Toney, would out-work Eubank and beat him over the distance. For sure.

Malinga beat Benn clearly both times, I agree. Benn just couldn't get past his long left jab. Eubank beat Malinga with an awful lot of ease and had him all over the place with the KD at the end of round five. Eubank's mind was elsewhere for obvious reasons. Jones's KD of Malinga was quite spectacular, but the performance wasn't so s-p-e-c-t-a-c-u-l-a-r. His wide win over Toney was quite spectacular, but the performance wasn't so s-p-e-c-t-a-c-u-l-a-r. Eubank was doubling his jab so fast against Wharton you couldn't even detect it, and he was jumping in with unreal combinations from early in the fight right the way through. How Henry stayed on his feet for those 12 rounds and kept coming I'll never know. Hard as fucking nails. listen i understand what your saying and agree in some ways but Toney is an Elite fighter who is very cagey and makes very few mistakes & he happens to be one of the best defensive fighters of the last 10 years or maybe more ,It is obvious that Eubank would be inclined to pick a lot of counters up facing a guy like Wharton who walks in without Jabbing is slow as hell & who basically notihng special at all Toney is no bum