Lets take an in depth look. Ive been home sick all week so i have lots of time.
Alfonso Gomez is 18-3 (8 KOs). His only losses are to Ishe Smith, Jesse Feliciano, and Peter Manfredo. He only fought a four rounder against Smith in what was just his 2nd pro fight and he was deducted a point. Its very hard to win a 4 rounder when you are deducted a point. It would have been a draw or a Gomez win had the point not been deducted. Then he lost to Feliciano, whom he also beat and had a draw with. The same Feliciano who gave Kermit Cintron hell in his last fight. As far as the Manfredo loss, Gomez went toe to toe with a Super Middleweight and went 1-1 against him. Gomez has recently picked up some good wins against Arturo Gatti and Be Tackie. I dont know about you guys, but I was shocked when he did that to Gatti. I know Gatti was over the hill, but I just thought well here is an easy win for Gatti before he leaves the sport. Then he destroyed Gatti in impressive fashion. I think Gomez is a better fighter than people give him credit for.
Joshua Clottey is 33-2 (19 KOs). His only 2 losses were against Margarito and Carlos Baldomir. Against Margarito he was doing very well until he injured his hand and couldnt fight effectively anymore. Against Baldomir we was doing very well also but was DQd for fighting with his head. Clottey had a very good win over Diedo Corrales, but Chico was jumping up 2 weight classes and coming off back to back losses. I pretty much knew the outcome of that fight before it happened. Since then Clottey has won two lackluster fights against Flores and Alvarez.
I would say as far as their resumes go, they are about even, probably a slight edge for Clottey. You could argue an edge for either fighter I guess.
While Clottey has been winning lackluster fights, Gomez has been winning exciting fights.
Gomez has a much larger fan base than does Clottey. Gomez is the bigger name.
I think that Alfonso Gomez is a decent opponent for Miguel Cotto. Especially to set up a possible Margarito bout. Gomez has a pretty big name, and the Puerto Rican-Mexican rivalry will already start before Cotto-Margarito.
I just feel people would settle for a Cotto-Clottey fight, but bash Cotto for fighting Gomez. I think Gomez is a better fight to take at the moment than would be a Clottey fight. I consider Gomez and Clottey about even based on their accomplishments, and Gomez is the bigger name, and probably the easier fight, im not going to lie.
my man, clottey is the number one contender. He earned the shot, lets be honest man, cotto is taking a easier fight, he needs a bit of a break. i can understand, but fight clottey man.. clottey is dangerous..
dont compare clottey to gomez.. clottey was fighting decent contenders man. Most with winning records lately.
gomez is fighting over the hill veterans which is the easy way out bro. get ur facts straight man..
u are on cottos nuts. its people like you who make me want cotto to lose man. i like cotto as a figher, hes good for the sport, but just because HE chooses to fight an easier fight, dont discredit clottey for his accomplishments.. clottey is a good fighter and earned that shot. Hed beat cintron for sure.
I love how on this forum if you defend or like a fighter you are "on their nuts"
Im not on anybodies nuts. Cotto is my favorite fighter. His nuts belong to him, I have my own nuts.
Your man Clottey? Get what facts straight? Huh man? Huh bro? man bro man? Clottey has fought decent contenders lately, like 3 of them. I was talking about his early career, why he has so many wins. So get your facts straight bro man bro. What are Clottey's accomplishments? He hasnt done anything. Neither has Gomez. They are about equal in accomplishments, that why i made this thread. Why fight Clottey now? It doesnt make sense either. Clottey didnt earn his shot at Cotto. Hes Cintron's mandatory idiot, not Cotto's. Cottos mandatory is a bum. I would prefer Cotto-Gomez. I think Cotto-Gomez will be more exciting than Cotto-Clottey. I think Cotto-Gomez is a better set up for a possible Cotto-Margarito fight.
that would be easy ass whupping. by the way b-hop on his 3rd straight top ten pound 4 pound fighter
bernard should fight those p4p fighters at their best weight
joshua clottey and the reason is simply he did not come from the contender, lol no dis-respect to gomez but clottey has faced better opp. we all agree to that, i think
clottey is better imo he has a very good defense but gomez has been fighting middleweights for the majority of his career.if hopkins would fight manfredo no one would complain
that would be easy ass whupping. by the way b-hop on his 3rd straight top ten pound 4 pound fighter
clottey is better imo he has a very good defense but gomez has been fighting middleweights for the majority of his career.if hopkins would fight manfredo no one would complain
my man, clottey is the number one contender. He earned the shot, lets be honest man, cotto is taking a easier fight, he needs a bit of a break. i can understand, but fight clottey man.. clottey is dangerous..
dont compare clottey to gomez.. clottey was fighting decent contenders man. Most with winning records lately.
gomez is fighting over the hill veterans which is the easy way out bro. get ur facts straight man..
u are on cottos nuts. its people like you who make me want cotto to lose man. i like cotto as a figher, hes good for the sport, but just because HE chooses to fight an easier fight, dont discredit clottey for his accomplishments.. clottey is a good fighter and earned that shot. Hed beat cintron for sure.
Cotto aint gonna get Mayweather by fighting actual contenders that the general public aint heard of remember? Beating Mosley wasnt enough. Floyd and his disciples want Cotto to raise his marketing stock right? So why not fight a contender "star" who the general ESPN public actually knows, then Margarito who the HISPANIC public knows and then Mayorga who the HBO Boxing plublic knows? whats wrong with that?
my man, clottey is the number one contender. He earned the shot, lets be honest man, cotto is taking a easier fight, he needs a bit of a break. i can understand, but fight clottey man.. clottey is dangerous..
dont compare clottey to gomez.. clottey was fighting decent contenders man. Most with winning records lately.
gomez is fighting over the hill veterans which is the easy way out bro. get ur facts straight man..
u are on cottos nuts. its people like you who make me want cotto to lose man. i like cotto as a figher, hes good for the sport, but just because HE chooses to fight an easier fight, dont discredit clottey for his accomplishments.. clottey is a good fighter and earned that shot. Hed beat cintron for sure.
Gomez gets Cotto more exposure which Floyd and his groupies keeping claiming is the reason Cotto isnt getting a shot at Floyd, he just doesnt bring in the PPV #'s. Cintron, Quintana, Clottey...hardly anyone from the General public really knows who they are. Yeah they've come out on HBO but so has Gomez and Gomez made quite an impression retiring an old heroe not to mention that Gomez also has had exposure through ESPN. So by using the Floydian logic, this is a good fight that helps him on the way to Mayweatherland. For further detail, click this laaaaank
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163410
I feel that Gomez is gonna get smashed by Cotto. IF the fight was with Clottey, I think Clottey makes it a lil interesting at the beginning but would def lose by Ko or a majority decision.
Clottey is the better fight for Cotto, but Gomez is much more of an attraction and sets up his next fight with Margarito..
BTW is Cotto's belt on the line when he takes on Gomez?
that why i wish they have him fight margarito already stop with the b.s.ing
I feel that Gomez is gonna get smashed by Cotto. IF the fight was with Clottey, I think Clottey makes it a lil interesting at the beginning but would def lose by Ko or a majority decision.
Clottey is the better fight for Cotto, but Gomez is much more of an attraction and sets up his next fight with Margarito..
BTW is Cotto's belt on the line when he takes on Gomez?
I was comparing them to the guys Clottey fought early in his career. There is no comparison what-so-ever. Look up the guys Clottey was fighting. Clottey did beat the great Abbas De Souza 0-1 (0 KOS) from some weird African country i never heard of tho. And i cant forget his win over the equally great Karl Taylor who sported a flashy record of 14-29-3.
Anyone can build a good record against bums liek the guys Clottey fought. Thats what i was saying. Gomez was matched tougher. And the Manfredo fight, you dont find it somewhat impressive he went toe to toe with a supermiddleweight?
Guys get shots at titles all the time that dont deserve them. This is nothing new. Cotto deserves a shot at Mayweather, not De La Hoya. Look at the guys people defend their titles against. Its just teh way boxing is. I dont like it, but thats how it is.
i agree with you that they both fought some bums. looking good losing is still losing in my book. clottey is the number 1 contender for the belt. gomez is like berto to me is not they turn yet. gomez is not even in oscar league. should floyd be fight him no but that is all about the money? that's it
are these guys really that good? are you serious? how you get to fight for a belt with less than 20 wins and it not like he running thru his competiton or undefeated
boxer: Peter Manfredo Jr
Global ID 18537
sex male
birth date 1980-11-26
age 27
manager/agent register
division super middleweight
rating 15 / 808
nationality United States
alias The Pride Of Providence
residence Pawtucket, Rhode Island, United States
birth place Providence, RI, USA
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″
US ID RI058979
won 28 (KO 13) + lost 5 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 33
boxer: Jesse Feliciano
Global ID 78383
sex male
birth date 1982-09-20
age 25
manager/agent Tony Feliciano
manager/agent register
division welterweight
rating 29 / 1286
nationality United States
alias El Rayo
residence Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
birth place Los Angeles, CA, USA
stance orthodox
height 5′ 9″
reach 67“
US ID NV061048
won 15 (KO 9) + lost 6 (KO 4) + drawn 3 = 24
biography
boxer: Ishe Smith
Global ID 43999
sex male
birth date 1978-07-22
age 29
manager/agent Greg Leon
manager/agent register
division light middleweight
rating 69 / 1018
nationality United States
alias Sugar Shay
residence Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
birth place Las Vegas, NV, USA
birth name Ishe Oluwa Kamau Ali Smith
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″
reach 71“
US ID NV058600
won 19 (KO 9) + lost 2 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 21
biography
I was comparing them to the guys Clottey fought early in his career. There is no comparison what-so-ever. Look up the guys Clottey was fighting. Clottey did beat the great Abbas De Souza 0-1 (0 KOS) from some weird African country i never heard of tho. And i cant forget his win over the equally great Karl Taylor who sported a flashy record of 14-29-3.
Anyone can build a good record against bums liek the guys Clottey fought. Thats what i was saying. Gomez was matched tougher. And the Manfredo fight, you dont find it somewhat impressive he went toe to toe with a supermiddleweight?
Guys get shots at titles all the time that dont deserve them. This is nothing new. Cotto deserves a shot at Mayweather, not De La Hoya. Look at the guys people defend their titles against. Its just teh way boxing is. I dont like it, but thats how it is.
Feliciano, Smith, and Manfredo
are these guys really that good? are you serious? how you get to fight for a belt with less than 20 wins and it not like he running thru his competiton or undefeated
boxer: Peter Manfredo Jr
Global ID 18537
sex male
birth date 1980-11-26
age 27
manager/agent register
division super middleweight
rating 15 / 808
nationality United States
alias The Pride Of Providence
residence Pawtucket, Rhode Island, United States
birth place Providence, RI, USA
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″
US ID RI058979
won 28 (KO 13) + lost 5 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 33
boxer: Jesse Feliciano
Global ID 78383
sex male
birth date 1982-09-20
age 25
manager/agent Tony Feliciano
manager/agent register
division welterweight
rating 29 / 1286
nationality United States
alias El Rayo
residence Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
birth place Los Angeles, CA, USA
stance orthodox
height 5′ 9″
reach 67“
US ID NV061048
won 15 (KO 9) + lost 6 (KO 4) + drawn 3 = 24
biography
boxer: Ishe Smith
Global ID 43999
sex male
birth date 1978-07-22
age 29
manager/agent Greg Leon
manager/agent register
division light middleweight
rating 69 / 1018
nationality United States
alias Sugar Shay
residence Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
birth place Las Vegas, NV, USA
birth name Ishe Oluwa Kamau Ali Smith
stance orthodox
height 5′ 10″
reach 71“
US ID NV058600
won 19 (KO 9) + lost 2 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 21
biography
I agree that Gomez isn't a cake walk like some are thinking, but I think Clottey would be the better opponent for Cotto. If the two were to fight I would pick Clottey over Gomez in a close fight where Gomez would apply the pressure, but Clottey would land the more effective and clean punches.
clottey style is similar to winky. claim to fame is winning more than 20 damn fights? two of the lost were not right. and i'm not made at cotto for fight gomez, i think he needs a easier fight.. but the bad thing is i think anybody has a chance against cotto, its just can you finish him off once he's hurt
Look at Clotteys fights until his fight with Richard Gutirrez (a fight I thought Clottey lost). Look at the guys he won against. Having more than 20 wins against them guys is a claim to fame? He was fighting absolute bums. While Gomez was fighting guys like Feliciano, Smith, and Manfredo. What a stupid statement you made, Seriously that the best you could do? Look up Clottey's oppnents. Im sure many fighters could have over 20 wins against that comp.
The Contender didn't make Gomez famous that is bullshit. Fuck the Gomez fight is what it is and that is a keep busy fight. No need to try and hype this fight. I don't like this fight or the PBF rematch fight. Both are wastes of time. I agree with you on Clottey getting tired but Clottey is better than Gomez easily.