I dont think Quintana is all that great but I wouldnt be shocked at all if he won this fight. Not because Williams sucks or anything because I do think he's a beast but I also think styles make fights.
I had a debate similar to this last night with some guys when I said that I could see Zab beating Williams. The reason is because he is a Southpaw. Williams has that freakish height, length, and work rate but what makes him great is that he combines all that with him being southpaw and it just throws guys off way too much. Thats why I think he has a good chance against Floyd. I dont care nothing about that other stuff. If it was just about his height & work rate then Floyd would still easily beat him but the trouble is that he combines that with being a Southpaw.
However, Southpaws also have problems with Southpaws because there not use to seeing them either. Thats why you have guys like Spinks killing everyone but then he runs up on a guy like Zab and none of his moves worked that well at all against Zab. I told the guy last night that I wouldnt even be shocked if Zab stopped him. He said that I was crazy because Zab doesnt have crazy power and Williams just went 12 rounds with Margarito. I pointed out to him that Spinks beat a super power puncher in Mayorga after going 12 rounds with him, beat a very strong guy in Karmazin while going 12 rounds with him, and went 12 rounds with a MW Taylor in a fight that alot of people think he won. None of them dropped him but theyve decapitated a ton of other guys. Taylor even dropped Pavlik. However, Spinks was dropped by Zab in the 1st fight and KO in the 2nd fight. Why? Because he has just as much problems with Southpaws as orthodox fighters do.
Williams killed Mitchell in like 4 rounds but in those 4 rounds he was still hit clean a ton by a shot Mitchell. I could see Zab giving him some real trouble. I put Quintana in that same boat since he's a Southpaw, has some solid D, and has some solid power. I wouldnt be shocked at all if Williams destroyed him but I also wouldnt be totally shocked if Quintana pulled the upset or atleast make him work very hard for the win. The only problem I have with Quintana is that I think this is his 1st fight since Cotto. Is that true? If so then I think thats a bad idea. They shouldve gave him some confidence back 1st
Im not saying Quintana wins, im saying 4-1 will sound rediculous after the fight.
I really think Quintana has a realistic shot at this fight.
But watch me say all this and then have Williams blow him out in 4 rounds. lol
And its not like Williams is a STRONG big guy. He's really tall and has a freakishly long reach, but he's not strong enough to bull Quintana around the ring. Williams does that to opponents with his high punch output. We'll see how it plays out, i think Quintanas jab will be effective early but Williams will get past it by rounds 4 or 5.
booooom! 4-1 sounds OUTRAGEOS right now eh?
I was expecting the first 4 rounds do go like they did, but i was almost sure Williams would get his groove and start pounding away. It never happened. Quintana was way to discaplined
Agreed.
But good god man. Quintana's defense is suspect and I'd hazard to guess he's used to being the big guy at his weight. Williams dwarfs him, and that's scary.
Im not saying Quintana wins, im saying 4-1 will sound rediculous after the fight.
I really think Quintana has a realistic shot at this fight.
But watch me say all this and then have Williams blow him out in 4 rounds. lol
And its not like Williams is a STRONG big guy. He's really tall and has a freakishly long reach, but he's not strong enough to bull Quintana around the ring. Williams does that to opponents with his high punch output. We'll see how it plays out, i think Quintanas jab will be effective early but Williams will get past it by rounds 4 or 5.
don't bet homie, These guys make enough from me buying their fights and thats enough. No need to bet, did you see the quintana vs soleyman fight,? He owned that boy, same will happen to paul. Not defensive? Are you insane. Watch this will be another joel Julio like victory if not by knock out early
LOL scared to take the bet? how bout 5k
Williams has never fought a guy with the boxing skills or the jab that Quintana has. Keep that in mind.
Agreed.
But good god man. Quintana's defense is suspect and I'd hazard to guess he's used to being the big guy at his weight. Williams dwarfs him, and that's scary.
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don't bet homie, These guys make enough from me buying their fights and thats enough. No need to bet, did you see the quintana vs soleyman fight,? He owned that boy, same will happen to paul. Not defensive? Are you insane. Watch this will be another joel Julio like victory if not by knock out early
Williams has never fought a guy with the boxing skills or the jab that Quintana has. Keep that in mind.
And im not picking Quintana, but i think the odds should be a lot closer then 4-1
No, No I don't think he has a shot.
he's by no means a defensive specialist and will get hit clean. How is he going to deal with that machine gun attack for 12 rounds?
I'm not sold on his chin either.
He'll get hit with numbers, and fall down beat up.
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You guys act like Paul has done SOOO much in his time boxing. Quintana has more experiance against alot more experianced fighters. Please Quinrtana all the way
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You guys act like Paul has done SOOO much in his time boxing. Quintana has more experiance against alot more experianced fighters. Please Quinrtana all the way
On the same token, a lot of Quintana's success is his ability to use angles and his slick southpaw stance against orthodox fighters, well he loses that advantage agains a freak southpaw like Williams. It's a nice thought, but Quintana doesn't have the physicality to take over against Williams, doesn't hit hard enough, etc. I thought Sharmba caught Williams with some bombs, right hook if I recall and Williams didn't even blink... that's a big problem for the Q and props to Q for taking this fight when many other Welters wouldn't think of it.
yeah but my original post on this thread was about that exact same thing the opposite way. Alot of Williams advantages about being a slick southpaw could be neturalized by Quintana. Like you said, Mitchell did catch him but he also was shot, not a real WW, and he wasnt even a big puncher at 140. Quintana on the other hand has a ton of KO's at WW and while he may not be some huge puncher, he still has some nice pop that could shake Williams from the Southpaw stance
Not at all, I like him but not to the extent some in here hypoe him to be. He's a good boxer but he's no Mayweather, he doesn't punch real hard, and he aint a great body puncher.
He's just good, but certainly not a guy that will blow out Quinatan or even knock him out like some are saying. Also Quintana has pretty good boxing skills and surprising pop, this will be a great, entertaining fight.
It will be interesting to revisit this after the fight then. I do respect Quintana as a valid contender and a test for PW.
On the same token, a lot of Quintana's success is his ability to use angles and his slick southpaw stance against orthodox fighters, well he loses that advantage agains a freak southpaw like Williams. It's a nice thought, but Quintana doesn't have the physicality to take over against Williams, doesn't hit hard enough, etc. I thought Sharmba caught Williams with some bombs, right hook if I recall and Williams didn't even blink... that's a big problem for the Q and props to Q for taking this fight when many other Welters wouldn't think of it.
My thoughts exactly. Quintana is gonna get worked.
He might but I really doubt it, its that reach that williams has that is gonna be the problem. Its gonna be hard for quintana to get in close and land something.
Doesn't sound like you think very much of Williams then, lol.
Not at all, I like him but not to the extent some in here hypoe him to be. He's a good boxer but he's no Mayweather, he doesn't punch real hard, and he aint a great body puncher.
He's just good, but certainly not a guy that will blow out Quinatan or even knock him out like some are saying. Also Quintana has pretty good boxing skills and surprising pop, this will be a great, entertaining fight.
On the same token, a lot of Quintana's success is his ability to use angles and his slick southpaw stance against orthodox fighters, well he loses that advantage agains a freak southpaw like Williams. It's a nice thought, but Quintana doesn't have the physicality to take over against Williams, doesn't hit hard enough, etc. I thought Sharmba caught Williams with some bombs, right hook if I recall and Williams didn't even blink... that's a big problem for the Q and props to Q for taking this fight when many other Welters wouldn't think of it.
Williams is a good fighter with no special skill, this will be a real close fight and Quinatana has a great shot at beating Williams.
Doesn't sound like you think very much of Williams then, lol.
I just can't see Quintana pulling off the upset in this fight. I think he gets outworked by Williams high punch out put, and maybe stoped mid to late rounds. I'll say nine for the hell of it. Quintana would need to catch Paul with a clean shot, but even then I don't think he has the power for the KO of Williams. But to answer the OP yes everyone has a Shot.
Williams is touted as the next great fighter becase of his hight/reach and activity level but his best win so far is Margy so he is stil untested vs the best. While Quinana isnt the best he is still way better than most opponents Williams has faced.