i hear crap like "they don't improve skills" and shit like that to excuse the cheating.
there's a reason the drugs are banned for competitive athletes. of course you need talent and skills but it still helps.
Here's one example of Deca/Nandrolone.
http://www.steroid.com/Durabolin.php
NPP, and nandrolone in general, has a number of benefits for athletes; it increases levels of serotonergic amines in the brain, these chemicals contribute to aggressive behavior, this could help athletes to train harder and improve speed and power.4 Nandrolone also increases levels of IGF-1 in muscle tissues.(5) This may be another way that makes nandrolone highly anabolic. NPP also benefits the athlete by increasing the number of androgen receptors (AR) one study showed that nandrolone given to rats at a dosage of 6mg/kg of bodyweight combined with muscle functional overload (muscle functional overload gives a similar effect to resistance training) had a 1,300% (!) increase in AR protein concentrations. (6) There is a direct link to muscle growth and AR levels. NPP also seems to be a promising fat loss agent, men given the drug had reduced levels of subcutaneous (under skin) adipose(fat) tissue, visceral (gut) fat loss was not as good however.(7) The fat loss effect seems though to be dose dependant, in one study NPP at a daily dose of 1, 4, or 10mg per kg of bodyweight the 10mg dose had the greatest effect on fatloss, thus displaying a dose respondant curve with NPP(8). The more you use, the more results you´ll get, with regards to this drug.
NPP is used to treat anemia by stimulating red blood cell production,(1) and an increase in RBC count can improve endurance during exercise via better lactic acid clearing and oxygen delivery. The blood is also better enabled to carry nutrients to muscle tissue to aid in repair, administration also increases the rate of muscle glycogen repletion after exercise helping the athlete dramatically improve recovery after strenuous physical exercise.(9) Athletes who require a high level of endurance in their chosen sport can benefit from the use of NPP.(15) A favorite with bodybuilders who suffer with sore joints, NPP can also improve collagen synthesis (10), which may improve joint function and alleviate joint pains. Many members of steroid.com swear by nandrolones ability to allow them to train in comfort.
PEDs are prevalent in just about all professional sports. Athletes are risking their career and reputations for a reason....I doubt it's simply a placebo effect.
I should name Joe blow like you did to further support my claims.
That's pretty much what you were doing.
At any rate, steroids haven't been proven to improve a boxer.
that doesn't mean that cheating should be written off, just because it hasn't been "proven".
those guys who i named getting caught, and others whom we suspect of it, surely they must have thought it would help them if they put their reputations at risk by doing it.
fighters wouldn't keep doing it if it didn't give them an edge, whether physical or mental.
either way, cheating is cheating.
He was out cold long before he hit the floor. Morrison does have a glass jaw, just look at his fights against Purrity, Ruddock, Bentt, Lewis, well just about any of his fights.
Morrison ran out of gas but that's not because of steroid use (steroids actually help your stamina) but because he has too much muscle. I guess it could be contributed to steroid use but it's not entirely because of that.
Tommy was wiping the floor with Mercer and he threw lots of punches but Mercer took them all.
I'm sure just about anyone would get gassed after throwing so many punches.
....There were some quotes from Mercer saying that Morrison hit him harder than he was ever hit and he was literaly nearly shitting his pants. He said that every time Morrison hit him with a big body shot he inadvertantly passed gas.
Ok, so pick 6 exceptions to the rule. Congratu-fucking-lations.
Alot of the heavies juiced.
Lewis
Tyson
Morrison
Holyfield
...and the list goes on and on.
ahh, getting pissy that i disproved your humorous claim that "the only guys that have really taken steroids are the heavyweights"?? :rofl:
tyson and lewis are simply speculation.
just because heavyweights are more prone to doing it (or getting caught), it doesn't mean shit.
it's an unfair advantage and shouldn't be written off because it doesn't in itself improve skills.
Only three of those guys were top fighters at the time.
that has nothing to do with your laughable claim that only heavyweights juice.
steroids didnt help from Mosley getting his ass beat by Vernon forrest....twice.
Or never helped Vargas against DLH.
Or helped Roy against Tarver.
Wasn't 2003 the time when Mosley fought Forrest?
And Vargas was caught for steroids right around the time he fought DLH.
That really right there...proves what roids do to you.
nobody says steroids is an automatic victory.
it's an unfair advantage, not an assurance of victory.
It's not that great for boxing because boxing is a SCIENCE. Steroids dont help you see the openings. Steroids dont help you get a better jab. They may help with physical attributes like muscle, chin, toughness (basically your ability to sustain a power punch) but they are not all that and a bag of chips, IMO.
Besides, the only guys that have really taken steroids are the heavy's. And the heavy's are a totally different ball game and require a totally different skillset to win fights.
orlando salido
richard hall
shane mosley
fernando vargas
joey gilbert
mariano carrera
roy jones
all of these guys have failed steroid tests with the exception of mosley, who later said he took steroids (unknowingly) in 2003.
Yeah, steriods can't make you a better boxer IMO
it allows you to train harder, longer, and recover faster.
say one guy can train for a certain amount of time but has to stop to rest his body.
the other guy can train longer and improve his muscle memory which is important in boxing.
Morrison got all that extra bulk from steroids. He had just finished filming the Rocky movie with Stallone and was no doubt juicing up with him. If you watch the fight you see that Morrison started to tire badly well before he was hurt. Either the steroids helped his stamina or they made him too muscular. You can't have it both ways.
Steroid use helps your stamina but having too much muscle doesn't.
Steroids can also help you gain muscle but using steroids doesn't mean that your stamina becomes worse. Gaining too much muscle means your stamina becomes worse.
Steroid use doesn't mean you will gain lots of muscle, just look at James Toney.
Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield, Fernando Vargas and Roy Jones have all been caught of steroid use but I wouldn't say their stamina is bad. Actually it was better because of it, they just kept their steroid use reasonable unlike Morrison who gained too much muscle.
...when do you have fighters at the same skill level bro? Very, very rare. They may be evenly matched but rarely on the same skill level. If ever.
Depends on your definition of "same". By "same", I just mean evenly matched fighters. One fighter not overmatched against the other. The key strengths of their skillsets may differ, but their respective armories make them more or less equal. A pick-'em fight, in other words.
It's not that great for boxing because boxing is a SCIENCE. Steroids dont help you see the openings. Steroids dont help you get a better jab. They may help with physical attributes like muscle, chin, toughness (basically your ability to sustain a power punch) but they are not all that and a bag of chips, IMO.
I think the point Thread Stealer is trying to make is - why do some seem to consider this sound reasoning for making steroid use seem excusable? Steroids don't make a boxer, but the physical 'benefits' they offer -- as detailed by you in the latter part of text quoted above -- can give one man the edge in a bout between two evenly matched opponents.
So, this...
It's very rare to have fighters at the same skill level dude.
...though arguable, isn't especially germaine a point. Since we're discussing a matter of sporting principle.
He was out cold long before he hit the floor. Morrison does have a glass jaw, just look at his fights against Purrity, Ruddock, Bentt, Lewis, well just about any of his fights.
Morrison ran out of gas but that's not because of steroid use (steroids actually help your stamina) but because he has too much muscle. I guess it could be contributed to steroid use but it's not entirely because of that.
Tommy was wiping the floor with Mercer and he threw lots of punches but Mercer took them all.
I'm sure just about anyone would get gassed after throwing so many punches.
Morrison got all that extra bulk from steroids. He had just finished filming the Rocky movie with Stallone and was no doubt juicing up with him. If you watch the fight you see that Morrison started to tire badly well before he was hurt. Either the steroids helped his stamina or they made him too muscular. You can't have it both ways.
It's not that great for boxing because boxing is a SCIENCE. Steroids dont help you see the openings. Steroids dont help you get a better jab. They may help with physical attributes like muscle, chin, toughness (basically your ability to sustain a power punch) but they are not all that and a bag of chips, IMO.
Besides, the only guys that have really taken steroids are the heavy's. And the heavy's are a totally different ball game and require a totally different skillset to win fights.
that's pretty stupid to say..
if you got fighter A and fighter B who both have the same skill level but fighter B is juicing.. who has the advantage?
No, he totally ran out of gas. If it was a glass jaw he wouldn't have stood up to that bad of a beating.
He was out cold long before he hit the floor. Morrison does have a glass jaw, just look at his fights against Purrity, Ruddock, Bentt, Lewis, well just about any of his fights.
Morrison ran out of gas but that's not because of steroid use (steroids actually help your stamina) but because he has too much muscle. I guess it could be contributed to steroid use but it's not entirely because of that.
Tommy was wiping the floor with Mercer and he threw lots of punches but Mercer took them all.
I'm sure just about anyone would get gassed after throwing so many punches.
Morrison fell apart against Mercer because he had a glass jaw.
No, he totally ran out of gas. If it was a glass jaw he wouldn't have stood up to that bad of a beating.