Why didn't Calzaghe ever fight Roy Jones Jr.?

Joe is scared, that's why. why did you send me red karma and tell me i'm stupid, but not reply in this thread? It's my opinion, why do you have to be such a negative jerk about it.

LOL Post the link to it then dude, i was quoting an piece of the article that somebody posted on the previous page. the whole thing is posted a page or two back.

Joe is scared, that's why.

there it is: LOL Post the link to it then

there it is: "I think that Roy Jones is the best fighter pound for pound in the world today. I think John Ruiz would have destroyed any other light heavyweight in the world." "I'm a big Roy Jones fan and to be honest, he's the only guy in the world that I really don't want to fight. He seems to be the perfect fighter and you just can't hit the guy. Look at what Jones did to Richard Hall who then fights Dariuz Michaelczweski and bashes him up for 11 rounds. I like to watch Jones fight and see his moves. He carries an aura that he takes into the ring with him. It's 100 percent confidence and he knows he's going to win. You can tell that he doesn't take his talent for granted though because he obviously trains very hard and keeps in tremendous shape."

Calzaghe came onto the world scene in 97' after defeating Chris Eubank for the Super Middleweight Championship. Roy Jones Jnr was already in the light heavyweight division at this point and went on an 8 year run of fighting questionable opposition. Jones Jnr then fought Tarver (Still at light heavyweight) and struggled to a points victory. He then fought him again and was knocked out. Don't let peoples nationalistic views blind the facts.

Prime Roy whoops Calzaghe's ass anyday of the week.

How about I continue to tell the truth? The interview he is quoting does not exist. That is a fact. I have read the interview in which he claims this was said, and funnily enough, it wasnt. As for the article to which you refer in Ring magazine, it is an extract from his book, also called No Ordinary Joe by some sort of odd coincidence, that I own and have read a number of times. He doesnt say he has avoided fights that were damaging to his health, he said he would never subject himself to a war just to say that he has been in a war. What this means is that if a fight descended into a war, so be it, but he would never make it one just to proudly proclaim he was in a war with whatever fighter. Dont try and tell me the oppisite of what I have already read and already know, it makes you look foolish and immature. Dude, what are you talking about--it was on Fight News. Get over it, man. Calzaghe said he never had any intentions of fighting Jones, this was int he summer of 03. Why get worked up about it? Because YOU claim he never said that? I read it with my own eyes and laughed. Woulda taken it seriously but, come on, who the hell was Joe Calzaghe in 2003? Sh*t, the guy hadn't fought anyone Sven Ottke hadn't handled already.

"I'm a big Roy Jones fan and to be honest, he's the only guy in the world that I really don't want to fight. He seems to be the perfect fighter and you just can't hit the guy. Look at what Jones did to Richard Hall who then fights Dariuz Michaelczweski and bashes him up for 11 rounds. I like to watch Jones fight and see his moves. He carries an aura that he takes into the ring with him. It's 100 percent confidence and he knows he's going to win. You can tell that he doesn't take his talent for granted though because he obviously trains very hard and keeps in tremendous shape." **********.com would like to thank Joe and Enzo Calzaghe, as well as Mr. Frank Warren and Richard Maynard for making this article possible. Direct all comments and questions for Curtis McCormick to thomaspointrd@aol.com Ouch, ownage is so sweet at night.

I stopped reading this thread when the poster said Joe ducked Sven Ottke. There is also no way this fucker ever saw Das Phantom 'fight'. I've googled 10 or so small snippets from the quotes and can't get find the article, how about you??

I stopped reading this thread when the poster said Joe ducked Sven Ottke. There is also no way this fucker ever saw Das Phantom 'fight'.

"Hopkins has the option of fighting light middleweights, middleweights or moving up to my weight division. I think he shocked everybody when he said that he wanted to fight James Toney at cruiserweight. I would have thought super middle would have been a far more sensible weight class to move up to, but maybe he thinks Toney is a slower fighter and he'd have more of a chance. Maybe he doesn't want to fight a fast guy and I'm very fast. I know it was a long time ago, but look at how Roy Jones beat Hopkins. As far as I'm concerned, he did that one handed. Jones just out boxed him. I think that Roy Jones is the best fighter pound for pound in the world today. I think John Ruiz would have destroyed any other light heavyweight in the world." "I'm a big Roy Jones fan and to be honest, he's the only guy in the world that I really don't want to fight. He seems to be the perfect fighter and you just can't hit the guy. Look at what Jones did to Richard Hall who then fights Dariuz Michaelczweski and bashes him up for 11 rounds. I like to watch Jones fight and see his moves. He carries an aura that he takes into the ring with him. It's 100 percent confidence and he knows he's going to win. You can tell that he doesn't take his talent for granted though because he obviously trains very hard and keeps in tremendous shape." Hopkins is a particularly bitter subject for Enzo Calzaghe, due to statements about his son made by the undisputed middleweight champion. "Hopkins is nothing," said Enzo. "He's a 38 year old man. What makes Bernard Hopkins pound for pound best fighter in many of the media's eyes? Beating Felix Trinidad? That's it, is it? Well, we're crying out to fight Mr. Hopkins. We're crying out to fight him because we would beat him from one side of the ring to the other. Hopkins talks big but talk is cheap, very cheap. He's trying to box at cruiserweight for a quarter of the money he would have earned if he had fought Joe. Now why is that? He's scared stiff to fight Joe Calzaghe. He knows that it would be a good payday but he would be retired by that fight. He would take a beating like he never took in his life and he knows that." "I'm going on about Hopkins because of a simple reason. He puts a lot of baloney in the papers and hides behind false statements. Things like, Joe doesn't belong in the ring with him or that Joe hasn't boxed anyone yet. If a fight with Joe and Hopkins ever happens, the day of the fight I will tell Joe off if he knocks Hopkins out. I want him to take the guy and just smack him for 12 rounds because I hate fakes. Hopkins was offered four million English pounds to fight Joe and he still wouldn't take it, so what's the crack? If Joe doesn't belong in the ring with him then that four million pounds should be pocket money. According to Hopkins, he could just come and collect it, so what's the big deal?" According to their website, the fight with Byron Mitchell will mark the seventh time that a Calzaghe match will be screened on Showtime in America, due to Frank Warren's deal with the giant subscription cable network. There have been at least a few fights of Calzaghe's that have not been shown however, during the lifetime of the Warren-Showtime deal. While Joe's last fight, against hopelessly outmatched last minute replacement Tocker Pudwill last December, wasn't aired due to Showtime already having spent it's boxing budget for the year, the Calzaghe's feel that they aren't a priority in Showtime's plans. "I think that's it a very complex situation," said Joe. "We feel that they've shown other British boxers more although if that is the case, then it could very well be financial in nature." "Most of the other British fighters featured on Showtime hold lesser titles than my WBO belt and the TV companies, if given the opportunity, will put on fights that cost them less rather than to have on a genuine world champ like myself who's going to get paid much more. Frank Warren has taken very good care of us, ensuring that we're well paid for our efforts and the TV companies want a champion like myself to fight a decent fighter if they're going to fork over that kind of money. Situations occurred in my last two fights that caused me to be in the ring with guys, Jimenez and Pudwill, that shouldn't have been there. For the Jimenez fight, I had been scheduled to fight Antwun Echols but he pulled out before signing the contract." Joe Calzaghe is banking on the idea that a win over Mitchell will help him get the defining fights that he, Enzo and Frank Warren have been working so hard to make happen. "I want to fight the top ten pound for pound fighters that are near my weight class as well as the best in my division," he said. "The only way to do that is fight respected fighters and former champions and go in there and do a job on them basically. Hopefully doing that against Mitchell on Saturday night will open up a big fight for us in America. I told Frank Warren that I really want to go to America after this fight. To be fair, I feel that I haven't really been shown that much on American television. I've had 35 fights and as far as I know, only 3 or 4 were broadcast on Showtime. Because of that, people can't make up a true assessment of me because they haven't really seen me. Over here in Britain, they've seen me win everything in the amateurs and win everything as a pro. One of my early Showtime fights, against David Starie, was my worst fight ever and anyone who saw that wouldn't really have seen what I'm all about. Everyone has bad fights at times, even the best fighters. I've just turned 31 and am at the peak of my powers, so it's now or never and I really want to go to America. I hope to go there after putting on a good performance against Mitchell, and fight the best fighters I can there." **********.com would like to thank Joe and Enzo Calzaghe, as well as Mr. Frank Warren and Richard Maynard for making this article possible. Direct all comments and questions for Curtis McCormick to thomaspointrd@aol.com

show me where. Joe Calzaghe: Midnight at the Crossroads of his Career By Curtis McCormick June 28, 2003; On the eve of the biggest match of his career against former two time world champion Byron Mitchell, British boxing sensation Joe Calzaghe speaks to **********.com in an exclusive interview that examines the past, present and future of his sterling career. **********.com also had the great fortune to speak with Joe's legendary trainer, his father Enzo Calzaghe, as well as Frank Warren, Europe's biggest promoter, who handles Joe's career through his promotional company, Sports Network. You will not want to miss a word of this thought provoking article as **********.com continues to deliver the best fighters the world has to offer. Joe Calzaghe, 35-0 (28), is one of the most accomplished boxers the UK has produced in recent memory. An unparalleled British amateur career has led directly into thirty five consecutive professional victories. Since winning his WBO Super Middleweight belt in 1997 over Chris Eubank, Calzaghe has defended the title a staggering 12 straight times. Not one of those 12 matches was a non title affair. Only one of those 12 opponents had less than 20 victories (Branko Sobot 14-1) and only two had more than 4 losses (Juan Carlos Gimenez 49-8-3 and Charles Brewer 37-8). Looking statistically at Calzaghe's last 13 opponents (includes Eubank to the 12 referenced above), a cumulative record of 378-33-6 (219) develops. That's a 92% win percentage, and averages out to approximately 29-3 (17) a fighter. Calzaghe's last 13 opponents were themselves stopped a total of 9 times in 417 collective fights. The pride of Newbridge, Wales produced 7 stoppages from those same 13 fighters, in just 13 fights. 5 of the 7 stoppage victims had never been stopped previously. Before fighting Calzaghe, the 13 had participated in 59 respectable (Legitimate world, European, Commonwealth, British, USBA, NABF) title fights. Statistics aside, certainly not all of the 13 opponents mentioned above were world class, but Robin Reid, Ritchie Woodall, Brewer, Eubank and David Starie were. A few of the remaining were late replacements or tune-up opponents, but Omar Sheika, Juan Carlos Gimenez, Rick Thornberry and Miguel Jimenez were all solid fighters when they fought Calzaghe. Despite these accomplishments, many in the American media point to the fact that Calzaghe has yet to fight a current world title holder as "proof" that the WBO champion is a pretender to the super middleweight throne. This assertion doesn't sit well with Joe's father and trainer, Enzo. "I can pick up an American boxing magazine and I never see a glimpse of Joe's name in one," he said. "It's like he doesn't exist. It's all just American boxers and I can't understand it. Joe doesn't even get rated in the top 15 pound for pound worldwide rankings in American magazines. We don't hear anything when Joe does a number on American fighters." "What I really get upset about America is that the media won't accept Joe and his accomplishments. It's a sad story, but Joe's going to end up retiring without a bit of respect from America, I can see it coming. If he does a number on this guy Mitchell, what are they going to say? That he lost to Sven Ottke and was finished anyway? Joe is 35-0, made 12 title defenses and has boxed whomever they put in front of him. We're not moaners and groaners, we get on with our work, but we are so very frustrated by how America ignores Joe." In direct contrast to an often voiced theory that Calzaghe has avoided or been reluctant to face his top competition, such as Ottke, Eric Lucas, Antwun Echols as well as Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins, Calzaghe's promoter Frank Warren has for years spent a great deal of time and effort trying to get Britain's longest reigning titleholder a defining match with such fighters, as he relates some of his recent attempts. "First off, with the Hopkins situation, we did a conference call with Don King, Hopkins, Showtime and myself," said Warren. "We had agreed to terms for a fight between Joe and Hopkins. The following day Hopkins came back and said that he wanted double the money that he had agreed to the day before." "We've been trying to make a fight with Sven Ottke for quite awhile. In fact, we were willing to go have Joe go to Germany, where he was originally going to fight on July 14th. I was speaking with Ottk'e agent, Denny Mancini, and he said that Joe and Ottke would fight different opponents on the same card and the winners of the two fights would then fight each other at a later date. One of the problem's I've since found out about why we couldn't get that together, is that when Byron Mitchell fought Ottke, Wilfred Sauerland (Ottke's promoter) gave away any American TV rights to Don King. So, if I were to make the fight between Joe and Ottke, I would be expected to give the American TV rights to Don King, which I wouldn't do because obviously I've got a deal with Showtime." "Regarding the fight with William Joppy, again I had agreed to terms with Don King and the fight was going to take place. Then Don King rang me and said that Joppy no longer wanted the fight. That's the reason Byron Mitchell is in now and I believe the only reason Mitchell is now fighting Joe is because he lost his title to Ottke. Otherwise, I don't think we'd be seeing this fight." Of all the fights that have yet to come off for Calzaghe, he's most frustrated by the ones with Hopkins and Ottke. "Obviously, fighting Hopkins would be a dream for me," he said. "Personally, I am convinced that I would knock Hopkins out. Unfortunately, someone else, like James Toney, is probably going to do it instead of me. I think that Hopkins was ripe to be beaten and that was the plum fight for me. Hopkins is still a big name and I think he is quite good at what he does, but I think that he's somewhat one paced and don't actually rate him as that great a fighter. I think with my hand speed, I would have caused him much trouble and I think that's the reason he wouldn't fight me." "He was going to take the fight with James Toney for much less money than he was asking for fighting me. I think that tells you he didn't want to fight me. I would have been too busy, too awkward and had too much handspeed as well as being a southpaw. I think I would have overwhelmed him. He's a good fighter in his own right and in the end he's going to do what he wants to do and fight who he wants to fight. I'm disappointed, but the thing is, everybody wants a piece of Hopkins because he beat Trinidad."

look, if you've read the article that I'm citing (which you also said doesn't exist), why don't you post it, because I've been looking for it for a long time and haven't been able to locate it. I have nothing against Calzaghe, and I don't blame him for being relieved that Jones moved to heavyweight, because I wouldn't want to have to fight a pre 2003 Roy Jones either. I don't blame anyone for being reluctant to fight him. But to turn around after he shows some weakness and claim that you knew all along that you could beat him and make it seem like he was ducking you is smalltime. Calzaghe and Warren are notorious for calling people out with non-starter demands in an attempts to make it look like they are trying to make fights. Just like when he was calling Jones (the undisputed light heavyweight champion) down to fight him for his WBO super middleweight title in Wales. If you don't like the truth, that's fine, but it doesn't mean it isn't the truth.

lol lol. You owned yourself buddy, Calzaghe himself admitted not long before Jones lost that he wanted no part of him. show me where.

Peroxide... Let me ask you this. What if the interview does exist? What if it is almost word for word as portrayed in this thread? What if I am looking at the interview right now? Do you back off on this ridiculous idea that Calzaghe was dying for a fight with Jones and just couldn't get it? Do you feel like an asshole? How about in Ring Magazine (article entitled No Ordinary Joe) where Calzaghe said he has avoided fights that would be damaging his health? Peroxide... how about this. Rather than try to create an alternate reality. Live in this reality and react to it. from the first post it was clear that you didn't have a clue about this situaation. then to try and argue with a calz nut hugger giving bullshit facts is just stupid. he is quite aware of what joe has said since joe is his idol. anyway he made you look stupid.

How about I continue to tell the truth? The interview he is quoting does not exist. That is a fact. I have read the interview in which he claims this was said, and funnily enough, it wasnt. As for the article to which you refer in Ring magazine, it is an extract from his book, also called No Ordinary Joe by some sort of odd coincidence, that I own and have read a number of times. He doesnt say he has avoided fights that were damaging to his health, he said he would never subject himself to a war just to say that he has been in a war. What this means is that if a fight descended into a war, so be it, but he would never make it one just to proudly proclaim he was in a war with whatever fighter. Dont try and tell me the oppisite of what I have already read and already know, it makes you look foolish and immature. i love calz and think ur'e a calz nuthugger but oh well. anyway that kicked happy's ass.

It only sounds hateful because the Calzaghe nut huggers are OUT OF CONTROL. You can't say anything even remotely negative about Calzaghe's resume without having half the United Kingdom crying about all the excuses Cal-Z has for missing fights against: Sven Ottke Bernard Hopkins Roy Jones Jr. Glen Johnson Wink Wright Jermain Taylor (Offered Cal-Z a fight in the states) jones was invited to fight joe once in wales. jones himself said when he was top of the world he would be crazy to go to joe's back yard and fight him. i do agree that it would be too risky for jones to go to wales and fight joe when he was the best. yet i think it wudda been a great fight

I think the thread starter is secretly in love with calzaghe its pretty much all he ever talks about, sorta the same thing you do when you fancied a girl when you were young by getting her attention by nudging her and calling her names, I'm sure you can get his number if you really want it. The fact is Jones didn't wan't the fight either too much risk for too little reward.

Because it doesnt exist you idiot. At least not in the way you are trying to represent it. I have seen the interview and what was actually said was along the lines of "he is the best fighter in the world, he might beat me but the oppurtunity would have been nice" I also remember Joe offering to go to the states to fight Roy? Dont say anything about not being a draw because compared to some of the guys Roy was fighting at the time, being a name didnt make a difference, you still got your shot at Roy. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that Roy avoided big name fighters to a certain extent, probably because in big fights people care more about whether or not you happen to be juiced up. Peroxide... Let me ask you this. What if the interview does exist? What if it is almost word for word as portrayed in this thread? What if I am looking at the interview right now? Do you back off on this ridiculous idea that Calzaghe was dying for a fight with Jones and just couldn't get it? Do you feel like an asshole? How about in Ring Magazine (article entitled No Ordinary Joe) where Calzaghe said he has avoided fights that would be damaging his health? Peroxide... how about this. Rather than try to create an alternate reality. Live in this reality and react to it.