Abraham in the US

I think you should get some glasses! The headbutt, soft and behind the ear... And here is where the break of the jaw was.... http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/panterico/mfb-6680451-kiefer-kreise-quertempl.jpg It was below the ear (where the jaw ends) and not at all what I would call soft, especially if any part of your jaw were broken. Good job with the x-ray pics though.

Gerald McClellan vs Julian Jackson Wow that retort came quickly and decisively.

Miranda gave Abraham one of the nastiest headbutts I've ever seen, right into his broken jaw. He deserved to lose 2 points for that. Not so sure about the other fouls. Should I believe you, or my lying eyes? Hmm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsUuGfezA6o I think you should get some glasses! The headbutt, soft and behind the ear... And here is where the break of the jaw was.... http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/panterico/mfb-6680451-kiefer-kreise-quertempl.jpg

Miranda gave Abraham one of the nastiest headbutts I've ever seen, right into his broken jaw. He deserved to lose 2 points for that. Not so sure about the other fouls. You are an idiot. The headbutt was in the back of his head and not even hard. It had no effect on his jaw whatsoever. Dont talk about what you dont know. Should I believe you, or my lying eyes? Hmm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsUuGfezA6o

Miranda gave Abraham one of the nastiest headbutts I've ever seen, right into his broken jaw. He deserved to lose 2 points for that. Not so sure about the other fouls. You are an idiot. The headbutt was in the back of his head and not even hard. It had no effect on his jaw whatsoever. Dont talk about what you dont know.

Sturm wins via UD

Fuck that. Let's get a Pavlik/Abraham showdown. I like Abraham's style... he just needs to fight here. Americans aren't going to Germany after some of that questionable referreing in the Miranda fight. Germany is the worse place to go and get a decision against one of there fighters.

He did that when he whoop your boy. How many fouls did Miranda commit? 5? Miranda gave Abraham one of the nastiest headbutts I've ever seen, right into his broken jaw. He deserved to lose 2 points for that. Not so sure about the other fouls.

In Germany, in the days of Ottke, a knockout would get you a draw, same with Italy, they've been cheating for years at soccer (when they played England in the 70's the linesman who gave offside against a legitimate England Goal mysteriously received a free car from FIAT) Watch from 55 seconds to 1.20 on this clip, the German Keeper deliberately elbow smashes the French player, breaking his jaw, he should have been banned for life, but being German, he got away with it....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv8EkcezR_s

how much of an impact do you think Arthur Abraham will have in the US?...i think hes a damn good fighter....maybe a miranda rematch could make (or break) him in america... Fuck that. Let's get a Pavlik/Abraham showdown. I like Abraham's style... he just needs to fight here. Americans aren't going to Germany after some of that questionable referreing in the Miranda fight.

No, no, and no. that's quite an argument you have there.. More importantly he certainly didn't kick Miranda's ass, they traded punches it was close. Also, Its a fact he was winded and its also a fact he took 5 mins for a lowblow that did not come near the cup. If he fights Pavlik he'll be banking on a lucky punch. He has a poor work rate no footwork and no stamina.

yeah i'd like to see him fight winner of pavlik taylor[/QU i could see him fight pavlik.. but i think jt is done at mw.. he has repeatedly said he is moving up to smw after the pavlik fight

If Abraham didn't take all that extra time on those fouls he would have been completely winded by the end of it. If Abraham doesn't extra time to rest and recoup he's gonna be in trouble in a close title fight. No, no, and no.

He did that when he whoop your boy. How many fouls did Miranda commit? 5? If Abraham didn't take all that extra time on those fouls he would have been completely winded by the end of it. If Abraham doesn't extra time to rest and recoup he's gonna be in trouble in a close title fight.

I hope he does come here and we can see what he is REALLY made of. He did that when he whoop your boy. How many fouls did Miranda commit? 5?

Abraham is another overrated European fighter. He would get smashed by Pavlik. In fact i think he'd have trouble with alot of Americans at 154. Abraham is a smallish 160. Winky outboxes him. Miranda would beat him in a rematch, even though he really won the 1st one. No slick hometown advantages here buddy. He'd catch a beatdown on American soil... Agreed somewhat. I think he is a hell of a fighter. In Germany he will never lose. In America against the top fighters I think he will have problems. Against active fighters he will have trouble convincing the judges on winning rounds since he does not fight but 20 seconds of each round. I hope he does come here and we can see what he is REALLY made of.

Id love to see him fight winner of Pavlik/Taylor 2... I would travel anywhere in the US to see that fight LIVE... although im pretty sure it would take place in Vegas if it happened..or maybe LA for the big Armenian support Abraham could bring in.

Definetely. Probably the two powerful middleweights to have ever faced eachother. Gerald McClellan vs Julian Jackson

He deserves a shot at Pavlik, he's 25-0 20 KO's and had his belt for 2 years.

Abraham is another overrated European fighter. He would get smashed by Pavlik. In fact i think he'd have trouble with alot of Americans at 154. Abraham is a smallish 160. Winky outboxes him. Miranda would beat him in a rematch, even though he really won the 1st one. No slick hometown advantages here buddy. He'd catch a beatdown on American soil...