Vernon won 2 rounds max vs Ike, the rematch won't be different
Which is why I think they should fight, Vernon knows he didnt win that and since he is calling out Mayorga to avenge that loss he should also be man enough and call out Ike to avenge that clear gift as well.
Trinidad needs to stay retired. He got his one last payday and Trinidad can't do shit at Middleweight. Taylor, Pavlik, Aberham (sp), Strum beats Trinidad.
This would be an excelent fight, though I would like to see Forrest avenge his loss against Quartey first he knows he didnt win that fight, I mean Vernon can not be that head crazy to think he beat Ike. Can he?
Vernon won 2 rounds max vs Ike, the rematch won't be different
Make Tito vs Forrest happen!!
This would be an excelent fight, though I would like to see Forrest avenge his loss against Quartey first he knows he didnt win that fight, I mean Vernon can not be that head crazy to think he beat Ike. Can he?
Your right that he should be respected for fighting someone who has always been 2+ weight classes above him, however you are wrong that he would be a threat in the 160 division. Tito needs to stay at home and eat rice and beans before he destroys his legacy even further.
Fighting and losing to Rjj Hopkins or Winky is not going to damage your legacy. give the man some credit he came into this fight out gunned and barely took a single step back.
I disagree, I dont think Tito can acomplish jack at MW, I saw the same fighter who fought Winky, at least he boxed better and had better deffense, but without his power, Tito will never be Tito again, time to hang them up, wouldn't blame him thou if he tries one more fight, an easier one, against a super WW or MW.
I still say Tito is too small for Pavlik who is a Super Middleweight posing as a Middleweight himself. Abraham might has too tight of a defense. Maybe he should go after Sturm.
I think that I would see Tito having trouble with those long right hands from Pavlik. That said, Pavlik leaves his chin out there so it would at least be interesting
Lacy looked like absolute garbage vs Manfredo. very lackadaisical performance. and to think, he's a full 5 years younger then Tito.
*only reason I threw Lacy's name out was because the Tarver negotiations broke down, so Lacy still needs a fight, why not Trinidad in later 2008?
I dunno if it could be PPV, or even HAS to be, I just see Lacy as a winnable fight for Trinidad (which you said as well)
because Pavlik, Taylor etc would be too strong.
what ever weight Tito fights next at .. it should be lower then 170 and be vs a Mayorga type of slugger
where Trinidad doesn't have to worry about the superior size speed or defense of his opponents (see vs Winky + Jones)
put him against a slugger where he has more of a punchers chance
I think Lacy would be a reasonable opponent for Trinidad.
I think Tito would have a shot vs brawlers who are more hittable. Roy walked down Tito at times, in a slow manner. But his hands were fast. Pavlik would try to walk Tito down but with not even close to the threatening handspeed of Roy. Plus Pavlik throws more so there's more chance for Tito to get into the brawl he would want.
You got big names (kinda) at 160 that Tito could possibly beat. If he looked this good vs Roy with NO tuneups, I think can could beat guys like Arthur Abraham, John Duddy, and maybe Pavlik. Maybe. Even if not, it'd be a good scrap to watch.
You know that i was thinking the same. Some times the fights are determined by styles and a think Pavlik style is very favorable for Tito. Pavlik is a browler and doesnt have a very good defence and take a lot of punches and by the way Tito look at that weight that we all know its not his and with a 3 year layoff and assuming that in a next fight he can do better because is going to be his 2 fight i think he can beat Pavlik. Look what i am saying a think he can beat Pavlik that has beat taylor but i don think that he is abble to beat taylor.
Lacy looked like absolute garbage vs Manfredo. very lackadaisical performance. and to think, he's a full 5 years younger then Tito.
*only reason I threw Lacy's name out was because the Tarver negotiations broke down, so Lacy still needs a fight, why not Trinidad in later 2008?
I dunno if it could be PPV, or even HAS to be, I just see Lacy as a winnable fight for Trinidad (which you said as well)
because Pavlik, Taylor etc would be too strong.
what ever weight Tito fights next at .. it should be lower then 170 and be vs a Mayorga type of slugger
where Trinidad doesn't have to worry about the superior size speed or defense of his opponents (see vs Winky + Jones)
put him against a slugger where he has more of a punchers chance
I still think that Tito can compete in the 160 pounds divition. Remember that he loss a lot of weight to get to 170 but he makes it. And know if he can stay there in that wieght and can get a good fight in 160 he can make the weight without a lot trouble bacause its not a lot of weight that it has to loose only 10 pounds. I still believe he can do better in a next fight because this one was his first in almost 3 years.
I think Tito would have a shot vs brawlers who are more hittable. Roy walked down Tito at times, in a slow manner. But his hands were fast. Pavlik would try to walk Tito down but with not even close to the threatening handspeed of Roy. Plus Pavlik throws more so there's more chance for Tito to get into the brawl he would want.
You got big names (kinda) at 160 that Tito could possibly beat. If he looked this good vs Roy with NO tuneups, I think can could beat guys like Arthur Abraham, John Duddy, and maybe Pavlik. Maybe. Even if not, it'd be a good scrap to watch.
No doubt, big props to Tito.He faded late but looked sharp early.He could still contend with the top dogs at 160 and 168 if he trained hard and stayed focus.....at least for a couple more years.He greatly suprised me and I think Roy was OK but not as great as some are making it out to be....Roy should have been able to get Tito out of there....Period.
Lacy would be interesting although I doubt that makes it to PPV unless SHowtime does it. Not sure that Tito is taking anything less than double digit million dollar paydays at this point. I think he'd beat Lacy based on what I saw against Manfredo. That said, Tito would really have some issues with Lacy's strength as Lacy is much stronger than Jones. Jones is obviously much faster and sharper but Tito would have to stay on the outside against a huge guy like Lacy. Lacy has diminished enough for me to pick Trinidad over him though
the only reason I said Lacy is because of the weight issue
but yeah put Tito in vs a puncher. it'll be more entertaining, more winnable
and overall more enjoyable.
Someone in another thread suggesteds Trinidad-Duddy. Can you imagine that at the Garden. You know Cotto isn't fighting on the eve of Puerto Rican Parade day at NYC. That fight at the Garden would be insane......
give him a longer training camp, and im sure he could knock offa couple of pounds
I'd still like to see Trinidad again .. even vs Jeff Lacy
after a fight like that (vs Jones), I just wanna see Tito go out with a win
after the first knockdown it really looked like Trinidad would be stopped. so I give him tremendous credit for showing heart, gutting it out, and not embarrassing himself
he still got outclassed, but he deserves credit for getting dropped twice, surviving and making the fight entertaining.