Miguel Cotto Is The New "Golden Boy"

This is consistent with what you have posted from day one...at least. "I like Cotto, but (insert fighter) will beat him." Vague. Yes you are. "Really though, what has he really done so great?" - Diss "Its so overrated what Cotto has done." - Diss Your agenda is to discredit Cotto while defending Floyd. We all know this. You should not pretend to respect or acknowledge Cotto as anything since it is pretty clear what you think of him. Who has said they are "star studded"? You are sensationalizing. They are good wins because those guys have been successful preceding the Cotto fight and afterward. Paul has gone on to win a title. Torres went on to win a title. Both men have defended their titles. Nobody here knew much about either of those guys outside of what they showed against Cotto and their respective following matches. You have to base the quality of the wins on what they have shown in the ring, in addition to their accomplishments, and both fighters have been shown to be legitimate competition. Again, you are missing the point. Not every fighter can go out and beat established, ex or current champions every fight. The Quintana win was good for several reasons: A) Quintana was a prospect just like Julio was. You pointing out that Julio was "green" means absolutely nothing considering that Quintana was too. On the other hand, Julio was one of the very top prospects in the world at the time, sporting a gaudy KO-laden record. the public knew much more about him than Quintana. Quintana took Julio to school. This was a shocking result and as a result, a great win for Quintana. B) Cotto completely destroyed Quintana. It was a bad beating of an undefeated, then highly regarded prospect in Cotto's introduction to the division. The way Cotto walked through Quintana was impressive. How many undefeated champions looking to move up in weight will go after a high risk, low reward fight like that? Not many is your answer... What? Hah...what does this even mean? People stopped considering him a prospect a long time ago. Anyone who says otherwise, well, disregard them. You do understand that Floyd has been fighting for several years longer than Cotto right? Cotto is still building a legacy. I feel *most* recognize the Oscar win as a good win because of the size difference and because Oscar is Oscar. People want to see Cotto/Oscar so that Cotto can get his name into the mainstream. Again...the difference in years of service between Floyd and Cotto plays into this. That's like saying, "Floyd would have at least two more losses if his hands weren't so fast and his reflexes weren't so amazing"...duh. Cotto makes weight and is a small man in height and length. Any unnatural weight loss would only hinder his performance. Quintana is a legitimate Welterweight. Don't say that he is and then launch into this discourse trying to slight that. He was able to hold off a massive Welterweight in Julio, so obviously the man can handle himself in the ring. Mosley is every bit the Welterweight that Oscar is. Uh, you say Floyd is always the smaller man in his fights, yet he was a big Jr. Lightweight and was the bigger man in the majority of his championship fights at that weight. Goyo Vargas, Rios, Juuko, Chavez, C. Hernandez Manfredy, etc. Since he's moved up he has been in with fighters like Gatti, Corley, Mitchell, Sosa, Bruseles, etc. Those fighters were all his size, if not smaller, coming up from lower weights. I don't see where you draw your prior conclusion from. Or you are just being hypocritical. Difference between Cotto calling out Floyd and Cotto/Williams being the extent to which these guys are established in the game. Cotto has put in work...against name opponents, prospects, and in between. He has been fighting on the championship stage for quite some time now and he has earned his shot at the top brass. Floyd is the champion and Cotto is the number 2 guy right behind him. Its not like Cotto JUST beat a title holder for the first time and started to call out Floyd. That however IS the scenario with Williams. The guy is a good fighter, and he would probably give Cotto and Floyd hell, but he could stand to fight a few more times on a high level before getting a shot at either Cotto or Floyd. To sum up, you seem very upset that Cotto has gotten to this point. I know you'd like it if he lost so that Floyd wouldn't have to fight him, but that'd ruin a lot of the hopes that the boxing public currently holds. The most important thing, besides the money, besides all of this internet garbage talk, is that these two fight each other in the ring and prove who is the best man. As a boxing fan, you should want this like everyone else. I don't know when it became acceptable to want to throw away the best possible fights that could be made if both fighters are willing and able to compete. great post. all true.

Maybe when Cotto beats Mayweather you'll come to your senses and understand why Cotto is a better fighter than Mayweather. Just because Cotto hasnt fought the same fighters Mayweather has and beat them that doesnt make Mayweather a better fighter than Cotto. Cotto has worked his way up just like Mayweather has. Mayweather is a great boxer and his smart too, but theres no doubt that Cotto will beat him and while his at it he'll teach mayweather a lil something.....

You're just looking at what DLH did inside the ring. What made him 'The Golden Boy' was what happened outside of the ring. His story about promising his mother the gold medal and winning it, he's good looking and articulate and managed to open a new market to boxing just to watch him. Cotto has a style that makes exciting fights but outside of the ring, he's like a statue. spot on post as usual.

Yeah lol and according to DLT Cotto has an unfair size advantage, but Williams does not. I think I'll pass on reading about double standards from him.

and I dont care what anyone says. This guy can do no wrong by the media and he will always get the benefit of the doubt. Alot of stuff he's done has been so overrated while alot of stuff he fails to do gets completely overlooked and not talked about. Im not dissing him. He is a very good fighter and you cant take that from him but he's the new Golden Boy. I cant even remember the last time I heard something bad about him. Even on this forum only a few people call him out on things. Really though, what has he really done so great? To me the only great thing he has done is beat a 37 year old Mosley who I thought looked shot in the ring and he still looked twice as big as Shane. Still, I know others dont feel that way about that fight so I will give him credit for it but what else? Manny Steward talks about how Cotto fights everyone and people on here say the same thing but what proof do you have of it? Everyone now gives Cotto a ton of credit for beating Torres & Paulie. Even Steward does. Do people even remember those fights? When those fights were made, most predicted that Cotto would win by a 3rd round KO. No one even knew who Torres was. Only a few people knew about Paulie and all of them thought he was a bum ass club fighter. Now those wins are supposed to be star studded? Now Paulie looks average against Herman and people say he is not that good. Then Cotto gets a boat load of credit for beating Quintana just because he beat a green Julio who has done nothing in his career. Its so overrated what Cotto has done. Another thing that makes him the Golden Boy is that people think he's elite and a prospect at the same time. You cant have it both ways. You cant diss Floyd for fighting and beating Zab but make Cotto a super star for beating Zab after Floyd did, after Zab came off a year long suspension, and after Zab hadnt won a fight in 2 years. Now no one wants to see Oscar vs Floyd but all those same people wanted to see Cotto vs Oscar. Then they have the nerve to say that Floyd's win over Oscar means nothing because Oscar was a washed up bum but if Oscar beats Cotto then Floyd is still a punk for not fighting Cotto? Please. If Cotto cant beat Oscar then he never deserved a Floyd fight in the 1st place. Then look at Cotto's size. Thats the biggest thing to me. He is always way bigger then his opponents. At 140 it was clear to me that he wouldve had atleast 2 losses if he wasnt just so much bigger then those opponents. He shouldve never been at that weight. Then people say Floyd hasnt fought a real WW when he beat guys like Baldy & Oscar who are huge. Who has Cotto beat that was a real WW? The only 2 real WW's he fought were Shane & Quintana and those guys are not big WW's. Quintana is a boxer that doesnt use his size at all and Cotto made shane look like a little boy in the ring. Even Steward talked about it the whole fight. He still hasnt fought a guy like Oscar, Margarito, Cintron, or Clottey who is just as big as him. He never has. Atleast Floyd came from 130. Whats Cotto's excuse? Floyd is always the smaller man and in most of his fights he is the much smaller man. Cotto is the exact opposite. He's always the bigger man and in most fights he is the much bigger man. The #1 thing that makes him the new Golden Boy is how its mandatory that Floyd has to fight Cotto or Williams or else he is considered to be a punk but Williams calls Cotto out all day and no one ever talks about it. You never see anyone demanding that fight. I cant believe how people think its so brave for Cotto to call out Floyd but they dont think it means nothing that he doesnt want to challange Williams? What? All of those guys want to fight Floyd because of size but none of them want to fight Williams when there his size. Sure he might be a little bigger but there all still naturally close to the same size. If Floyd started at WW do you really think he would be scared to fight Williams? He wouldve fought him quick. Why wont Cotto? He never even looks his way and no one says anything. Now they say he's fighting Gomez but its ok? Everyone again takes up for him. Let Floyd call out Gomez right now and watch what happeneds. Now Cintron is calling out Cotto. We all know that Cintron isnt that great but atleast we will for the 1st time see what Cotto does against a real WW and someone his own size. Will he take it? I know it wont matter if he doesnt because the media & fans will make an excuse for it because he is the new Golden Boy. Someone find me a bad article about him because I cant. I didnt know that his resume was so great that he is Mr. Untouchable now. I didnt know he accomplished that much with his wins over Zab, Paulie, and Torres This is The Truth, it goes to the turth about the Mayweather Double Standard..

It's hypocricy at it's best. If relentlessly bash Floyd for fighting a tune up bout than you have to do the same to Cotto. It's like how people don't give credit for Floyd beating Zab but they give Cotto credit for beating Zab.

like i said moron i was looking at his recent fights! every fighter has easier fights then some. being a cotto fan you should be well aware of that by now. well floyd was fighting gatti which held a belt, cotto was fighting mohamad abdulaev. Well and why we have to judge maywether in his recents fights only when maywether is the one with a longer carrer. Cotto has half of floyd time in the sport and the two has the right to take a tune up fight even floyd at this moment.

cotto doesn't need to be the next golden boy, he has his own personality, different minds/world....cotto needs to be cotto, a very interesting career in the ring, a very boring lifestyle

Then why does floyd have to fight the best fighters back to back to back to back since that what it seems you guys want. Cotto is unproven and needs to beat a williams, margarito, or citron in impressive fashion to be even considered a chance to beat floyd. Floyd faught gatti, baldi, judah, dlh, hatton. where the fuck is the tune of fight of the likes of gomez in that mix? Floyd tune-ups; ummmm...Bruseles? no better yet Gatti yes Gatti; the one that got knockout into retirement by Cotto's tune-up fighter Alfonso Gomez Like you I don't think Gomez belong in the same ring with Cotto. He should be fighting Floyd or DLH but neither of them dare to fight him instead the rather dance once again with each other in a safe fight for 12 boring-ass rounds. :nonono: With does two out of the picture I do think he should fight Margarito, Cintron or PW next

I think one thing is clear: Miguel Cotto is the #1 welterweight and deserves a shot at Floyd. His win over Shane proved that. However, Mayweather fans do have a point that if Mayweather would fight Gomez to have a tune up with Cotto everyone would be going crazy. I also think if Mayweather beat Shane people would use the "He's old" excuse. Whoever said that people would give Cotto a lot more credit for being Oscar is sad, but probably true point. Personally, even though Shane and Oscar were past their primes, I believe they were both really good and you can average them out as equal wins. The advantage might go to Cotto, since he proved himself more, but it could even out since Mayweather beat Oscar more desicievly then Cotto beat Shane. Anyway, I think Cotto is the #1 contender, and hope if Mayweather fights De La Hoya again...he'll hopefully say he'll fight Cotto insted of yet again, another BS retirement. Better yet, just fight Cotto first and let Oscar fight Cotto. Though, I don't think "Floyd is ducking Cotto to fight Oscar again!!" It's just simply greed (unforuntely), but I bet Cotto would do the exact same thing if Cotto was in Mayweather's position. edit: Oh and I hope Margarito loses to Judah. I do not want to see a Margarito/Cotto match up at all. Though, Cotto taking a tune up right now is ok I guess. I just hope the plan backfires.

You think Baldomir proved to DLH that Mayweather was at his level? What a joke. No I think Oscar already knew that floyd was a level above him, but he felt like he could win. Why else would he train like he trained. If he thought Floyd was less than him I think he would have looked more like he did aginst Sturm, don't u think

Oscar reached that status by being a poser... a lap dog for for the $. Cotto may not be into that little fake wide ass smile technique.Lookin like Garfield the cat! Good Mexican boy! THis is about fighting... not a beauty pageant!?? WTF. As for in the ring... Cotto could very well surpass DLH. TIme will speak. Agreed....

I wont discredit Cotto in any way because he has proved that he belongs and is ready for a fight with Floyd, I like Cotto and I want him to fight FLoyd but i will say this IF Cotto fights Gomez, Cotto fans have to realize it is a step down something that is blasphemous on these boards, when Floyd does it. The same people who bash Floyd for not fighting the best in the division, are the same ones that are finding ways of justifying a Cotto Gomez fight. thought this was a great post conveying the exact issue at hand here.

I wont discredit Cotto in any way because he has proved that he belongs and is ready for a fight with Floyd, I like Cotto and I want him to fight FLoyd but i will say this IF Cotto fights Gomez, Cotto fans have to realize it is a step down something that is blasphemous on these boards, when Floyd does it. The same people who bash Floyd for not fighting the best in the division, are the same ones that are finding ways of justifying a Cotto Gomez fight. Its like you guys dont really want to listen or see the shit thats right infront of you. Why do you disregard valid counter arguments and keep spittin out the same shit over and over. I'm sorry guy. You're a good poster but some of the shit you've posted in this thread overrating Baldomir, Gatti and leaving out Mitchell just cant be overlooked as it hasnt by the other posters in this thread. Normally, when discussing boxers and their careers, the only actual opinions that can be considered and respected are of pundits, analysts and hardcore boxing fans and let me tell you, the majority never gave them a chance. Floyd played it smart by choosing to fight the Welterweight Champion when the title was held by someone he and everyone with any knowledge of boxing knew he could beat. and Gatti? Really? Did you ever see Gatti fight before he faced off with Mayweather? What about Mitchell? MITCHELL! All these dudes could have been tune up fights for him. So when someone says, "If Floyd were to do it, it would be travesty right?", as mentioned above, he HAS done it but they werent treated as tune ups, they were treated as headlining fights with predictable and an inevitable outcomes. The funnier thing is that Floyd fans are crying "double standards" yet fail to acknowledge a certain fact or ignore it for the sake of their arguement. This is a showcase fight to build anticipation for his fight with Margarito. Now, why is that not being mentioned? What does it matter that Cotto is facing Gomez if he is facing a legitimate ex title holder anyway? Cotto likes to be active and I am very appreciative that he is one of those fighters that would like to fight more often because I get to see him fight again. So this notion that Cotto is just cherry picking is pretty null in void and just a way for Floyd stans to try to point out some hypocrisy that doesn't exists. But let us discuss another interesting fact that Floyd stans are also ignoring, prolly on purpose. If he faces of with Gomez and Margo this year, that means he has faced 8 fighters in 3 years. What other elite fighter is doing this? Floyd certainly isn't. Bernard Hopkins certainly isnt. Jermaine Taylor didn't. Only one I can think of is Kelly Pavlik and HIS record doesn't hold as much weight as Cotto's relatively speaking. So again, what's the big deal?

he's never lost, he's exciting, he might be the best welterweight, he fights tough opposition and he's been in so many good fights. Basically all of his fights are good or dominating performances. Torres Quintana Judah Malinaggi Branco Abdulaev Corley Pinto Mosel was probably the least entertaining fight I can remember him being in. So what grounds do you wish me to cricticize him on?

he's never lost, he's exciting, he might be the best welterweight, he fights tough opposition and he's been in so many good fights. Basically all of his fights are good or dominating performances. Torres Quintana Judah Malinaggi Branco Abdulaev Corley Pinto Mosel was probably the least entertaining fight I can remember him being in.

I wont discredit Cotto in any way because he has proved that he belongs and is ready for a fight with Floyd, I like Cotto and I want him to fight FLoyd but i will say this IF Cotto fights Gomez, Cotto fans have to realize it is a step down something that is blasphemous on these boards, when Floyd does it. The same people who bash Floyd for not fighting the best in the division, are the same ones that are finding ways of justifying a Cotto Gomez fight.

http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html :nonono: SSM is no more a top WW than Oscar or Hatton. Ring has him ranked because he fought 1 fight at the weight before Cotto. Quit trying to distort facts, u know deep in yo heart there really is no huge difference

Miguel Cotto is a young, talented boxer, but he will never reach the status of Oscar De La Hoya.

please explain why that is funny or just :tapedshut It's funny because SSM is no more a top WW than Hatton or Oscar