Anyone who has been close enough to boxing will know that there are no cowards in the ring. The so called fans who love to see people fighting toe to toe are nowhere to be found when these guys are writhing in pain in their older days or can barely take a leak. Neither are they around when they get punch drunk and slurry in speech. In other words this is a sport of warriors.
The art of boxing is not in getting banged up in a lets see who can bash each others brains and ribs to a pulp. Thats easy. Stronger punch and stamina will win. The art of boxing is in hitting whilst the other guy misses, is in preserving your sanity whilst they lose their cool, is in outpointing the other guy, whether it be by ko or by decision, but certainly not by scrambling your own brain in the process.
British sports is close to nationalism. I guess its because the brits were an empire once and outside of those sporting moments its very difficult for Brits to assert themselves on the world stage these days. This Hatton vs Mayweather fight is being hyped up by the Brits as an us vs them thing. Well them is just Mayweather. Much of America wants to see him beaten too, but only because like Ali he has laid himself on the block of being the best and he certainly isnt your typical All American home body.
I want Mayweather to win because for all his brashness he represents a better future for boxing than the lights out posse that Hatton represents. There is room for every style in boxing but you want icons that other boxers can follow and Floyds professionalism is spot on.
Boxing itself needs to figure out that the main reason the sport is differentiated from UFC and wrestling and the other attempts to go back to roman gladiator days is that brute force is not the primary factor. Skill and intelligence and the preservation of the individual is primary.
Thats not to say Hatton isnt skilled. But in real terms this is a fight for boxings soul. Pity the character of Floyd and all the shite he has to spout to get people to want to pay to watch him lose is what dominates.
I never said that it was DURING the Gatti fight, I said AFTER (in the media)..
I posted the Arum quote in another thread and am still looking. In the meantime:
Miguel Cotto also sat ringside looking like a middleweight and he had to be thinking at this early stage “I don’t want any part of that action”. Top Rank concurs. Cotto is Bob Arum’s link to the future, and his relationship with the self proclaimed ‘Flamboyant One’ is contentious at best. Do any of us believe Arum would risk Floyd ruining his cash cow on his way to free agency? Would any of us buy a green, stylistic schizophrenic as a possible threat to boxing’s version of advanced Trigonometry? Look for Arum to nurse Cotto to millions and try to catch Floyd at welterweight in his 30’s. Three down. Now is the time to load up on the carbs.
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Wade/Wade070405.htm
Barring an upset of epic proportions, Pretty Boy Floyd will be poised to electrify the boxing world by facing-off against the best out there. That includes the likes of Zab Judah, Rickey Hatton, Miguel Cotto and even a middle-of-the-road matchup against middleweight champion Winky Wright. And let’s not forget the “old-timers,” Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya, if of course the “Golden Boy” decides to step back into the glory. Floyd, Jr. has no doubts about his ability to move up and fight at welterweight.
“My daddy was a welterweight. I’ve got his genes so I know I can carry welterweight. There are guys in the welterweight division that are shorter than me. I’ve got the frame to carry the weight.” -
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/2879/floyd-mayweather-born-pretty-boy/
^Exactly what I said and I actually just found these!
floyd never challenged miguel period .how do you know what cotto was thinking what makes you think he was afraid of floyd.your starting to sound like the people that seem to know floyd is scared of margarito
Floyd called him out verbally on a few occasions (including after Gatti). Cotto didn't utter a sound. When asked about it, he merely says the same thing.
i have seen the gatti fight plenty of times and have never heard floyd call cotto out
I never said that it was DURING the Gatti fight, I said AFTER (in the media)..
I posted the Arum quote in another thread and am still looking. In the meantime:
Miguel Cotto also sat ringside looking like a middleweight and he had to be thinking at this early stage “I don’t want any part of that action”. Top Rank concurs. Cotto is Bob Arum’s link to the future, and his relationship with the self proclaimed ‘Flamboyant One’ is contentious at best. Do any of us believe Arum would risk Floyd ruining his cash cow on his way to free agency? Would any of us buy a green, stylistic schizophrenic as a possible threat to boxing’s version of advanced Trigonometry? Look for Arum to nurse Cotto to millions and try to catch Floyd at welterweight in his 30’s. Three down. Now is the time to load up on the carbs.
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Wade/Wade070405.htm
Barring an upset of epic proportions, Pretty Boy Floyd will be poised to electrify the boxing world by facing-off against the best out there. That includes the likes of Zab Judah, Rickey Hatton, Miguel Cotto and even a middle-of-the-road matchup against middleweight champion Winky Wright. And let’s not forget the “old-timers,” Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya, if of course the “Golden Boy” decides to step back into the glory. Floyd, Jr. has no doubts about his ability to move up and fight at welterweight.
“My daddy was a welterweight. I’ve got his genes so I know I can carry welterweight. There are guys in the welterweight division that are shorter than me. I’ve got the frame to carry the weight.” -
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/2879/floyd-mayweather-born-pretty-boy/
^Exactly what I said and I actually just found these!
Floyd called him out verbally on a few occasions (including after Gatti). Cotto didn't utter a sound. When asked about it, he merely says the same thing.
i have seen the gatti fight plenty of times and have never heard floyd call cotto out
Cotto fought Shane at 147, I'm talking about 140 when Cotto had the best chance of getting a bout with Mayweather, which apparently he wasn't ready for. If someone isn't ready for you, you aren't obligated to beg them for a fight or submit to their will 2 years later when they beat up a few contenders and gain some confidence. You're not at their service nor has Cotto even called out Mayweather after the Shane fight... The guy is a Robot who doesn't care who he fights, unless it's Margarito.
i never claimed that floyd is ducking cotto but cotto is definitly not ducknig mayweather.cotto will probably fight margarito in june
Floyd called him out verbally on a few occasions (including after Gatti). Cotto didn't utter a sound. When asked about it, he merely says the same thing.
"It's up to my promoter, blah, blah".. Arum stated that he wasn't ready.
i have never heard mayweather calling cotto out
thats arum not cotto.cotto claimed before he fought shane that he would like to fight floyd
Cotto fought Shane at 147, I'm talking about 140 when Cotto had the best chance of getting a bout with Mayweather, which apparently he wasn't ready for. If someone isn't ready for you, you aren't obligated to beg them for a fight or submit to their will 2 years later when they beat up a few contenders and gain some confidence. You're not at their service nor has Cotto even called out Mayweather after the Shane fight... The guy is a Robot who doesn't care who he fights, unless it's Margarito.
But, Cotto never had an OFFER to fight Floyd.
Floyd called him out verbally on a few occasions (including after Gatti). Cotto didn't utter a sound. When asked about it, he merely says the same thing.
"It's up to my promoter, blah, blah".. Arum stated that he wasn't ready.
If so, then show us your proof. The fact is that Cotto never ran from Floyd at all. In fact, if anybody is running, it's Floyd, who has already said he won't fight Cotto. There's your proof.
I'll post the article in a minute, since I'm not a liar who makes things up like you. Can you please cite where Mayweather has ducked Cotto though and where he says what you're sloppily paraphrasing? I'm still waiting, since as you know, your word isn't worth an ounce of deer shit.
I just don't discredit Margarito for losing one fight to Paul Williams.
Well, I do. It added on to his already 4 losses against scrubs. Williams is the best fighter Margarito has faced (which says a lot), and lost.
That's another give away in your biased logic.
No, ignoring his previous losses while overrating him for things he's never done exposes bias more than anything. I've never overrated Margarito or Floyd. Floyd is merely the best p4p fighter today, while Margarito is a decent fighter who has beaten nothing but bums.
And, Floyd has already negated the idea of fighting Cotto...throwing out the Arum excuse. That's a fact.
That isn't a fact until you can quote it. What IS a fact though is that Arum protected Cotto from Mayweather at 140. This is in writing.
Yes, Floyd can retire undefeated if he beats Hatton. And, I expect he will do so rather than have to actually take a fight. His legacy will be forever tarnished in stone too. Mark my words.
Like I said elsewhere. Over time, hate and envy dissapates as it always does and Floyd will be remembered universally as the best p4p fighter of the 2000's, at the very least.
But, he does have to get by Hatton first, right? Saturday night is going to be interesting, indeed.
He'll get by the midget. If you don't have to worry about anything concerning Floyd, don't worry about that.:)
I don't care! Provide a link that states that there was an offered from Margarito, before Judah.
The truth is that you have no point.
Which most people thought was a fluke. Floyd ain't have to fight anybody, he did it because the Judah fight was already in the works, he was still getting more money, Judah still had the IBF, and they also saw the Baldy loss as a fluke. The main point being that he still fought Baldy and beat him anyways, so please, what the hell is your dumb ass point?
I have documents that explicitly state that Cotto wasn't going to be ready for Mayweather for another year and a half after Mayweather beat Gatti. This is from Arum.
But, Cotto never had an OFFER to fight Floyd. If so, then show us your proof. The fact is that Cotto never ran from Floyd at all. In fact, if anybody is running, it's Floyd, who has already said he won't fight Cotto. There's your proof.
I don't care! Provide a link that states that there was an offered from Margarito, before Judah.
The truth is that you have no point.
Which most people thought was a fluke. Floyd ain't have to fight anybody, he did it because the Judah fight was already in the works, he was still getting more money, Judah still had the IBF, and they also saw the Baldy loss as a fluke. The main point being that he still fought Baldy and beat him anyways, so please, what the hell is your dumb ass point?
I have documents that explicitly state that Cotto wasn't going to be ready for Mayweather for another year and a half. This is from Arum.
thats arum not cotto.cotto claimed before he fought shane that he would like to fight floyd
Margarito got beat up by Williams, yet he is still relied on for convenience. Please show an article which states that Mayweather was offered a fight with Margarito before the Judah proposition? Cotto already ran from Floyd at 140 after he saw what Floyd did to Gatti and Arum wanted him to hold out for a couple of more years. Mayweather doesn't need to wait hand and foot on your saviors to be proven since it is the opposite.
He doesn't underrate anybody and if anything, he underrates Cotto (going by this logic) and the like even more since he let Ricky get to him, while he brushes off the likes of Cotto, etc. Your logic is flimsy.
Why would he do that? How can you criticize someone for not being "stupid" and not staying at a weight where he definitely doesn't belong and couldn't even make (he was 150). You are a mad man Wiley.
And he'll have it. He was already set after he beat DLH, his legacy is sealed. The only thing people like Cotto or Williams can do is slightly upgrade it, but not too much. It isn't like a Hagler win from SRL or like Ali beating Foreman. It's just Floyd beating another contender.
I just don't discredit Margarito for losing one fight to Paul Williams. That's another give away in your biased logic.
And, Floyd has already negated the idea of fighting Cotto...throwing out the Arum excuse. That's a fact.
Yes, Floyd can retire undefeated if he beats Hatton. And, I expect he will do so rather than have to actually take a fight. His legacy will be forever tarnished in stone too. Mark my words.
But, he does have to get by Hatton first, right? Saturday night is going to be interesting, indeed.
if you read the link..it says he was negotiating with Baldo ..after Baldo beat Judah..
I don't care! Provide a link that states that there was an offered from Margarito, before Judah.
but they fell through so he fought Judah anyways...DOES THE TRUTH HURT??
The truth is that you have no point.
he wasnt obligated to fight Judah, but he did, someone who just lost to A 16-1 UNDERDOG, 35 YR OLD JOURNEY MAN....
Which most people thought was a fluke. Floyd ain't have to fight anybody, he did it because the Judah fight was already in the works, he was still getting more money, Judah still had the IBF, and they also saw the Baldy loss as a fluke. The main point being that he still fought Baldy and beat him anyways, so please, what the hell is your dumb ass point?
cotto never ran from floyd
I have documents that explicitly state that Cotto wasn't going to be ready for Mayweather for another year and a half after Mayweather beat Gatti. This is from Arum.
if you read the link..it says he was negotiating with Baldo ..after Baldo beat Judah..
I don't care! Provide a link that states that there was an offered from Margarito, before Judah.
but they fell through so he fought Judah anyways...DOES THE TRUTH HURT??
The truth is that you have no point.
he wasnt obligated to fight Judah, but he did, someone who just lost to A 16-1 UNDERDOG, 35 YR OLD JOURNEY MAN....
Which most people thought was a fluke. Floyd ain't have to fight anybody, he did it because the Judah fight was already in the works, he was still getting more money, Judah still had the IBF, and they also saw the Baldy loss as a fluke. The main point being that he still fought Baldy and beat him anyways, so please, what the hell is your dumb ass point?
Margarito got beat up by Williams, yet he is still relied on for convenience. Please show an article which states that Mayweather was offered a fight with Margarito before the Judah proposition? Cotto already ran from Floyd at 140 after he saw what Floyd did to Gatti and Arum wanted him to hold out for a couple of more years. Mayweather doesn't need to wait hand and foot on your saviors to be proven since it is the opposite.
He doesn't underrate anybody and if anything, he underrates Cotto (going by this logic) and the like even more since he let Ricky get to him, while he brushes off the likes of Cotto, etc. Your logic is flimsy.
Why would he do that? How can you criticize someone for not being "stupid" and not staying at a weight where he definitely doesn't belong and couldn't even make (he was 150). You are a mad man Wiley.
And he'll have it. He was already set after he beat DLH, his legacy is sealed. The only thing people like Cotto or Williams can do is slightly upgrade it, but not too much. It isn't like a Hagler win from SRL or like Ali beating Foreman. It's just Floyd beating another contender.
cotto never ran from floyd
if you read the link..it says he was negotiating with Baldo ..after Baldo beat Judah..
but they fell through so he fought Judah anyways...DOES THE TRUTH HURT??
he wasnt obligated to fight Judah, but he did, someone who just lost to A 16-1 UNDERDOG, 35 YR OLD JOURNEY MAN....
zab never got knocked out nor was he dominated he lost the fight because he got hurt and stoped fighting baldomir did not beat him up
Margarito offered 8 million good reasons to fight him. Floyd said "no way, Jose." Do you really think Floyd would EVER subject himself to the prospect of being on the receiving end of Margarito's power? Seriously man. Floyd will never fight Margarito. Just like he' already negated the idea of fighting Cotto. I suspect we will never see him fight Williams either.
Margarito got beat up by Williams, yet he is still relied on for convenience. Please show an article which states that Mayweather was offered a fight with Margarito before the Judah proposition? Cotto already ran from Floyd at 140 after he saw what Floyd did to Gatti and Arum wanted him to hold out for a couple of more years. Mayweather doesn't need to wait hand and foot on your saviors to be proven since it is the opposite.
All those guys are too risky to the precious undefeated record. Shoot, he wouldn't even be taking Hatton on but for the fact that he underrated Hatton.
He doesn't underrate anybody and if anything, he underrates Cotto (going by this logic) and the like even more since he let Ricky get to him, while he brushes off the likes of Cotto, etc. Your logic is flimsy.
It's the same concept regarding Floyd dropping the 154 belt right after winning it from ODH. He dropped it and retired, rather than stupidly trying to defend that belt against the likes of Vernon Forrest.
Why would he do that? How can you criticize someone for not being "stupid" and not staying at a weight where he definitely doesn't belong and couldn't even make (he was 150). You are a mad man Wiley.
lol Floyd is just looking for a graceful way to make an exit with his undefeated record.
And he'll have it. He was already set after he beat DLH, his legacy is sealed. The only thing people like Cotto or Williams can do is slightly upgrade it, but not too much. It isn't like a Hagler win from SRL or like Ali beating Foreman. It's just Floyd beating another contender.
it says he DIDNT HAVE TO FIGHT Zab AND WAS NEGOTIATING WITH BALDO..
meaning when THAT fell through he wasnt obligated to fight Judah, he couldve fought anyone..
you know how to read?
so instead he should of fought margarito which no one respects unless your talking about floyd now margarito is one of the best boxers ever.judah and floyd was a figt people always wanted to see because they both posses good hand speed young and prime.margarito's punches are to wild sometimes floyd would counter margarito all day