..Cotto-Mayweather/Hatton: William Dettloff's Take...

floyd would defeat cotto in other words.

I disagree. First I don't get this "Floyd is a boxing genius" shit. Where are you coming up with that? He's no smarter than either Hatton or Cotto. Floyd's a talented boxer, but he's absolutely no friggin genius. That's just crap. Second, triangulation is a weak analysis. Corley the journeyman can hardly be used as a legitimate benchmark for anything. Third, Floyd has one body shot knock down after leaving 130 that I remember. Some boxers never have even one, but I do not believe that Floyd is "amazing" going to the body. In fact, he's quite unexceptional in this area. Fourth, if anybody will be subject to body shots between Cotto and Floyd, you can be sure it will be Floyd. There is no way Floyd can be compared to Cotto going to the body. Fifth, what does "Cotto would have to sell out" mean? Floyd is good at controlling the pace, but so is Cotto. Cotto whips Floyd rather handily IMO. Apparently Floyd has concerns himself because he's already negated the idea that he will ever fight Cotto. That post is a singularly fine example of nuthugging. Talk about blowing Floyd out of proportion. Holy shit!where am i coming up with floyd is a boxign genius? umm... let's see, from watching all of fights first off, and watching them in depth, unlike you obviously, because if you have watched all of his fights, you would see why i put this in my posts damn near everytime i post. he is a much smarter fighter than cotto and hatton, because of how he first adjusts to fighters, who are bigger than him naturally and smaller than him, which is why he's still undefeated in 5 weight classes. he knows how to read any fighter and make adjustments to their styles very well and in turn dominate them. he has to be a boxing genius to do this, and on top of this, i called him a boxing genius because mostly every opponent he's faced and boxing expert seems to always claim that boxing floyd mayweather is suicide, because no one outboxes mayweather, so this only shows me that he is a boxing genius. throw all of that nuthugging bullshit out of the window because it's old and redundant. if you really cannot have a decent argument with me without resorting to insults, then don't respond to my posts. now, saying the triangulation is weak is one thing, but i was responding to the video someone put in their post, which i didn't see you respond to, what's up with that? corley may have been a journeyman, but he hit pretty hard and he only had 2 losses coming into the fight with floyd, and one was to judah, who would have given cotto many problems at that weight. and, corley was never knocked out until he fought cotto and he shouldn't have been knocked out in that fight. he went down but was not too hurt to where he couldn't go on. it was a hometown stoppage like larry merchant said, and it was bullshit. had it been in the states, it would have not been stopped. and, this journeyman rocked both floyd and cotto, so he was a tough journeyman wasn't he? now, just because floyd has one bodyshot knockdown after 130(which is a lie, seeing how he knocked down bruseles at140 and knocked out mitchell at 147, but i'll go with your comment and work off of it) dosn't mean he goes to the body bad, because if you really watched his fights, you would see that he breaks you down, which is what floyd has always done, he doesn't have to be teh hardest body puncher to break you down, but he is an accurate body puncher and he places his punches to the exact spot to wear his opponents down and he did this against gatti and judah in depth and of course this was after 130. he wore zab down because he knew that zab has a tendency to burn out in the later rounds. he slowed zab down with great hooks to his rib cage and to the pivot of his stomach, and he knew that the best way to beat zab if you're not a big puncher is to wear his body down because he is fast as shit with his punches. against cotto, who is a magnificent body puncher, floyd would land fast body punches and wear him down but he would do it in a controlled manner and pace which he's always done against bigger guys and he'll make them count, cotto is too slow for floyd, and cotto is not slow by any means, but how he controls a fight is much slower than floyd does, which is a big reason why floyd would tear him up. floyd's control added to his ring generalship would kill cotto. cotto turns it up as rounds go on against guys who he wears down or has bad stamina or subpar stamina, but against floyd, who has the best stamina arguably in boxing, he would have to be on his ass from round one, and floyd is so smart, because even when he goes to the ropes and gets defensive when he punches himself out, he controls the pace of the action but defensively, which is something cotto hasn't mastered yet, and this is why cotto is not smarter than floyd(another reason i should say). cotto would have to wear floyd down to his body and in doing this he would have to bully floyd like oscar tried to do and he knows his stamina would have to be amazing because he will not land his punches in depth onto floyd's body, most of them will hit floyd's arms and hands, but i believe cotto would have to sell out doing this. he would have to swarm the shit out of floyd to achieve this, because if he decides to try to outbox floyd like he tried with shane(who floyd is much better than and would beat shane also) he's in for an embarrissing night even more. cotto would have to impose his strength but in a unorthodix manner to land on floyd effectively but he would have control his punches which he does pretty well to land some hard shots to floyd's pivotal areas of his body, i've never seen floyd hurt bad by a body shot, even in the castillo fights. cotto has the power to do this and the will, but does he have the the patience to do this? this i don't believe he does, but floyd does and this is why floyd is too methodical of a figher for any fighter at 147, let alone cotto. floyd is a master at adjusting/changing speeds to wear his opponents down, and not to mention his stamina. cotto hasn't proved this yet, but only time will tell. imo, cotto would be overwhelmed against floyd. and, by the way, floyd would not be handled by cotto at all, it would be the other way around.

Floyd will retire unbeaten! Floyd Mayweather will retire unbeaten regardless of what all the crtics and haters think! There have been many threads on here suggesting that his opponent at that particular time would hand him his first lost! Needless to say the outcome has continued to remain the same, as it will on Dec 8. I just cannot believe you guys cannot understand that there is not a fighter out there that will beat him right now. To be honest, i don't even believe Floyd even needs a trianer thats how smart he is in the ring. Say what you want about Floyd he will only beat his self by staying in the sport to long. That might not even be the case. The subject of him fighting Cotto has come about several times in which most of you seem to think Cotto would destroy Floyd! HA HA HA-NOT! Floyd would comepletely expsoe Cotto's flaws with virtual ease. Cotto is a very very great young fighter, but lacks the skill, smarts,to defeat Floyd. Face it guys Floyd is the best fighter to put on a pair of gloves,and you all know this!!

I'm from the planet that saw Cotto beat Mosely 7 rounds to 5. The same planet where Mosely beats Floyd with room to spare. You don't think PBF could beat his own dick. So most of the shit you say about PBF should taken with a grain of salt as they say.

I like Bill Detloff, he's a true gent and always replies to his email, and most of the time he's pretty spot on, but I don't agree with anything he said in this comment. I think Hatton's pace and lateral movement would trouble Miguel, and Floyd would adjust to him swiftly. That's not to say that Cotto couldn't beat either of them, but it certainly wouldn't be a sure thing.

NOBODY at Welter (or 140 or 154) beats Floyd EASILY. It's just not realistic. He has a style for every opponent. The reason he hasn't lost is because he adjusts better than anyone. There are guys with faster hands, there are guys with more power, there are guys who counter punch and slip better, but nobody puts it all together as well as Floyd. He is always able to find the Achilles Heel in his opponents because every fighter has a weakness, and Floyd, thus far, has been able to expose it every time. Miguel Cotto is certainly no exception. Could he win? Yes. Easily? No.

To much of a puncher for PBF? Yea right. PBF has faced punchers before and he's bet em all. I agree about the one with Hatton, although I think Cotto can punch better than Hatton to. This guy sounds like an idiot.

Cotto easily beats Vicky. Hes too strong with too much skill.

old man mosley beat(we all know the truth) cottomayor and you dont think floyd could handle him? what planet do you come from? puerto rico land probably I'm from the planet that saw Cotto beat Mosely 7 rounds to 5. The same planet where Mosely beats Floyd with room to spare.

they both would give cotto problems, and he would lose decisively to floyd also, but i believe he would beat hatton though, in a very tough fight. cotto and hatton both are great body punchers but hatton is a swarmer and with his style against cotto, this would give cotto a lot of problems. and for the fool who put the youtube video in their post to make a point, don't make me laugh. you see it's video's like that, that make floyd even more dangerous for cotto, because looking on how floyd beat sosa, corley, and judah, and cotto knocking them out, i believe fully now that styles make fights, and floyd's style is too much for cotto, trust me. i mean, you do realize that floyd knocked corley down 6 times but only two were counted as knockdowns when all were surley knockdowns, and he knocked corley down in a southpaw stance and it was counted as a slip, bullshit. cotto recieved a hometown stoppage of corley, when the ref stopped it. had the fight been in the united states, it would have not been stopped, and corley rocked the shit out of cotto just like floyd, and floyd knocked corley down later on in the round, although it was viewed as a slip, bullshit. cotto beat the shit out of sosa, and floyd ud sosa which only means cotto's style was too much for sosa that night and so was floyd's for that matter. yeah, judah was knocked out but he was coming off of a no decison win and a year layoff. no excuses for zab though, he lost in a beating by cotto, but he also rocked cotto and stunned the shit out of him in the first round, but that fight only again showed how zab burns out in the latter rounds of fights, just like he did with floyd, who systematically broke zab's body down with vicious counter left hooks to his body and right hooks to the pivot of his stomach. zab, imo, never hurt floyd like he did cotto. people are brainwashed by the flash knockdown with floyd recovered from and the one left hand landed in the 4th round that stunned floyd but the rest of zab's punches were blocked. floyd buckled zab in the 2nd round with a counter jab over zab's jab. i mean, they both broke zab down but cotto just happened to knock him out, so what does that mean about floyd? not a damn thing, floyd would break cotto down just like he did zab but worst. cotto is vulnerable to body shots and floyd throws amazing body shots when he chooses to. he can break any fighter down doing this. so, putting a video in your post means nothing when floyd is a much smarter fighter than zab, corley, and sosa and for that matter cotto. floyd's control over the pace of a fight is staggering. he is so good as controlling fights even on defense that it is scary. he's that good. cotto would have to sell out to beat floyd, who is too fast and smart for him. floyd defeats cotto by ud or late stoppage. I disagree. First I don't get this "Floyd is a boxing genius" shit. Where are you coming up with that? He's no smarter than either Hatton or Cotto. Floyd's a talented boxer, but he's absolutely no friggin genius. That's just crap. Second, triangulation is a weak analysis. Corley the journeyman can hardly be used as a legitimate benchmark for anything. Third, Floyd has one body shot knock down after leaving 130 that I remember. Some boxers never have even one, but I do not believe that Floyd is "amazing" going to the body. In fact, he's quite unexceptional in this area. Fourth, if anybody will be subject to body shots between Cotto and Floyd, you can be sure it will be Floyd. There is no way Floyd can be compared to Cotto going to the body. Fifth, what does "Cotto would have to sell out" mean? Floyd is good at controlling the pace, but so is Cotto. Cotto whips Floyd rather handily IMO. Apparently Floyd has concerns himself because he's already negated the idea that he will ever fight Cotto. That post is a singularly fine example of nuthugging. Talk about blowing Floyd out of proportion. Holy shit!

they both would give cotto problems, and he would lose decisively to floyd also, but i believe he would beat hatton though, in a very tough fight. cotto and hatton both are great body punchers but hatton is a swarmer and with his style against cotto, this would give cotto a lot of problems. and for the fool who put the youtube video in their post to make a point, don't make me laugh. you see it's video's like that, that make floyd even more dangerous for cotto, because looking on how floyd beat sosa, corley, and judah, and cotto knocking them out, i believe fully now that styles make fights, and floyd's style is too much for cotto, trust me. i mean, you do realize that floyd knocked corley down 6 times but only two were counted as knockdowns when all were surley knockdowns, and he knocked corley down in a southpaw stance and it was counted as a slip, bullshit. cotto recieved a hometown stoppage of corley, when the ref stopped it. had the fight been in the united states, it would have not been stopped, and corley rocked the shit out of cotto just like floyd, and floyd knocked corley down later on in the round, although it was viewed as a slip, bullshit. cotto beat the shit out of sosa, and floyd ud sosa which only means cotto's style was too much for sosa that night and so was floyd's for that matter. yeah, judah was knocked out but he was coming off of a no decison win and a year layoff. no excuses for zab though, he lost in a beating by cotto, but he also rocked cotto and stunned the shit out of him in the first round, but that fight only again showed how zab burns out in the latter rounds of fights, just like he did with floyd, who systematically broke zab's body down with vicious counter left hooks to his body and right hooks to the pivot of his stomach. zab, imo, never hurt floyd like he did cotto. people are brainwashed by the flash knockdown with floyd recovered from and the one left hand landed in the 4th round that stunned floyd but the rest of zab's punches were blocked. floyd buckled zab in the 2nd round with a counter jab over zab's jab. i mean, they both broke zab down but cotto just happened to knock him out, so what does that mean about floyd? not a damn thing, floyd would break cotto down just like he did zab but worst. cotto is vulnerable to body shots and floyd throws amazing body shots when he chooses to. he can break any fighter down doing this. so, putting a video in your post means nothing when floyd is a much smarter fighter than zab, corley, and sosa and for that matter cotto. floyd's control over the pace of a fight is staggering. he is so good as controlling fights even on defense that it is scary. he's that good. cotto would have to sell out to beat floyd, who is too fast and smart for him. floyd defeats cotto by ud or late stoppage. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

they both would give cotto problems, and he would lose decisively to floyd also, but i believe he would beat hatton though, in a very tough fight. cotto and hatton both are great body punchers but hatton is a swarmer and with his style against cotto, this would give cotto a lot of problems. and for the fool who put the youtube video in their post to make a point, don't make me laugh. you see it's video's like that, that make floyd even more dangerous for cotto, because looking on how floyd beat sosa, corley, and judah, and cotto knocking them out, i believe fully now that styles make fights, and floyd's style is too much for cotto, trust me. i mean, you do realize that floyd knocked corley down 6 times but only two were counted as knockdowns when all were surley knockdowns, and he knocked corley down in a southpaw stance and it was counted as a slip, bullshit. cotto recieved a hometown stoppage of corley, when the ref stopped it. had the fight been in the united states, it would have not been stopped, and corley rocked the shit out of cotto just like floyd, and floyd knocked corley down later on in the round, although it was viewed as a slip, bullshit. cotto beat the shit out of sosa, and floyd ud sosa which only means cotto's style was too much for sosa that night and so was floyd's for that matter. yeah, judah was knocked out but he was coming off of a no decison win and a year layoff. no excuses for zab though, he lost in a beating by cotto, but he also rocked cotto and stunned the shit out of him in the first round, but that fight only again showed how zab burns out in the latter rounds of fights, just like he did with floyd, who systematically broke zab's body down with vicious counter left hooks to his body and right hooks to the pivot of his stomach. zab, imo, never hurt floyd like he did cotto. people are brainwashed by the flash knockdown with floyd recovered from and the one left hand landed in the 4th round that stunned floyd but the rest of zab's punches were blocked. floyd buckled zab in the 2nd round with a counter jab over zab's jab. i mean, they both broke zab down but cotto just happened to knock him out, so what does that mean about floyd? not a damn thing, floyd would break cotto down just like he did zab but worst. cotto is vulnerable to body shots and floyd throws amazing body shots when he chooses to. he can break any fighter down doing this. so, putting a video in your post means nothing when floyd is a much smarter fighter than zab, corley, and sosa and for that matter cotto. floyd's control over the pace of a fight is staggering. he is so good as controlling fights even on defense that it is scary. he's that good. cotto would have to sell out to beat floyd, who is too fast and smart for him. floyd defeats cotto by ud or late stoppage.

Lol.... Tito's gonna beat Jones, huh? :kiss: There you go. a little better:cool2:

dude put a smiley face or some shit.there is no way for me to distinguish that from a smartass comment.:cool2: Lol.... Tito's gonna beat Jones, huh? :kiss: There you go.

That Cotto needs to stop fighting Floyd's leftovers? You mean he should stop KNOCKING THE FOCK OUT OF THEM. Why it makes Floyd look bad??? :lame:

The reason I think Hatton will take Cotto is because of two things: 1. Hatton's chin is better than Cotto's and that fight could very well be determined on that...who falls first; and 2. Hatton's relentless pressure and stamina. Cotto has that too, but you'll note it's particularly effective against boxers who don't take to it very well. When Shane changed tactics and tried to pressurize Cotto, Cotto retreated. Now that could have been because he knew Shane was behind and therefore Cotto could sit back and counter. But, it could also have been that he just wasn't comfortable with it because of Shane's power. Hatton has power. Furthermore, Cotto appeared gassed at times. He may not have the stamina that Hatton has. The fight happens at 147. Cottos has had no chin problems here, that really threatened him. Hatton, proven, not so much. Second of all, Cotto has great stamina. So does Hatton. To me, it's a toss up. I see some of your points though.

I completely don't agree with triangular logic. I was ONLY mentioning it because Cotto and Hatton fight similiarly in the first place. It's long a Cotto-lite, in my personal opinion, that Hatton brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, I happen to think Hatton has some advantages over Cotto, I'm not tryin' diss him. I'm talking about the style they are both known for. I think Cotto brings that a bit better, only slightly but better. I RARELY wil ever use the triangulation argument, if I ever TRULY do. The reason I think Hatton will take Cotto is because of two things: 1. Hatton's chin is better than Cotto's and that fight could very well be determined on that...who falls first; and 2. Hatton's relentless pressure and stamina. Cotto has that too, but you'll note it's particularly effective against boxers who don't take to it very well. When Shane changed tactics and tried to pressurize Cotto, Cotto retreated. Now that could have been because he knew Shane was behind and therefore Cotto could sit back and counter. But, it could also have been that he just wasn't comfortable with it because of Shane's power. Hatton has power. Furthermore, Cotto appeared gassed at times. He may not have the stamina that Hatton has.

I'm busting your chops. Apparently, everyone is catching the "defensive" bug. dude put a smiley face or some shit.there is no way for me to distinguish that from a smartass comment.:cool2:

it's 5 k.are you gonna bring this up everytime i post? one punch to the china. I'm busting your chops. Apparently, everyone is catching the "defensive" bug.

I hear what you're saying, C. But, while I pick Hatton in a close one against Cotto, I think Cotto is a bigger threat style wise to Floyd. He's bigger with a longer jab. Don't fall into the triangulation trap. Although it can be useful at times, triangulation is a pretty weak analysis. Wouldn't you agree? I completely don't agree with triangular logic. I was ONLY mentioning it because Cotto and Hatton fight similiarly in the first place. It's long a Cotto-lite, in my personal opinion, that Hatton brings to the table. Don't get me wrong, I happen to think Hatton has some advantages over Cotto, I'm not tryin' diss him. I'm talking about the style they are both known for. I think Cotto brings that a bit better, only slightly but better. I RARELY wil ever use the triangulation argument, if I ever TRULY do.