Pac over-rated???

hey very possible mate but i think it was more a case of JMM under-rating pacs power!! big mistake... once he adjusted he put on a masterclass he did adjust but then you could see pac trying to give him the straight left again and again trying for the ko. maybe pac was chasing some of the same to ko or maybe he was schooled. either way pac is a better boxer now. he can be patient and still has fast hands. the 2nd fight would be a different story of which i am yet to know the outcome.

i dont thinkmarquez is on his top level right now and i really dont think hell beat pac honestly. sh!t i rather see soto or diaz hand pacs ass to him but we all know he aint gonna take a risk. sooner or later some young hungry boxer is gonna beat him though.

well perhaps the worse thing for pac was to get 3 kd's in the first round. he seemed to have thought he won it and lost concentration. hey very possible mate but i think it was more a case of JMM under-rating pacs power!! big mistake... once he adjusted he put on a masterclass

manny outboxed a 34 year old barera who's had brawl after brawl.... a barera who couldn't fight in anything other than spits and spats to pace himself.... as for marquez, well he's no spring chicken either, he's 32 i believe? may be wrong. by the time they get round to fighting again marquez will be even older. and you make the point that he got a draw against marquez... well aside from the first two rounds where marquez grossly under-rated pacs punching power, marquez gave him a boxing lesson well perhaps the worse thing for pac was to get 3 kd's in the first round. he seemed to have thought he won it and lost concentration.

no matter in any sort of way u put it. people are still goin to have there bullshit beliefs and have pac as #1 p4p. and some of them even think theres a rivalry between mex & phil. its crazy i mean u had humberto soto, joan guzman, j diaz. but nooooo you had to take the barerra fight. yeah ok.

We've got Duran is god cornered. He's stepped into every bait I've laid. :lol1: lol maybe so!! no seriously though i think marquez will beat pac when they fight again,and im basing that on the fact that marquez although into his thirties has peaked at a different time to barera and morales so his age wont be a factor... surely you agree with that??

Your parents brought you up to be a liar and a hypocrite. dude this is a boxing forum where opinions are varied and everyone is entitled to one. grow up and go away

i wont have to use such excuses... marquez will school him again, thats assuming pac actually wants the rematch!! listen this is fast becoming a thread where i come across as a hater of pac, thats not the case. i think he belongs in the top 10 p4p but he is simply given too much credit for his wins over aged barera and morales.... which in my opinion dont warrant a top2 or 3 position dude you're going around in circles w/ your excuses. you're saying marquez aint no spring chicken at 32 thats why it was a close fight w/ mab, then suddenly you build him up to school pac for the rematch, so which is which? they had a common elite opponent in mab but who made a stronger statement? definitely not jmm, pac outbox barrera. and who do you have at the top5 p4p?

You're using excuses for Barrera and Morales. Niether of them were beaten that badly by Marquez and Diaz like the beating Pacquiao gave them. BTW, if Barrera is so old and was beaten by Marquez, why aren't you downplaying Marquez's victory over Barrera? At least answer that. not once have i over-stated marquez's victory over barera. it was a fight i thought he would win and he did. every fighter peaks at a different time and styles make fights. marquez is a counter puncher so naturally his fight with barera would have a complete different feel to barera and pac

I can see your future: "Pacquiao vs Marquez II was a farce. Marquez was too old and not in his prime when he lost to Pacquiao" am I right? or am I right? i wont have to use such excuses... marquez will school him again, thats assuming pac actually wants the rematch!! listen this is fast becoming a thread where i come across as a hater of pac, thats not the case. i think he belongs in the top 10 p4p but he is simply given too much credit for his wins over aged barera and morales.... which in my opinion dont warrant a top2 or 3 position

You just said he's over rated. So there is some dispute with you about Pac being on the top tier of the P4P rankings. You're downplaying his achievements over Barrera and Morales. He got a draw against Marquez, and by no means does that diminish Pac's rating as a solid fighter. Marquez can fight. Let's rewind back to the Barrera vs Marquez fight. For the first half of the fight, Barrera was winning by outboxing Marquez. Then he got caught and the fight turned for Marquez. Let's go forward to Barrera vs Pacquiao II, who outboxed who? Pacquiao dominated by outboxing Barrera. OUTBOXING. Pacquiao is not over rated. Maybe for you. Great. But I think I'm going to agree with the experts of boxing by putting Pac in the top 3 P4P rankings. manny outboxed a 34 year old barera who's had brawl after brawl.... a barera who couldn't fight in anything other than spits and spats to pace himself.... as for marquez, well he's no spring chicken either, he's 32 i believe? may be wrong. by the time they get round to fighting again marquez will be even older. and you make the point that he got a draw against marquez... well aside from the first two rounds where marquez grossly under-rated pacs punching power, marquez gave him a boxing lesson

It wasn't the fans that put Pacquiao in the top P4P list. The Ring magazine also put him up there, second to Mayweather. People more knowledgeable about boxing than any of us. listen im not disputing that pac belongs in the p4p list... but second or even first as some people have him is wrong in my opinion. if pac fights marquez or the winner of guzman/soto and continues to have convincing wins then it will be justified

Dude, quit the charade. You absolutely hate Pac. That's why you made this thread right? i dont hate pac i have no reason to hate him. i just want to see him fight some of the younger, sharper guys... fighting barera again before marquez was a joke

It may be good to remember that nobody beat the old Barrera in the fashion that Pacquiao did in their first fight, except Pacquiao. And it does not seem likely that anybody else can beat the even older Barrera with what constitutes half-hearted effort in their second fight. (JMMarquez brought in his A game a few months earlier and went to the canvass in what was declared by the ref as a slip but was a KD in the eyes of some.) Also, it may be nice to keep in mind that nobody beat the old Morales in the manner that he was beaten by Pacquiao, other than Pacquiao. So, Pacquiao must have something....

You're a PacFan, but he only beat shot fighters? Try to be a little more subtle you feking liar. take a deep breathe my man. answer me this.... when did people start calling pac a p4p top ten fighter?? because its only since he beat morales and barera in my opinion. and dont tell me he fought a prime barera because we all know he had camp problems and the revelation about his metal plate. and dude i am a fan of pac i just dont rate him as the number 1 p4p guy in our sport.

He is the Mexterminator.

I AGREE 100 PERCENT.........I ALSO BELIVE MARQUEZ IS GOING TO BEAT THAT ASS.........BADLY!!!!.I JUST HAVE THIS FEELING!! well take the first 2 rounds out of the equation in their first fight and its a lop sided decision win for marquez. i can only assume he will learn from the first fight and respect pacs power!

i think that he does get a lot of attention. however i have a feeling that he is capable of beating anoyne at 130. it's just that i guess its politics and money. if boxing ahd elagues and people ahd to fight each other every 3 mnoths then it would show pacman as the best. there are too many pacman nuthuggers around, but he is good. when he first came he was kinda unknown i think. he ahs beaten some good contenders aswell. now it's time for him to beat prime contenders to shwo his dominance. yeah possibly, i think marquez and maybe guzman beat him at 130 but obviously we will have to wait until after the soto fight to know more. i think pac is very exciting and good for boxing i just want him to fight some prime fighters

first things first im a pac fan and i enjoy watching him fight. However I cant help but think he gets a little too much credit for his wins over morales and barera. Whilst he impressively beat them both twice, we can all agree they were out their primes and not the same fighters we saw in morales v barera 1. Pac was also schooled by marquez quite comfortably in their first fight. Since being with roach his skills have undoubtedly improved and he has become a much more rounded fighter. I look forward to the rematch with marquez as i expect a very exciting fight, but ultimately a fight which marquez wins by decision. If Pac decides to move up to lightweight and fight baby bull i think he loses another decision as well and possibly gets stopped. I have to laugh when people suggest pac is p4p number one as well. Whilst im no fan of floyd its obvious that a p4p fight between these guys would end in a one sided beating, pac is far too crude for a guy like floyd. Before everyone starts hating on me i do think pac is a top 10 p4p guy and is an exciting fighter, i just dont like it when people act like he's an unbeatable superstar for beating up on faded greats. thoughts?? i agree 100%

i think that he does get a lot of attention. however i have a feeling that he is capable of beating anoyne at 130. it's just that i guess its politics and money. if boxing ahd elagues and people ahd to fight each other every 3 mnoths then it would show pacman as the best. there are too many pacman nuthuggers around, but he is good. when he first came he was kinda unknown i think. he ahs beaten some good contenders aswell. now it's time for him to beat prime contenders to shwo his dominance.