How's Pavlik not in anyone's P4P list?

I think Miranda won, even with the 5 points deducted. So did Dougie Fisher at Maxboxing and so did G. Leon at Boxing T@lk.com. All three of us had Miranda winning by a point. I guess neither of us knows boxing while you're obviously the expert. :nonono: if you had Miranda winning 9 rounds then i DO highly question your scoring... lets face it i like Dougie but he is a biased motherfucker, remember when he had Morales beating Raheem???(and im Morales's biggest fan)...or when he had Ayala beating Morales???...G.Leon is a stubborn bastard as well, im pretty sure he was one of those who were saying Holt wasnt hurt against Torres.......

at leats Bailey, Judah an Paulie have been champions...........and you know nothing about boxing if you think Miranda won 9 rounds vs Abraham I think Miranda won, even with the 5 points deducted. So did Dougie Fisher at Maxboxing and so did G. Leon at Boxing T@lk.com. All three of us had Miranda winning by a point. I guess neither of us knows boxing while you're obviously the expert. :nonono:

besides the abraham fight should have been stopped anyways.... they gave him so much time too..

Time will tell. I think Miranda already peaked leading up to the Pavlik fight when everyone thought he was some force to be reckoned with. He'd have exciting fights with Taylor, Froch, Kessler, Bute, etc. but he'd be on the losing end of every fight. Depending on how Lacy looks in a few weeks, I'd probably favor him over Miranda too.

Miranda BEAT UP Abraham big time and he got robbed by the ref and the judges. After the fight Miranda went out to a party and Abraham was in the hospital getting his face reconstructed after Miranda destroyed it. the referee?maybe....the judges?NO...get that inside your head....

Miranda BEAT UP Abraham big time and he got robbed by the ref and the judges. After the fight Miranda went out to a party and Abraham was in the hospital getting his face reconstructed after Miranda destroyed it.

yeah, this boyz dont have a clue what theyre talking about... no hes more dangerous because he made allan green look like a fool , broke abrahams jaw , stopped howard eastman when many couldnt. destroyed gibbs in 1.

hahahaha randla bailey and mirandas power is equal???? lol. stop talking. are you a friend of bailey? 32 knockouts in 35 wins.

Miranda is dangerous because he talks shit? Bailey has the same power, more skills, and actually won two alphabet titles. Again, what has Miranda done that Torres hasn't? I love how Willie Gibbs is a "solid win", but Bailey is a bum. Lmao yeah... yeah, this boyz dont have a clue what theyre talking about...

Miranda is dangerous because he talks shit? Bailey has the same power, more skills, and actually won two alphabet titles. Again, what has Miranda done that Torres hasn't? I love how Willie Gibbs is a "solid win", but Bailey is a bum. Lmao yeah... hahahaha randla bailey and mirandas power is equal???? lol. stop talking. are you a friend of bailey?

Thats just hilarious. Miranda is overrated as hell on these forums. no he isn't he isnt being discussed that much. he beat a world champ in abraham. cotto beats featerfisted malignaggi , and he gets his nuts hugged.... gets tossed around the ring by an unknown in torres...

Miranda is dangerous because he talks shit? Bailey has the same power, more skills, and actually won two alphabet titles. Again, what has Miranda done that Torres hasn't? I love how Willie Gibbs is a "solid win", but Bailey is a bum. Lmao yeah...

miranda and pavlik were top 3 wen they fought , miranda is still top 5 IMO . who the fuck is zab judah. ? lol hes like 'if you beat me , you move up a few spots in the PFP list' hes nothin anymore

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight. Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi. exactly !!!

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight. Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi. Thats just hilarious. Miranda is overrated as hell on these forums.

I never said Miranda won 9 rounds. I thought the fight was close, but Miranda had the edge. Look at both fighters faces after the fight and tell me who you think really won. :lol1: doesnt matter, miranda got deducted 5 points, he needed 9 rounds to win the fight.....so he wasnt robbed in the scorecards.....

Calzaghe deserves to be in the top ten no doubt about it. All I'm saying is how's Pavlik not in it. Miranda has beat Allan Green who would beat anyone Lacy had fought prior to Calzaghe and Kessler won his two belts from Siaca 18-4 and a shockingly weak beltholder Beyer. Pavlik and Taylor are better than those two guys. I guess all you have to do is move to supermiddle weight:rofl: i htink it has soemthing to do with having some experience aswell. i mean he may very well be top p4p in the future, but it depends on a few things. who he fights and how well he does. calz aint had a very close fight. he is a compete boxer and can punch when he wants to. he's been there for 10 years. yes he hasn't fought the very best, but then it's boxing for you. if there was a elagu system and people ahd to fight each other it would be great. no ego's just get on with it. pavlik has great ko power but he ahsnt been 12 rounds. he hasnt defended his belt yet. consistancy will always prove who is the best. i mean tarver may have been up there but hes not p4p.

at leats Bailey, Judah an Paulie have been champions...........and you know nothing about boxing if you think Miranda won 9 rounds vs Abraham I never said Miranda won 9 rounds. I thought the fight was close, but Miranda had the edge. Look at both fighters faces after the fight and tell me who you think really won. :lol1:

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight. Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi. at leats Bailey, Judah an Paulie have been champions...........and you know nothing about boxing if you think Miranda won 9 rounds vs Abraham

Miranda is overrrated as hell if he's considered a benchmark. Randall Bailey has done more than Miranda. That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight. Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi.