Cotto doesn't draw, as evidenced by his ppv numbers for judah and mosley. He has no charisma and is shy around his own fans. He has slightly above average speed, and slightly above average power, and an average chin at best. in short he is a slightly above average fighter. People dont pay 50$ to see his caliber of fighter.
He would have lost to Judah had he not intentionally hit him low twice, imo he should have been dq'ed because of the blatant intent of these punches. for people saying PBF has to fight him, cmon, are you serious. what has cotto done to warrant a fight against the #1 pfp fighter in the world? beat judah by cheating, which he admitted to, getting a draw against a 36 year old fighter which could have gone either way. and he beat a bunch of scrubs, big deal, beat a legit opponent impressively and we will talk. fyi, this wont happen, cotto is a top 8 guy in the division, that is it. once he starts fighting the best in the division he will not win 1/2 of his fights.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER. floyd might as well give hatton a rematch after schooling him and make another 15-20 mil. he wont come close to 10 agaisnt cotto, an average fighter with no charisma with a fan base that doesn't/ cant afford to see his fights.
Cotto doesn't draw, as evidenced by his ppv numbers for judah and mosley. He has no charisma and is shy around his own fans. He has slightly above average speed, and slightly above average power, and an average chin at best. in short he is a slightly above average fighter. People dont pay 50$ to see his caliber of fighter.
He would have lost to Judah had he not intentionally hit him low twice, imo he should have been dq'ed because of the blatant intent of these punches. for people saying PBF has to fight him, cmon, are you serious. what has cotto done to warrant a fight against the #1 pfp fighter in the world? beat judah by cheating, which he admitted to, getting a draw against a 36 year old fighter which could have gone either way. and he beat a bunch of scrubs, big deal, beat a legit opponent impressively and we will talk. fyi, this wont happen, cotto is a top 8 guy in the division, that is it. once he starts fighting the best in the division he will not win 1/2 of his fights.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER. floyd might as well give hatton a rematch after schooling him and make another 15-20 mil. he wont come close to 10 agaisnt cotto, an average fighter with no charisma with a fan base that doesn't/ cant afford to see his fights.
I certainly would, would prove that Floyd is once and for all a class above Cotto's clearly the next best welterweight, he's undefeated and holds titles, there should be other things to worry about than just money.
I do. And screw you, I may like Floyd more and hell I think Mosley might have won a close fight last night, but Cotto is a great fighter.
The only reason Floyd doesn't want to fight Cotto is that he is promoted by Arum. That's it. If cotto was under golden boy, he'd take the fight right away.
agreed 100%
THEY IS NO MONEY IN COTTO !
Floyd already does not get respect for non of his victories....
So it will be the same with Cotto
if floyd beats COTTO.. SO WHAT....He suppose to beat cotto he is P4P the best fighter in this generation....
AND after he beats COTTO you cotto nuthuggers will say well..............
"HE CANT BEAT WHOEVER YOU LIKE AT THE MOMENT"
THEY IS NO PPV IN COTTO THATS WHY HE PICK HATTON...
"COTTO FANS BASE DOES NOT BRING THE REAL MONEY WHICH IS PPV"
All the Other PPV floyd is not in:
MOSLEY VS. COTTO probably 300,000 PPV
Vargas vs. May : Probably 150,000 PPV
Hopkins vs. Wright = they did 300,000 PPV
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
Pacman vs. Barrera 2 =they did 350,000
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
JMM vs MAB = They Did 225,000 PPV BUYS
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
Cotto vs. Judah = 225,000 PPV BUYS :wtf:
Cotto suppose to be ABLE TO sold out shit...
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
or have a bigger fan base than floyd...where are they at..??
"COTTO FANS BASE DOES NOT BRING THE REAL MONEY WHICH IS PPV"
NUMBER DONT LIE..
This what Floyd means when he says their is no money in cotto...
Floyd P.PV fights oNLY HAD 4 PPV fights
Floyd did 350,000 with Judah (2ND PPV)
(http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0413c06.htm)
Floyd vs. Gatti = 340,000 PPV (1sT ppv)
(http://boxing.about.com/b/2005/07/01/gatti-mayweather-a-ppv-success.htm)
Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir = 325,000 PPV buys(3Rd PPV)
(http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines/EEyFkkplVVefLFmoxo.html)
WHO THE FUCK sells 325,000 PPV FIGHTING Carlos Baldomir ?:wtf:
YOU MEAN TO tell me
Cotto vs. Judah
Hopkins vs. Wright
JMM VS. MAB
is less interesting THEN "Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir"
Carlos badlomir has less personality and Fan base than Miguel Cotto
Floyd vs. Oscar De La Hoya = 2.15 Million PPV buys
(4TH ppv)
(http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/payperview.htm)
Floyd PPV TOTAL Money after 4 PPV= 167 million (WONT BE TOP)
Out of In any fighter in history 1st four PPV Floyd is the best....Baldomir : $16.3 million
Judah: 15.7 million
Gatti: 15. 3 Million
De La hoya: $120.0 million
Oscar De La Hoya First 4 PPV Total Money
Totol Money: 57.4 Million
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
And if you take away the fourth PPV fight for both OSCAR AND FLOYD ....
Floyd still Wins...
After all those STATS:
what the hell you think he is going to do with HATTON....
You mean to tell me AFTER COMING OFF A 2 MILLION PPV with Oscar PPV that Floyd is not at least going to DO 900,000 ppv is Crazy
This PPV is not Going Under 900,00 PPV
Dam this is plain and basic common sense on why floyd is not picking cotto.
Cotto doesn't draw, as evidenced by his ppv numbers for judah and mosley. He has no charisma and is shy around his own fans. He has slightly above average speed, and slightly above average power, and an average chin at best. in short he is a slightly above average fighter. People dont pay 50$ to see his caliber of fighter.
He would have lost to Judah had he not intentionally hit him low twice, imo he should have been dq'ed because of the blatant intent of these punches. for people saying PBF has to fight him, cmon, are you serious. what has cotto done to warrant a fight against the #1 pfp fighter in the world? beat judah by cheating, which he admitted to, getting a draw against a 36 year old fighter which could have gone either way. and he beat a bunch of scrubs, big deal, beat a legit opponent impressively and we will talk. fyi, this wont happen, cotto is a top 8 guy in the division, that is it. once he starts fighting the best in the division he will not win 1/2 of his fights.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER. floyd might as well give hatton a rematch after schooling him and make another 15-20 mil. he wont come close to 10 agaisnt cotto, an average fighter with no charisma with a fan base that doesn't/ cant afford to see his fights.
LMAO.....
Funny shit
Cotto Fans WILL BUY A fLOYD FIGHT bEFORE THEY will buy a Cotto Fight..
Lmao...
what has he done to warrant a number 2 spot in the division? judah lost to f***ing baldomir, and shane was only a good win, not a great win, past his prime. wow, he is undefeated!!!! gimme a break. you cant make an objective arguement for cotto giving him a decent fight,(floyd either puts on a boxing clinic if he respects cotto's power, or doesnt respect his power and attacks him, ending the fight with the accumulation of solid punches) he wont draw until (if he ever does) he beats quality boxers in their primes. no money in it for floyd(relatively speaking), nothing for his legacy, and cotto will get so frusterated that he is liable to hit floyd low or do something else cheap to attempt to even the playing field. cotto, beat williams or cintron in an exiting fashion and then maybe it will be a thought, until then you dont have the merits to fight the best in the world. and people just sound like idiots when they say floyd is obligated to fight cotto or he should lose his pound for pound title. HE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH QUALITY WINS TO EVEN BE CLOSE TO THIS POINT. if you want to see them fight great! but floyd doesnt need to fight a guy that has a lame resume at this point in time, granted it could improve.....
:hail: Lol LOL
Cotto is trying to cheat his way into a big fight..!
Cotto doesn't draw, as evidenced by his ppv numbers for judah and mosley. He has no charisma and is shy around his own fans. He has slightly above average speed, and slightly above average power, and an average chin at best. in short he is a slightly above average fighter. People dont pay 50$ to see his caliber of fighter.
He would have lost to Judah had he not intentionally hit him low twice, imo he should have been dq'ed because of the blatant intent of these punches. for people saying PBF has to fight him, cmon, are you serious. what has cotto done to warrant a fight against the #1 pfp fighter in the world? beat judah by cheating, which he admitted to, getting a draw against a 36 year old fighter which could have gone either way. and he beat a bunch of scrubs, big deal, beat a legit opponent impressively and we will talk. fyi, this wont happen, cotto is a top 8 guy in the division, that is it. once he starts fighting the best in the division he will not win 1/2 of his fights.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER. floyd might as well give hatton a rematch after schooling him and make another 15-20 mil. he wont come close to 10 agaisnt cotto, an average fighter with no charisma with a fan base that doesn't/ cant afford to see his fights.
:boxing:
Good POst....
THEY IS NO MONEY IN COTTO !
Floyd already does not get respect for non of his victories....
So it will be the same with Cotto
if floyd beats COTTO.. SO WHAT....He suppose to beat cotto he is P4P the best fighter in this generation....
AND after he beats COTTO you cotto nuthuggers will say well..............
"HE CANT BEAT WHOEVER YOU LIKE AT THE MOMENT"
THEY IS NO PPV IN COTTO THATS WHY HE PICK HATTON...
"COTTO FANS BASE DOES NOT BRING THE REAL MONEY WHICH IS PPV"
All the Other PPV floyd is not in:
MOSLEY VS. COTTO probably 300,000 PPV
Vargas vs. May : Probably 150,000 PPV
Hopkins vs. Wright = they did 300,000 PPV
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
Pacman vs. Barrera 2 =they did 350,000
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
JMM vs MAB = They Did 225,000 PPV BUYS
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
Cotto vs. Judah = 225,000 PPV BUYS :wtf:
Cotto suppose to be ABLE TO sold out shit...
(http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2933)
or have a bigger fan base than floyd...where are they at..??
"COTTO FANS BASE DOES NOT BRING THE REAL MONEY WHICH IS PPV"
NUMBER DONT LIE..
This what Floyd means when he says their is no money in cotto...
Floyd P.PV fights oNLY HAD 4 PPV fights
Floyd did 350,000 with Judah (2ND PPV)
(http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0413c06.htm)
Floyd vs. Gatti = 340,000 PPV (1sT ppv)
(http://boxing.about.com/b/2005/07/01/gatti-mayweather-a-ppv-success.htm)
Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir = 325,000 PPV buys(3Rd PPV)
(http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines/EEyFkkplVVefLFmoxo.html)
WHO THE FUCK sells 325,000 PPV FIGHTING Carlos Baldomir ?:wtf:
YOU MEAN TO tell me
Cotto vs. Judah
Hopkins vs. Wright
JMM VS. MAB
is less interesting THEN "Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir"
Carlos badlomir has less personality and Fan base than Miguel Cotto
Floyd vs. Oscar De La Hoya = 2.15 Million PPV buys
(4TH ppv)
(http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/payperview.htm)
Floyd PPV TOTAL Money after 4 PPV= 167 million (WONT BE TOP)
Out of In any fighter in history 1st four PPV Floyd is the best....Baldomir : $16.3 million
Judah: 15.7 million
Gatti: 15. 3 Million
De La hoya: $120.0 million
Oscar De La Hoya First 4 PPV Total Money
Totol Money: 57.4 Million
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
And if you take away the fourth PPV fight for both OSCAR AND FLOYD ....
Floyd still Wins...
After all those STATS:
what the hell you think he is going to do with HATTON....
You mean to tell me AFTER COMING OFF A 2 MILLION PPV with Oscar PPV that Floyd is not at least going to DO 900,000 ppv is Crazy
This PPV is not Going Under 900,00 PPV
ay, Quntel, check this out, you went of your way to get all those stats, that's alot of research, and i got nothing but respect for you bro. but check it....the REAL reason Floyd Mayweather don't get enough respect as you mentioned earlier, is simple.....
"When Mayweather fights someone who IS "NOT" past their prime, people will see him as a "take-on-anybody' fighter. That's is the simple truth, and I never said anything negative towards Mayweather. With that said...lets stop all the "there-ain't-no-money-in-it" and fight with somebody that comes to fight.
Bring on Cotto!
Yo, you gotta be dillusional bro! COTTO doesn't Draw??? Listen man, I was there live at the Garden, they had to open up the rafters cause it was SOLD OUT!!! Ok, so if Mayweather won't fight Miguel Cotto cause "there's no money in it", but then, yet he is willing to fight Kermit Cintron or Paul Williams, in which Cotto fills more seats than both of them combined! go figure...
GOOD PSOT!!!! I made this same point. It's a fucking joke when he decides to fight either Williams or Cintron instead. I love when people question Cottos resume, and try to justify fighting either Williams or Cintron when there best competiton was Margarito which Floyd and all his fans called a bum in justifying him dancing around that fight, yet now they are both worthy all of a sudden that it is more conveiniant for him to fight the lesser opposition. (Williams won and Cintron lost-yet he's worthy all of a sudden if he beats the man that beat Marg and was knocked out by Marg himself but that makes them worthy)
All this while you have a giant banner of Trinidad on yours...lol. Unbelievable:nonono:
it was done by a mexican for your info,and as i've stated before,i've got maybe top six top fighters and 2 are mexican,juan diaz and de leon
you see me rooting for collazo to get a title shot?he barely lost to ricky lost to mosley with a broken hand darling.he's in the same spot as margo you don't see ricans up in arms about somebody ducking him.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER.
I take it you missed the farces against Gatti and Baldomir who would struggle to compete with Cotto in a two on one situation.
Yo, you gotta be dillusional bro! COTTO doesn't Draw??? Listen man, I was there live at the Garden, they had to open up the rafters cause it was SOLD OUT!!! Ok, so if Mayweather won't fight Miguel Cotto cause "there's no money in it", but then, yet he is willing to fight Kermit Cintron or Paul Williams, in which Cotto fills more seats than both of them combined! go figure...
I agree on the whole, with one minor issue. I think Mayweather has the discipline and the genetics to continue fighting well into his late 30's. Hopkins did it and did it impressively, he didn't slide until he turned 40. I think if he chose to do so Floyd could do the same exact thing, as he and Bernard are both dedicated gym rats.
DUDE YOUR AVTAR IS FUCKING GREAT!!!! THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST ONE I HAVE SEEN LOL!!!!!!!! FUNNY SHIT!!!
Cotto doesn't draw, as evidenced by his ppv numbers for judah and mosley. He has no charisma and is shy around his own fans. He has slightly above average speed, and slightly above average power, and an average chin at best. in short he is a slightly above average fighter. People dont pay 50$ to see his caliber of fighter.
He would have lost to Judah had he not intentionally hit him low twice, imo he should have been dq'ed because of the blatant intent of these punches. for people saying PBF has to fight him, cmon, are you serious. what has cotto done to warrant a fight against the #1 pfp fighter in the world? beat judah by cheating, which he admitted to, getting a draw against a 36 year old fighter which could have gone either way. and he beat a bunch of scrubs, big deal, beat a legit opponent impressively and we will talk. fyi, this wont happen, cotto is a top 8 guy in the division, that is it. once he starts fighting the best in the division he will not win 1/2 of his fights.
IN SHORT NO ONE IS PAYING TO SEE PBF BUT ON A BOXING CLINIC AGAINST A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE DRONE OF A FIGHTER. floyd might as well give hatton a rematch after schooling him and make another 15-20 mil. he wont come close to 10 agaisnt cotto, an average fighter with no charisma with a fan base that doesn't/ cant afford to see his fights.
This is an ignorant post, and big surprise all the Floyd nuthuggers are gonna jump on this bandwagon. If this helps you'll feel bettter to try and justify this when Floyd uses his Dancing With the Stars Skills to dance away from this fight. You ask who has Cotto fought to deserve a fight. I have to go no farther than Shane, Shane is better than anyone that Floyd has fought. A win over Shane is better than a win over Oscar, and I am an Oscar fan but it is the truth. We all know that Oscar is more business man at this point. All this time Floyd has been calling Shane nothing but a sparring partner until this fight happened and knew that the heat would be on to potentially fight the winner. All of a sudden he changed his tune and was praising Mosley, and saying if he won he would consider a fight with him. He was hoping Shane would win because at this point in Shanes career he is a better matchup and style for him. Saying that Cotto doesn't draw is plain stupid, he drew over 20,000 for the Judah fight and his latin following alone would do huge numbers. Cotto has more of a following than Floyd and is accepted more. Floyd doesn't draw big numbers unless he has another big name on the card, he has never been able to do it on his own. Before the Oscar fight he barely drew 9,000 when he fought baldomir. This is a bullshit excuse form Floyd and he will use his rivalry with Arum as an excuse. Part of being P4P is fighting the best competition there and if Floyd beqats Hatton, Cotto will be the best competition for him at 147. I agree with Emanuel Stewart when he says that if Floyd avoids Cotto, than you cant call him P4P #1, by avoiding the best competition at 147 being Cotto. Floyd says that Cotto doesn't draw, yet he will be wiling to fight Cintron or Williams, which together they wouldn't draw as much as Cotto. None of this matters because this fight will never happen, and Floyd and his fans will try to defend and justify this until the end, when there is no justification.
look at your sig
dude your subliminal mexican nationalism isn't any different.
All this while you have a giant banner of Trinidad on yours...lol. Unbelievable:nonono:
Why are people even debating this? PBF stans need to mant he fuck up and stop making stupid statements such as "PAUL WILLIAMS IS A BIGGER DRAW THAN COTTO AND THATS WHY FLOYD SHOULDNT FIGHT COTTO"
Maybe because English is is second language. Do you expect him to answer questions in long descriptive sentences? He even said, "I get stuck on one phrase, I have to work on that."
cotto is a humble dude.
he doesn't need to be an arrogant bastard,he can remain steely
like i stated in another thread,there is more money in a cotto fight than anybody else around that weight class,fact is if this was as easy for floyd as all those matches he's picked before ,he would've jumped on it all ready.he's doing the same shit he did to margarito,only problem is there are actual $$$ in a fight with cotto.
what has he done to warrant a number 2 spot in the division? judah lost to f***ing baldomir, and shane was only a good win, not a great win, past his prime. wow, he is undefeated!!!! gimme a break. you cant make an objective arguement for cotto giving him a decent fight,(floyd either puts on a boxing clinic if he respects cotto's power, or doesnt respect his power and attacks him, ending the fight with the accumulation of solid punches) he wont draw until (if he ever does) he beats quality boxers in their primes. no money in it for floyd(relatively speaking), nothing for his legacy, and cotto will get so frusterated that he is liable to hit floyd low or do something else cheap to attempt to even the playing field. cotto, beat williams or cintron in an exiting fashion and then maybe it will be a thought, until then you dont have the merits to fight the best in the world. and people just sound like idiots when they say floyd is obligated to fight cotto or he should lose his pound for pound title. HE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH QUALITY WINS TO EVEN BE CLOSE TO THIS POINT. if you want to see them fight great! but floyd doesnt need to fight a guy that has a lame resume at this point in time, granted it could improve.....
Why do you need to be a pussy about it and post on your alt? And the other Floyd fan that keeps agreeing with you.
Yeah Judah and "fucking Baldomir!" are the only two fighters Mayweather has beaten in this division, so your argument fucking sucks. By that indication Cotto should be number 1.
To say Cotto would have to beat Williams to get a title shot is laughable. Cotto has done more at 147 than Mayweather has: FACT.
Cotto is a fucking robot with no personality. I actually DO like him as a fighter, but as a person, I don't even have an opinion on him because he's just creepy.
Interviewer: How do you feel coming into this fight?
Cotto (in his usual broken English): I train pretty hard. I feel pretty good and am coming to fight.
Interviewer: Cotto, so who would you like to fight next?
Cotto: I willing to fight whoever they put in front of me; I only come to fight.
^Before and after a fight, this is the most you'll ever get out of him. Fucking annoying..
For me, a Hatton win for Floyd is bigger than a Cotto win, seeing as how he never won a legitimate championship there at 140 and is now fighting the linear champ. Ultimately, he has absolutely nothing to prove after that, after already beating the best at 130, 135, and 147 (at that time.. before Cotto moved up, Williams came on the scene, and Mosley moved back down).. Cotto has a lot to prove, therefore needs someone like Mayweather more than someone like Mayweather needs him.
Maybe because English is is second language. Do you expect him to answer questions in long descriptive sentences? He even said, "I get stuck on one phrase, I have to work on that."