Did Kessler get a draw?

Judge "Raul Cais" scored rounds 4,7 and 12 for Kessler John stewart scored rounds 2,4,5 and 12 for Kessler The Italian judge scored 2,4,5,10 (not 12???!) for Kessler Amongst the 3 judges you can find 6 different rounds for Kessler (personally i would give round 1 to Kessler too) so i guess You could make the argument that Kessler got robbed!! he didn't get robbed homie he got schooled, I had losing 3 rounds to 9 for Joe.. 100

calzaghe won rounds 1,3, a close 5th, clear 6,7,8,9,10,11... kessler won 2,4 and 12...

I havent seen the fight but by the sound of it joe won clearly, i will have the fight on dvd soon ause my friend recorded it and i can make an honest opinion.

and i think some people are confusing what im trying to say.. which is probably down to my poor articulation. anyhow lets just say i scored this fight the same as stewart with the first round split so pretty much the same as you lot. i do differentiate between power and quality.. i think kessler's right crosses and right upper cuts were the best shots of the fight.. calzaghe does have some pop in his punches and there's no doubt he was the victor. No I understood and to a degree I am on the same page as you. I was merely pointing out that the rules have to be set otherwise we wouldn't get anywhere i.e. the soring process must be defined otherwise some judges would score far differently to others. Kessler's shots were definitely the more dangerous ones and a lot of times Calzaghe throws arm punches but they are hurtful punches. Therefore I was only making the point that if someone lands a 'bomb' it is no different scoring wise than a well delivered jab.

and i think some people are confusing what im trying to say.. which is probably down to my poor articulation. anyhow lets just say i scored this fight the same as stewart with the first round split so pretty much the same as you lot. i do differentiate between power and quality.. i think kessler's right crosses and right upper cuts were the best shots of the fight.. calzaghe does have some pop in his punches and there's no doubt he was the victor.

i guess i over exaggerated my point. i just mean that if you have to make a call between quantity and quality ive always leant towards quality Some people seem to be confusing quality with power. Kessler probably landed heavier blows but that is because he was going for those. Calzaghe's weren't as powerful but they were more accurate and more in number. Plus he was hit a lot less. Although as Kessler suffered a closed left eye and all Calzaghe got was a scrape above the bridge of his nose then I guess Calzaghe's shots must have had some sting in them.

Judge "Raul Cais" scored rounds 4,7 and 12 for Kessler John stewart scored rounds 2,4,5 and 12 for Kessler The Italian judge scored 2,4,5,10 (not 12???!) for Kessler Amongst the 3 judges you can find 6 different rounds for Kessler (personally i would give round 1 to Kessler too) so i guess You could make the argument that Kessler got robbed!! I saw it exactly how John Stewart saw it and there is no fucking way it was a draw or Kessler got robbed.......

well there you go ive never heard the proper definition if that's it. 'a scoring point is given' sounds kind of amateurish.. ive always gone with the age old.. if you had to change places with one of them for that round.. who would you rather it be. That's exactly how I score fight. At the end of the round, I imagine which fighter I'd rather have traded places with in that round. The fighter I pick is the fighter that won the round. This of course supposes that you're not a masochist and wouldn't trade places with the guy who got hit more/harder, lol.

I see your point but that's not the rules is it? The rules state that a scoring point is given when a shot without being blocked, lands directly with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the front or sides of the head or body (excluding arms) above the belt; and does not infringe the rules (i.e. is not a foul); and connects with the weight of the body or shoulder. Otherwise true boxers with no power could ever win a fight? Most of Calzaghe shots although not earth shattering do connect with force hence Kessler's eye was jabbed almost shut. i guess i over exaggerated my point. i just mean that if you have to make a call between quantity and quality ive always leant towards quality

well there you go ive never heard the proper definition if that's it. 'a scoring point is given' sounds kind of amateurish.. ive always gone with the age old.. if you had to change places with one of them for that round.. who would you rather it be.

i think i had it 7 to joe 1 drawn and 4 to kessler from memory. i go more for quality of the shots than quantity. if fighter A lands 10 punches without phasing his opponent and fighter B lands 1 punch that does hurt his opponent.. ive got to give it to fighter B.. that's pro boxing for me.. I see your point but that's not the rules is it? The rules state that a scoring point is given when a shot without being blocked, lands directly with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the front or sides of the head or body (excluding arms) above the belt; and does not infringe the rules (i.e. is not a foul); and connects with the weight of the body or shoulder. Otherwise true boxers with no power could ever win a fight? Most of Calzaghe shots although not earth shattering do connect with force hence Kessler's eye was jabbed almost shut.

you have to accept, that some people do score fights in different ways, i didnt have joe winning 9-3 or 8-4, i do admit that joe won, but the margin was to wide. but that really doesnt matter, it wasnt a robbery, it wastn bad for boxing, and whether or not someone had it 9-3 or a draw, kessler just didnt do enough to win, and the victory was rightfully joe´s. Of course everyone has a different view especially if you have a personal investment in a fighter however in this case the judges were unanimous albeit one judged JC to be 6 ahead instead of four like the others and Kessler and his team offered no complaints whatsoever. If it had have been that close do you not think that Kessler and his team would have made some noise about it? Of course they would. I agree that the fight could have been interpreted differently depending on your viewing angle and your personal point of view but there is no way it could ever have been given as a draw. Great fight, well contested by both but Calzaghe was the clear winner.

I had it 8-4 for Calzaghe. Some rounds were close but Joe won ATLEAST 7 rounds. He definitely won that fight.

i think i had it 7 to joe 1 drawn and 4 to kessler from memory. i go more for quality of the shots than quantity. if fighter A lands 10 punches without phasing his opponent and fighter B lands 1 punch that does hurt his opponent.. ive got to give it to fighter B.. that's pro boxing for me..

You have to remember that not everyone scores a fight the same. Some people favor the fighter that throws more punches and some favor the fighter who lands the harder blows, even if they're less. If you look at the punchstat numbers, Joe threw a ton of jabs that, while they score, don't count as much, to me, as a few landed power punches. I'll give you an example, and this is a bit of an exageration for the purpose of demonstration: say fighter A lands 60/100 in a round and fighter B lands 30/60. You'd probably think that fighter A did better. Now, imagine that fighter A's numbers in that round were 55/90 jabs and 5/10 power punches while figher B's numbers were 30/50 power punches and 0/10 jabs. Who would you score the round for now? I'd say the guy who connected more power punches should win the round most of the time (you have to take the other factors like ring generalship and defense into consideration, too). In the early rounds, Joe was jabbing more and throwing less power punches while Kessler was connecting more power punches, per round, that Joe. That's why I gave most of the early rounds to Kessler. Like I said before, I had it either 6-6 or 7-5 Joe. I don't think Kessler did enough to win, but it was a competitive fight. Exactly. I remember watching the fight and Kessler told his trainer Richard Olsen "I don't know what to do" In danish of course

Kessler dign't get a draw, he wasn't robbed, Calzaghe didn't get a cheap decision .. Mikkel Kessler was beat fair and square by the best Super Middleweight ever You have to remember that not everyone scores a fight the same. Some people favor the fighter that throws more punches and some favor the fighter who lands the harder blows, even if they're less. If you look at the punchstat numbers, Joe threw a ton of jabs that, while they score, don't count as much, to me, as a few landed power punches. I'll give you an example, and this is a bit of an exageration for the purpose of demonstration: say fighter A lands 60/100 in a round and fighter B lands 30/60. You'd probably think that fighter A did better. Now, imagine that fighter A's numbers in that round were 55/90 jabs and 5/10 power punches while figher B's numbers were 30/50 power punches and 0/10 jabs. Who would you score the round for now? I'd say the guy who connected more power punches should win the round most of the time (you have to take the other factors like ring generalship and defense into consideration, too). In the early rounds, Joe was jabbing more and throwing less power punches while Kessler was connecting more power punches, per round, than Joe. That's why I gave most of the early rounds to Kessler. Like I said before, I had it either 6-6 or 7-5 Joe. I don't think Kessler did enough to win, but it was a competitive fight.

Judge "Raul Cais" scored rounds 4,7 and 12 for Kessler John stewart scored rounds 2,4,5 and 12 for Kessler The Italian judge scored 2,4,5,10 (not 12???!) for Kessler Amongst the 3 judges you can find 6 different rounds for Kessler (personally i would give round 1 to Kessler too) so i guess You could make the argument that Kessler got robbed!! By the same reasoning you could say Calzaghe won eleven rounds, as only round 4 was denied him on all three cards.

Kessler dign't get a draw, he wasn't robbed, Calzaghe didn't get a cheap decision .. Mikkel Kessler was beat fair and square by the best Super Middleweight ever i second that :banana:

Ok, I thought it was "Calzaghe does'nt impress me at all" guy, but now I'm sure. This HAS to be Kessler. No Mikkel, it was'nt a draw. You won 3 rounds....keep in mind there were 12. Not even Kessler is crazy enough to think he won that fight.

No way Kessler won round 5 or 7. I'll have to rewatch round 5 but remember it being close, but edging towards Calzaghe if anyone. Certainly not 10-9 Kessler. I'm amazed by the amount of people giving round 7 to Kessler. Sure he landed a few bombs and a had a good 30 seconds or so, but Calzaghe was well on top during the round. Same with Round 12.