I didn't see the jab from Juan as much as he should have and if you contest that then our ideals in the sport are just different. I'm just saying that 606 power punches out of 774 punches is not using your jab enough, especially for an in-fighter like Juan. Mike Tyson (the ultimate in-fighter) used his jab coming in a lot early in his career and that was when he was most successful so I'm just saying that it wouldn't hurt Juan to use it a little more. Against Julio he could get away with it, but up at 140 he would get eaten up on the way in against the bigger punchers. And his footspeed does SUCK, don't be such a fanboy. Just because he's a come forward fighter and doesn't really need to use his foot movement as much doesn't mean he has great footspeed. Look at the fight from all perspectives, not just against that particular fighter if you're so educated about the sport.
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He countered Julio's jab with accurate right hands though. That's probably the main reason Julio opted to fight inside to change it up. Problem was he didn't have enough power to bother Juan so the latter just opened up.
Juan's power ain't special. That's why most guys think they could stand inside with him. That's the lure. Then they just get flatout outworked and get discouraged. Reminded me some of Kassim Ouma.
Oh yeah, I agree he doesn't use his jab as often as he should. Too bad, cuz he's got a decent one too.
774 mins 606. That still leaves 170 jabs genius. And that's for a pressure fighter.
And his footspeed doesn't suck either. That's just you making shit up to try and sound educated. Educate yourself about the sport.
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I didn't see the jab from Juan as much as he should have and if you contest that then our ideals in the sport are just different. I'm just saying that 606 power punches out of 774 punches is not using your jab enough, especially for an in-fighter like Juan. Mike Tyson (the ultimate in-fighter) used his jab coming in a lot early in his career and that was when he was most successful so I'm just saying that it wouldn't hurt Juan to use it a little more. Against Julio he could get away with it, but up at 140 he would get eaten up on the way in against the bigger punchers. And his footspeed does SUCK, don't be such a fanboy. Just because he's a come forward fighter and doesn't really need to use his foot movement as much doesn't mean he has great footspeed. Look at the fight from all perspectives, not just against that particular fighter if you're so educated about the sport.
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You don't have to pack a huge punch if you throw as many punches as Diaz does. He throws a hard enough punch to show when he's decisevly landing and to keep his opponents from getting careless, while impressing judges in doing so. Deep in fights his punches take even more effect. He doesn't have to swing for the fences for the fight to be stopped.
But he can't punch. He is a good fighter, but in with a fighter that will go in the trenches with him, and can punch, he will lose. I like him though, he is fun and exciting and has a good story, but he cant punch.
Swarmers need to be able to punch, but he cant. He reminds me of Joe Frazier a bit with his style, but he cant punch.
I was thinking the same...of course that's also why I've picked Juan Diaz to lose more than a couple times (especially the Popo fight), but he's making a believer out of me.
What fight wer you watching? He popped the jab plenty of times. Round 7 he exclusively used it. Showed some nice counterpunching skills also when Julio was backing him up.
And against Frietas he really used a jab when Frietas was on his bike.
And Juan's footspeed isn't bad either.
I dont know where you're getting these idea's from. They're really offbase.
What fight was I watching, what fight were you watching brutha?? Out of 774 punches 606 were POWER PUNCHES. Power punches are Juan's game man, he did use the jab in the later rounds somewhat, but he's no jabber man, let's be real here. And his footspeed sucks, Julio was running circles around him when he actually chose to box. Whatever, it was a great performance, but let's not make a god out of this guy. He's a swarmer with great stamina and punch volume. He overwhelms his opponents, but he doesn't destroy them.
but pacquaio is coming up from featherweight or smaller. diaz's power would be more effective to pacquaio because he is coming up and facing a natrual lightweight. when you move up in weight, you lose the advantages you at at the smaller weight class. pacquiao probably has a size and strenght advantage over all of the super featherweights. but if he moves up, he is facing fighters that are bigger and stronger than he is so he wont be as dominant. i wouldnt be suprised if diaz actually stopped pacquaio.
I think he would work Paulie. Not work him, but it would be a real ugly fight. Juan would be the eventual winner.
Juan is very susceptible to the jab. He basically doesn't have (or maybe just doens't use) his own and a guy like Paulie would pop him with it all night long. Juan's footspeed is also very bad, I don't get why Julio didn't take advantage of that as he was obviously the much better boxer. Anyway, Paulie wouldn't be stupid to stand there and let Juan flurry on him. Paulie would UD him fairly easily.
He looked good, but as others say he can't punch.
If he would face Pacquaio I'd give it to Pacquaio because of Pacquiao's power and I think Pacquiao also has faster hands just by a bit. That and Pacquiao's southpaw stance could be a problem too.
As i watched the fight, watching Juan Diaz break down Julio Diaz was amazing. He may not punch hard, but easily weakened his opponent. He'll get that 4th belt if he keeps fighting like that.
As for Julio, it upsets me to see him quit. He wasn't a warrior tonight and quitters are not warriors. =/. Bring on Pacquiao.
Julio was never seriously hurt at all through out the fight and he's not exactly known for having an iron chin. He was taking Juan's shots flush and basically walked right throught them. The fight was basically waved off because Julio's pace was just too overwhelming and so Julio's corner felt he didn't need take any more punches, but in no way shape or form was Julio hurt, just discouraged, just like Freitas was.
A fighter with a good chin and motivation to walk into the fire and fire back with some power (julio didn't have any) will be able to throw Juan off his game. The key to beating Juan is to pack a punch that will be able to disuade him from swarming in and going to work with 5 and 6 punch combinations that he was freely getting away with against Julio Diaz.
Though Juan Diaz isn't losing to anyone at 135 anytime soon, the guys with the best shot to beat him are Pac and Katsidis. Both of these guys harbor the punching power to put some hurting on Juan's hard head. Casamayor's old ass would get swallowed up, David Diaz would get KO'd (he didn't look so good against an old and undersized Morales for heavens sake).
I think Juan will also definitely be up at 140 in a year or two. He's such a thick, squatty looking guy and I can see him tangling with the likes of Paulie Malignaggi at that weight. He'd get school by Paulie though.
Me and a few more people on here have been talking about Juan since his fight with Jose Cotto,hes a beast,the type of fighter that could go 15 rounds
i've been hyped on diaz since he fought lavka sim. at that point, many folks on this board talked shit and laughed that i backed diaz
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imo one juan fought well did not turn julio diaz as much as he has other opponents such as sim or cotto
But he can't punch. He is a good fighter, but in with a fighter that will go in the trenches with him, and can punch, he will lose. I like him though, he is fun and exciting and has a good story, but he cant punch.
Swarmers need to be able to punch, but he cant. He reminds me of Joe Frazier a bit with his style, but he cant punch.
Maybe you didnt watch the fight just now? Come on. Have you not seen Julio fight before? He can punch, he can get KO's and he did nothing but stay in the trenches with Juan...lost every round.
But he can't punch. He is a good fighter, but in with a fighter that will go in the trenches with him, and can punch, he will lose. I like him though, he is fun and exciting and has a good story, but he cant punch.
Swarmers need to be able to punch, but he cant. He reminds me of Joe Frazier a bit with his style, but he cant punch.
yes, but his build up damage through the fight is amazing.
why do you think freitas and julio didnt continue?? it was because he just slowly cracks their opponents. after the freitas fight i was really impressed with juan and today he was just as impressive.
i would love that he now fight the other diaz and win all four belts cos he deserves it.
Juan keeps improving more and more. and he doesnt seem to really hurt people often, but his punches must wear people down horribly. Hes made both Freitas and Juilo Diaz quit. and theyre pretty tough guys, people look at the Corrales fight for Freitas, but he showed tons of heart against Barrios, didnt he?
and Julio has never show mental weakness.
what impressed me the most is his defense. it looked fantastic. anyone know the punchstats on this fight?
Juan just keeps impressing me with how much he improves, its just so drastic of a change in every fight! he used to just wear people down with his speed and volume of punches on the inside, but now you can actually see his improvement in each fight when it comes to skilled infighting.
plus his style is naturally one of the most exciting in boxing! the only problem is that he keeps making his fights stop very suddenly and undramatically, he always makes people quit or someone else calls the fight for them, I cant remember one single time his opponent has been counted out, haha...
I said sombody willing to go into the trenches, by definition that is not Freitas.
Then, I don't see anyone that is willing to, nor has the power to go into the trenches and punch nonstop like Diaz, to make him slow down.
I think Juan is a decent puncher. the reason why he does not look like he can punch is because he focus more on combinations and scoring more points than his opponents. I think if he really started to crank up those shots and throw them harder, he will show alot of power.
But he can't punch. He is a good fighter, but in with a fighter that will go in the trenches with him, and can punch, he will lose. I like him though, he is fun and exciting and has a good story, but he cant punch.
Swarmers need to be able to punch, but he cant. He reminds me of Joe Frazier a bit with his style, but he cant punch.
He has got some power,not devastating nor 1 punch but he has snap,he throws so many punches and is so strong that he wears u down until u dont wanna continue,theres nothing u can do to stop him,hes gota great chin,he walked thru Freitas's punches easily and rocked him many times