P4P Strongest Punchers - TODAY

You still haven't answered the question! Lets review this again........ PDL - He has only faced one guy who has an A-class chin and that's Gerry Penalosa, a 35 year old, undersized fighter. And he couldn't put a dent on him. In fact it was PDL who ran the last 4 rounds. Is this a fact? Pavlik - He has faced who? Jermain Taylor's chin isn't exactly on MAB's, EM's, and JMM's level. That's Pavlik's biggest name to date! Cotto - He faced who? Zab "Mr. Chicken Dance" Judah. Hell, Cotto had to resort to dirty tactics just to simmer down ZAB(lol) Do any of Cotto's opponents chins pale in comparison to MAB, EM, and JMM? Vlad - LOL Rafa - He may not have the resume that PAC has, but I think Rafa in comparison to PAC is definitely legit with his k.o. power! But again, Rafa's fists have not met w/ EM, MAB type chin! I don't know, maybe we should ask his brother, Juan, he would know how hard his bro hits and he obviously knows how hard PAC hits. So, again I ask you. Do any of these guys above, faced the same caliber chins PAC's fists have faced? Who else y'all got? Listen man, I'm not saying these guys don't hit harder than PAC, but the type of chins these guys have faced does not compare to what PAC has faced? Until then, I'd have to pick PAC! Cintron faced teddy reid, knocked his ass out, estrada, handed him his first knock out, faced mark suarez, handed him his first knockout (these three are known for their amazing chins), faced matthysse, brutally knocked him out (pwil had a knockout of him, but it took 10 rounds, not 1 round and 39 seconds.) that's some pretty good chins that got checked hard.

This is where you are an id*ot. You use the example of PAC unable to take out Larios - Are you aware that the longer the fight went for PAC, the more $$$ he made from the numerous brands he endorses in his native country? There was definitely a huge incentive for PAC to stretch the fight . Let me ask you. If a company(in PAC's case companies) came and offered you that for each complete round you finish, they'll add $1,000 on top of the money you are already suppose to make . Here's a little simple math for you.... If you complete a full three rounds, you get $3,000 If you complete a full six rounds, you get $6,000 If you complete a full twelve rounds, you get $12,000 I don't know how old you are, but here's an analogy - if you work for a company, they actually give out CASH bonuses on certain holidays. PAC simply got a bonus from the big corporate bigwigs in his country for everytime he completed a round! Are you gonna tell me that you're gonna turn down a $500 cash bonus from your boss, because you wanted to go home early so you can play video games?(lol) So what if MAB was tko'd by Junior Jones. How many years ago was that prior to him facing PAC. MAB was never ko'd or even suffered a knockdown after PAC annihilated him. MAB's motivation in the rematch wasn't to win, he simply wanted to survive and take the easy way out. JMM's kd from the hands of Norwood was more of a flash knockdown. i don't even count that kinda knockdown. so... he's a corporate whore? will underperform to make a little bit (and for him, $1000 dollars is a little bit) more? that's asinine, and if it's true, i have just lost a ton of respect for him.

Wlad Pac-Man Pavlik R. Marquez Cotto isn't really a big puncher. Exactly. Cintron punches WAY harder than Cotto at welter. someone else mentioned Pwil as well...huh? i mean, pwil overwhelms with volume of punches and gets awesome KO's, but not with much power. to pick anyone at 147 over cintron in this specific category would be incorrect.

Because PAC gets to f**k 40 virgins if he completed 12 rounds. Wouldn't you want to f**k 40 virgins? Sure buddy..sure.

Buddy, in case you haven't heard. $$$ rules everything around us. Why do you think these guys fight? To live the high life, to provide for their families, to set themselves up for life after boxing(DLH would know something about this, Mayweather would know something about this, etc..). How is the whole PAC -Larios reason B.S. Do you know the extra amount of $$$ PAC received from his corporate sponsors just to stretch the fight. Are you kidding me? Just in case you didn't know. PAC's fight with Larios worked like the Super Bowl. all the major brands in his country were vying for a t.v spot in between rounds. Imagine how much more all the brands got exposure for the fact that it went 12 rounds instead of 1, 2, or 3. Ya get the picture here, it's all about $$$$ and not much else. PAC makes money by entertaining w/ his fists, corporations want to get in on PAC's popularity and they'll ride him for as long as his fists allow him. If I came to you and said. I'll give you $1,000 if you complete a round but if you complete 12 full rounds, you'll be earning $12,000 . Which one would you aim for? I never said MAB never got ko'd or tko'd prior to facing PAC. But it was a long time between the Jones and PAC fight. After PAC destroyed MAB, he went on a winning streak, he hit a little bump in the road by grinding it out w/ Juarez,but he avenged that in dominating fashion, but the rematch w/ PAC, he knew what he was up against, MAB knew he couldn't dance around PAC the way he did against Juarez. There's something in PAC that's giving your legends problems..........HIS POWER. Because before him and after him most of your legends have never been down. It all revolves around PAC So let me ask you this,why did he just not knock him out in the 12 round after he knocked him down?I mean all the rounds had passed right,there was no in betwwen rounds cuz that was the last round.So why not stop him there and then?In front of all his people?I'll tell you why cuz he couldn't finish him.All you make is excuses.

In no real order.. Kermit Cintron.. Manny Pacquiao.. Kelly Pavlik.. R. Marquez.. Israel Vazquez..

Pavlik over Cotto for damn sure. The others i don't know sorry. MAnny isnt that powerful 1. Pavlik 2. Israel Vasquez 3. Pacquiaou

Do you know the extra amount of $$$ PAC received from his corporate sponsors just to stretch the fight. Are you kidding me? You're the ones making the claims. Prove it.

This is where you are an id*ot. You use the example of PAC unable to take out Larios - Are you aware that the longer the fight went for PAC, the more $$$ he made from the numerous brands he endorses in his native country? There was definitely a huge incentive for PAC to stretch the fight . Let me ask you. If a company(in PAC's case companies) came and offered you that for each complete round you finish, they'll add $1,000 on top of the money you are already suppose to make . Here's a little simple math for you.... If you complete a full three rounds, you get $3,000 If you complete a full six rounds, you get $6,000 If you complete a full twelve rounds, you get $12,000 I don't know how old you are, but here's an analogy - if you work for a company, they actually give out CASH bonuses on certain holidays. PAC simply got a bonus from the big corporate bigwigs in his country for everytime he completed a round! Are you gonna tell me that you're gonna turn down a $500 cash bonus from your boss, because you wanted to go home early so you can play video games?(lol) So what if MAB was tko'd by Junior Jones. How many years ago was that prior to him facing PAC. MAB was never ko'd or even suffered a knockdown after PAC annihilated him. MAB's motivation in the rematch wasn't to win, he simply wanted to survive and take the easy way out. JMM's kd from the hands of Norwood was more of a flash knockdown. i don't even count that kinda knockdown. Oh give me a fucking break man.All I always hear from you guys are excuses.So what if Jones t.koed Barrera well I was simply correcting your claim that Barrera had never been k.oed.That whole Pac/Larios excuse is bullshit.

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Ask EM, JMM, and MAB how powerful he is. If that doesn't shut y'all the f**k up. then y'all are hopeless. This sh*t ain't even up for debate really, PAC is simply P4P The strongest puncher today. His resume speaks for itself. MAB's feedback, EM's feedback of how strong a puncher PAC is, is worth more than any of our opinions, don't ya think? Rafa's biggest fight came against Israel Vasquez - I like Israel, but he was simply getting manhandled by PAC at Wildcard. Don't even use the weight issue. Because PAC was the smaller man against MAB the first time. PAC was the smaller man against JMM. PAC was the smaller man against EM in their first two fights. Not only that, I personally saw PAC sparring with Vasquez and you can hardly tell the size difference! PDL, PAVLIK, WLAD, RAFAEL, COTTO, CINTRON, Whoever else y'all wanna put up. Can any of the above reference fighters matchup the type of chins PAC's fists have faced in recent years? Bro, your so blinded, please go back to Pacland, it's disgusting, really. :twak: :puke:

No way Pac is the hardest p4p puncher.... He packs a good punch; but he is not a 1 punch knockout guy.

Let's hear em? This excludes heavyweights of course. 1.) Israel Vasquez 2.) Rafael Marquez 3.) Miguel Cotto 4.) Manny Pacquiao 5.) Kelly Pavlik Sound good? :boxing: Pavlik over Cotto for damn sure. The others i don't know sorry. MAnny isnt that powerful

This is where you are an id*ot. You use the example of PAC unable to take out Larios - Are you aware that the longer the fight went for PAC, the more $$$ he made from the numerous brands he endorses in his native country? There was definitely a huge incentive for PAC to stretch the fight . Let me ask you. If a company(in PAC's case companies) came and offered you that for each complete round you finish, they'll add $1,000 on top of the money you are already suppose to make . Here's a little simple math for you.... If you complete a full three rounds, you get $3,000 If you complete a full six rounds, you get $6,000 If you complete a full twelve rounds, you get $12,000 I don't know how old you are, but here's an analogy - if you work for a company, they actually give out CASH bonuses on certain holidays. PAC simply got a bonus from the big corporate bigwigs in his country for everytime he completed a round! Are you gonna tell me that you're gonna turn down a $500 cash bonus from your boss, because you wanted to go home early so you can play video games?(lol) So what if MAB was tko'd by Junior Jones. How many years ago was that prior to him facing PAC. MAB was never ko'd or even suffered a knockdown after PAC annihilated him. MAB's motivation in the rematch wasn't to win, he simply wanted to survive and take the easy way out. JMM's kd from the hands of Norwood was more of a flash knockdown. i don't even count that kinda knockdown. hmm interesting, i for 1 didnt know that. btw wouldnt the company would want to see a fascinating ko intstead of 12 full rds?

ok i think people get things mixed up ok look a ko artist is a person who can ko sobody out with a single punch thus making their apponent not continue. then boxers who just simply tko a guy in the late rds is different.

PAC's detractors say PAC's move up in weight has made him more of an accumulation puncher rather than a KO artist. What they haven't taken into account or have chosen to look the other way is that PAC's competition have Grade A chins. Chins that are considered some of the best boxing have seen. Can Pavlik, PDL, Cotto, or whoever else y'all got above PAC say that their fists have met the same granite chins PAC's left straight and right hook have faced? For PDL yes, he faced a 35 year old Gerry Penalosa who is also considered by many and has proven he has a Grade A chin since he has never been ko'd or tko'd in his entire career. And PDL couldn't even come close to rockin' the old man. The MAB's, JMM's, EM's, and even Larios's of the world, it's gonna take more than one single shot to knock 'em down or out. The opponents will have to gut 'em/chop 'em down. One single cannon shot just won't do. And guess what, PAC's the only one that's been able to either knock 'em down or out. That speaks volumes of PAC's sheer punching force. The one thing lacking w/ PAC and I do believe that if he does develop it, he'll be getting more of those 1punch ko wins is his punch accuracy/selection. Most of PAC's punches end up on his opponents nose or cheekbone, he needs to be more precised by landing on the chin or temple of his opponents. If PAC landed the same shots he did on JMM's nose, and it ended up on JMM's chin or temple. I seriously think JMM may have not recovered. This is were your wrong before he fought Pacquiao Larios was k.oed by Vasquez ,and Pac couldn't even k.o him.he was also recently k.oed by Linare and again Pac could'nt finish him.So what does that say about Pac's power that Linares and Vasquez has more power?Barrera was also k.oed by Junior Jones before Pac got to him.And Marquez was knocked down by fredie Norwood before.If Pac had such great power he would have been able to finish marquez off.I give you morales but then again when i think about it he was to weak from trying to make weight so that might have affected him.

im struggling with this pac thing, he's not a concussive puncher, his thing is the accumalation of his shots

1. edwin valero 2. wlad klitschko... (see anyone walk through his straight right)? 3. pavlik 4. vazquez 5. pac-man 6. ponce de leon 7. cotto 8. cintron yes all of thse guys hit harder than raf marquez.

Cintron R Marquez Pacman Miranda Ponce de Leon Torres David Haye

1-Pavlik 2-Vazquez 3-Katsidis 4-Torres 5-Cintron