Rafael: "Folks Who Rank Pacquiao #1 P4P are Lying to Themselves"

I'm all serious dude. Also. Is there anything in my post that is incorrect? You may not like the presentation but that's as honest as it gets from me. No hypocrisy. You said Floyd ran like a chicken in all of his fights, and that he "held like John Ruiz". When in fact he rarely clinches. Either you haven't seen any of his fights or you're plain fucking ignorant. I'm willing to bet both.

Rafael who? Ahhh.... Rafael the idiot critic who ate his word consistently concerning Pac. Fact is, these idiot American critics don't want to admit they are wrong. They have consistently tried to put down Pac and when it returns back on their faces they would rather be a coward and an idiot than admit they are wrong. Also, I've said this again. Fake Floyd is a running chicken. He handpicks opponents and runs like a coward from Baldomir and old DLH. Vastly outclassed opponents which he should have beaten up rather than ran like a chicken. You were doing good until the last paragraph. You had to release your hate and start the chicken talk. Hard to take you seriously at that point.

that is more than mayweather. his best win is over a faded de la hoya who is older than barrera and morales. LOL what counts, age or fights? Morales had 50 fights when Pacman beat him and was coming off a loss, (when he beat pacman, he was coming off a loss, too, btw. Let's not forget the great pacman actually loses, which Mayweather does not) Barrera had 70SEVENTY70 fights and came in the ring, fighting to go to the distance this time around and was coming off a loss. De La hoya had 40 fights, he was coming off a win, and his style surely did not put him through the wear and tear that Barrera and Morales had to endure. btw Mayweather's has other excellent wins such as chicanito hernandez after less than 2 years as a pro and dismantling of p4p rated corrales who was knocking out the entire division.

mayweather dont have anything close to the resume of pacquio. pacquio has beaten many legendary fighters while floyd has been running from the best. name the legendary fighters Pacquiao beaten who were still close to their "legendary forms", please. I ll help you: Barrera the first time around. And that's it.

P4P is not just a measure of skill. It's a boxers ability to dominate the division. And MP has done that. He's been fighting the best for the last 3 years. Something Floyd has been avoiding for his whole career. Taking on Hatton from the lower division for instance is a prime example instead of taking a Cotto Mosley or Williams from his own division. MP is one dimensional? I guess you missed his last fight where he totally outboxed a superb boxer in MAB. Mayweather cannot come forward. All he does is pot shot. Pot shots for 12 rounds. Maybe a couple 1-2's or jab uppercuts. Nothing more. Otherwise, he is fighting going backwards and pot shots or shoots a single jab or a single cross. Thats one dimensional. How many power shots does he throw. Very few. One dimensional? Running backwards and pot shotting the whole fight.... thats freaking one dimensional. He does have great defense and I give him that. World titles have nothing to do with P4P either. P4P is not rating the past. Its rating the present. Were talking about what is being done as of today. And today. MP fights while PBF runs like a coward. Ok, you've convinced me (that you don't know boxing). First, you have no idea what P4P is. The term, some historians say (since nobody can really prove it's origin), was coined to give the great Sugar Ray Robinson a place in boxing as a whole. Ray was so great that boxing writers claimed he could beat ANY fighter from any division if they were just equal in size and weight. This was based on Robinson's skills and his skills alone. P4P is, and always has been, a way to judge a fighter's skills and abilities and compare them to his peers. Do you really think that Manny's skills and abilities are better than Mayweather's? Secondly, you say that MP is not one dimensional? You're one delusional, bro. Manny doesn't have the skills to box. Manny didn't box MAB, MAB boxed Manny while Manny chased him around the ring (hell, Manny wasn't even skilled enough to cut off the ring). Yes, he won the fight, but he never boxed, not one second of one round. Mayweather can box. He can come forward. Watch the N'Dou, Corley, Gatti, Manfredy, Augustus, and Corrales fights again and you'll see Mayweather be the aggressor in a few rounds of each of those fights. Also, Mayweather has beautiful combos. 4-, 5-, and 6-punch combos (sometimes more). Thirdly, you have to use the past to judge a fighter's P4P abilities. Just because someone gets off a lucky shot against a p4p ranked fighter doesn't mean he deserves to be on the list (especially if he's sucked all his career). If Gatti had beaten Mayweather, he still wouldn't have been a P4P contender. Why? Because of his past. BTW, what do you think it would take to get you off Manny's nuts?

No, he's not the best fighter in boxing. He drew with JMM in a fight where he lost on my cards at least 8 of the rounds. He lost to Morales in an exciting fight, then knocked out a washed up/weight drained Morales twice who had already been softened up by Raheem. Oh yeah and his first knockout over Barrera was impressive, but how impressive was the last fight? lol that wasn't even remotely PPV worthy. M.A.B. showed he only wanted to go about the motions, and I'd hazard to guess Pac's last outing is a bad example to use as why you'd rate him the best. Was he ranked #1 before Saturday? because that win shouldn't have catapulted him over the top. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

P4P is not just a measure of skill. It's a boxers ability to dominate the division. And MP has done that. No Pound 4 Pound is the ability to move up in weight and have the same success that they had at their original weight. Pac's did a good job of this.....But Floyd's done a GREAT job of this. Floyd pound for pound #1. Everyone knows it, you should accept it.

You might think he's boring and a coward, but P4P isn't a measure of how exciting a fighter is. It's a measure of skill and Mayweather CLEARLY is more skilled than Pac. Pac is one-dimensional (he can't fight going backwards, can't box, can't give you angles, can't circle an opponent, and has almost no defense). Mayweather, on the other hand, can come forward, box, circle, give angles, flurry, pot shot, and has a great defense. In the skill department, Pac is nowhere near PBF. As for the competition and accomplishments, how many World titles has Pac won? Just one? Riiiiiight, he's very accomplished. Floyd has at least one World title in 5 divisions and has fought the tougher opposition. P4P is not just a measure of skill. It's a boxers ability to dominate the division. And MP has done that. He's been fighting the best for the last 3 years. Something Floyd has been avoiding for his whole career. Taking on Hatton from the lower division for instance is a prime example instead of taking a Cotto Mosley or Williams from his own division. MP is one dimensional? I guess you missed his last fight where he totally outboxed a superb boxer in MAB. Mayweather cannot come forward. All he does is pot shot. Pot shots for 12 rounds. Maybe a couple 1-2's or jab uppercuts. Nothing more. Otherwise, he is fighting going backwards and pot shots or shoots a single jab or a single cross. Thats one dimensional. How many power shots does he throw. Very few. One dimensional? Running backwards and pot shotting the whole fight.... thats freaking one dimensional. He does have great defense and I give him that. World titles have nothing to do with P4P either. P4P is not rating the past. Its rating the present. Were talking about what is being done as of today. And today. MP fights while PBF runs like a coward.

Pac shouldn't be P4P no.1 unless he conquers (or at least partially conquers) 135. If he can do that, I'm on board. Right now, I would have Floyd a smidge or two above Pacquiao. that's fine, everybody's entitled to a decent opinion. but if one says pac is lightyears behind, then that's absolutely dumb.

Pac shouldn't be P4P no.1 unless he conquers (or at least partially conquers) 135. If he can do that, I'm on board. Right now, I would have Floyd a smidge or two above Pacquiao.

the only joke here is rafael because he is a fan of a coward and a duck. there is to much favortism in the american media. they always have to support there fighters like mayweather even though he is the most boring fighter in boxing and a coward. pacquio has beaten better competition has better accomplishments and he is an exciting fighter because he is a true warrior going for the knockout. You might think he's boring and a coward, but P4P isn't a measure of how exciting a fighter is. It's a measure of skill and Mayweather CLEARLY is more skilled than Pac. Pac is one-dimensional (he can't fight going backwards, can't box, can't give you angles, can't circle an opponent, and has almost no defense). Mayweather, on the other hand, can come forward, box, circle, give angles, flurry, pot shot, and has a great defense. In the skill department, Pac is nowhere near PBF. As for the competition and accomplishments, how many World titles has Pac won? Just one? Riiiiiight, he's very accomplished. Floyd has at least one World title in 5 divisions and has fought the tougher opposition. Just get off Manny's nuts for a second and compare them. As Dan said, anyone who thinks Pac should be ranked higher in the P4P rankings than Mayweather is either ignorant or a Pac nuthugger.

They were the top of the division when he faced them. And MAB was still ranked number 3 on Oct 8 2007. MP 1 JMM 2 and MAB 3. Shut the fuck up now. Discrediting boxers to try to prove a point. Shame on you. Dont worry dude, we all know Pac is the shit. I can't wait to see who he whoops next.

Blowing things out of proportion would be moving Calzaghe up to p4p number one right now. Putting Pac, who is widely considered to be number 2 already and also is widely considered to have been facing better comp than Floyd over the past 3 years, is not blowing things out of proportion.

How bout Pac and Floyd at 135, if they can both make that. Then we would see. Id pay $60 to see this.

Cause David Diaz sucks balls, plain and simple.. a prime Morales would've taken him out easily. aw make up ur mind wilya? u and ur horde of pachaters wouldn't give pac a chance against any of the diazes if ever pac moves up, now he sucks balls? r u gonna call him a bum too? u guys are so pathetic, u will bring down one fighter just to help ur hating agenda. tsktsk.

floyd beat castillo twice in two good competitve fights. judah lost to cotto after a year layoff and mayweather beat judah before his layoff. corley rocked cotto just like he did floyd but when he rocked floyd several seconds later, floyd knocked corley down, and he knocked him down at least 4 times which were not counted by the ref. cotto recieved a hometown stoppage over corley, seeing how corley was never knocked out prior to fighting cotto. cotto fought cotto after floyd, big whuff. cotto has never called out floyd. he and hatton witnessed gatti being murdered by floyd and they both wanted no part of him unitl he moved up in weight and his speed diminished a little bit. floyd has called out shane at 135 and 147. floyd has called out winky wright. floyd called out oscar from the begining stages of his career, floyd has called out freitas, cassmayor, lascano, and more who have all turned him down. he fights baldomir over margarito, and carlos has a great year defeating judah and gatti. floyd defeated chavez, n' dou, mitchell(who emanuel steward gave a great chance against floyd). floyd has called out so many people who were afraid to lose against him, so they opted not to take the fight. floyd defeated oscar who had a long layoff prior to their fight, but floyd called oscar out and while oscar was still fairly active, yet he had to wait, while oscar played mindgames, chose the ring size, chose the glove type, and the weight, yet, floyd still dominated though the scores didn't reflect it. mayweather would have dominated gatti at any point in gatti's career. ^^^^^^^^^^^^:)

My guess is Judah is faster than Manny. He dealt with Judah's speed pretty well. He only got caught with one shot, through the guard, so he saw it coming. I would bet he could deal with Manny's speed, meaning he would never get hit flush to feel Manny's power. So... where are you going with this hombre? Try reading the post that my post was in response to. Good lord. :smashfrea

No man, you are right... maybe he can fight Flash Elorde next, because he is also the best in the division. Shut the fuck up... Barrera/Morales were the best of the division 3 years ago. If you are going to call Barrera/Morales the best of the divison now, then we can safely say that Floyd beat a world beater in Sharmba Mitchell, because he was a good champion at 140. So fucking what that he was shot... no big deal. And guess what, De La Hoya was P4P #1 in 2000, so that means Floyd has a win over the P4P #1 now... isn't that swell. Seriously, this post is fucking absurd, because I am using your logic to justify why Floyd is better. Why don't we just save everyone a lot of trouble and live in the here and now, and not in 2004. Hmm? They were the top of the division when he faced them. And MAB was still ranked number 3 on Oct 8 2007. MP 1 JMM 2 and MAB 3. Shut the fuck up now. Discrediting boxers to try to prove a point. Shame on you.

Not fighting the best? What are you smoking man. EM MAB and JMM are not or were not the best in the division??? Please read joepal's post AGAIN. Your delusional. Gayboy Floyd is a ducker!!! OVERRATTED!!! No man, you are right... maybe he can fight Flash Elorde next, because he is also the best in the division. Shut the fuck up... Barrera/Morales were the best of the division 3 years ago. If you are going to call Barrera/Morales the best of the divison now, then we can safely say that Floyd beat a world beater in Sharmba Mitchell, because he was a good champion at 140. So fucking what that he was shot... no big deal. And guess what, De La Hoya was P4P #1 in 2000, so that means Floyd has a win over the P4P #1 now... isn't that swell. Seriously, this post is fucking absurd, because I am using your logic to justify why Floyd is better. Why don't we just save everyone a lot of trouble and live in the here and now, and not in 2004. Hmm?

But you floyd huggers make it seem erik folded on his own and you bypass the thought that erik lasted 12 w/ a bigger diaz. hows that for strength? Excellent post!