Scoring in the Pavlik fight....

I had pavlik winning by 1 point and could have been okay with a draw.

I had Taylor up clearly when I watched it the first time, but the second time seemed closer. (Maybe just because I was looking for Pavlik to throw the significant punches because I knew the end result)

i really depend on how you are scoring the fight.. an example.. pavlik connects with 25 shots, taylor only 20.. pavlik misses 50, taylor missed 25.. now what people tend to forget, that boxing is equally a sport, where the defensive plays a big role.. fans looks at, pavlik going forward, pavlik trowing a serious number of punches, and in some rounds out landing taylor by a fraction.. to the fan the agressor, the man throwing punches, seems like the man in control, but that wasnt the case for me.. i had taylor up by 2, going into round 7 You don't get points by not throwing punches. If I try to hit you and miss, but you don't counter, have you beaten me somehow? But what you're saying is even worse. If I throw four punches and land two, and you respond by jabbing me in the gut one time, you think you've beaten me? That's insane. Defense is sometimes overrated on here, but usually not in scoring. Your way would make boxing into figure skating

I had it 3-3 with Taylor up a point due to the 2nd round KO....what the judges were seeing I have no idea.

the official scoring was a travesty, it just proves what i've said about taylor being a protected HBO fighter, and makes all his others fights that were close a farce, especially his wins over hopkins, but that chapter has now been closed thanks to pavlik. i had pavlik leading 57-56 going into the 7th, dan rafael is a complete tit if that is how he scored the fight, and anyone else who scored the fight that much in taylors favor. that would be like scoring 11 rounds to 0 for trinidad against hopkins leading up to the 12 round before tito got ko'd, bullshit. i know no one scored the fight like that but it would be something that ridiculous. i've watched that fight about 10 times now and there is no way that i could find to give taylor more than the 2nd and 5th round albeit a 2 point 2nd round but that is it, taylor was being protected again, it seems like all taylor has to do is make it to the final bell and he's got the fight in the won or they will make it a draw like then did against winky. bullshit. this further strengthens my point on that taylor is and was a protected fighter. and all that talk about taylor fighting calzaghe, this fight further illustrates my point that taylor wasn't ready for a fight with clazaghe, because calzaghe is far too experienced and would maul taylor like he did lacy.

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that Taylor was ahead on the cards. Yes! In reality he WAS losing the fight, he thought so and so did his corner, BUT! Fights have been fixed to some degree for years. Did anyone really think Taylor won all of his last 5 fights?? You got to give the champion the benefit of the doubt is what I heard about Taylor's last wins(or draw) yet Hopkins didn't get that benefit when he fought Taylor the first time but then again Taylor was HBO's fighter and they controlled him but Hopkins was not. Pavlik could have only won that fight by stopping Taylor and the judges scored proved that at best if Taylor had gotten up and got the tar kicked out of him the rest of the fight at best Pavlik could have hoped for was a draw. With the amount of money made and lost with championships you better believe these judges know what's up and if they want to keep working they need to be wearing their rose colored glasses.Taylor was matched with smaller lighter guys since winning the championship and after meeting a young real middleweight who can punch you saw why. Taylor will move up in weight now to Super Middleweight be set up with cherry picked light punching blown up middleweights and will once again challenge for a title after padding his come back record. It will be interesting to see just who they pick on for his next title shot.

Yeah, I felt even though Taylor was ducking a few punches the compubox numbers were misleading. Taylor has a really high connect percentage for the bout, but I thought a lot, a lot of his punches were just barely getting there or being smothered, picked off, or just glancing blows. The reach for one thing, it seemed like Taylors punches just weren't actually connecting cleanly, the compubox numbers say he land 65% of his power shots, but I contend a lot of those blows landed on gloves. The reason for my scoring is Pavlik landed the cleaner more powerful shots for the entire fight. I think Hopkins always said, it's about who lands the more telling blows when it comes to scoring. I score for defense too, but if you look at the punch stats it looks like neither man had a great defense. So I just took that out period because Taylor really wasn't avoiding that many punches (not like you would score for winky or toney when they are showing real defensive skills) Even Taylor and Emanual thought they were behind in the bout.

After watching it again Rafael was way out of line. It's just not possible you can score six rounds for Taylor. I'll be honest though, watching it live I had the impresson Taylor was ahead on points. Then the second viewing I had it 4-2 for Pavlik. He parrys a lot of punches, and that's hard to catch live sometimes when your caught up in the excitement.

i really depend on how you are scoring the fight.. an example.. pavlik connects with 25 shots, taylor only 20.. pavlik misses 50, taylor missed 25.. now what people tend to forget, that boxing is equally a sport, where the defensive plays a big role.. fans looks at, pavlik going forward, pavlik trowing a serious number of punches, and in some rounds out landing taylor by a fraction.. to the fan the agressor, the man throwing punches, seems like the man in control, but that wasnt the case for me.. i had taylor up by 2, going into round 7

Pavlik was out-jabbing Taylor easy, especially in the last few rounds he was piling the points on. I think people are now just starting to find out that Pavlik's power may not look effective, but it has a deceptiveness about it that must be taken into account from now when he lands cleanly. I think Taylor's great chin and acting also helped him in swaying the judges as he played the 'not being hurt' role quite well. But Pavlik's look as a tall, skinny white kid who is all sinewy bone did not help him. But I think from now on people will judge his activity better now that he has proved himself.

I searched the forum but I didn't see a thread on this. Did anyone else think the "Fix" was in? The judges had the bout 59-54, 59-54, and 58-55 or something like this. I re-watched the fight several times. Taylor did NOT win round 1 or round 3. I think I could maybe give him 2 rounds out of round 4,5,6. Even Taylor was surprised at the scoring, especially because Emanual was telling him he was losing, which I think even with the knockdown in round 2 he was down going into round 7. I agree with Ledermans score card the most, and compubox numbers tend to back it up. Taylor was more accurate, but Kelly was landing more shots total in most round (except round 2) and he was pushing the action, controlling the ring, backing Taylor into the ropes. I had it 10-9, 8-10, 10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9. making it 58-56 going into the 7th for Pavlik. And even though at the end compubox numbers showed that overall they landed almost the same amount of punches, I watched that fight several times, a lot of Taylors punches were wide, being picked off, or didn't really get thru, Pavlik had his hands up most of the time. On the other side, Jermaine rarely keeps his hands up and it showed because when Pavlik threw a jab you could see it hit Taylor, and the blows Pavlik was landing were definitely more clean and effective. Were the Judges smoking? What do you guys think? That score really shocked me... i had it the same as you except on the 6th, that i gaved to taylor. so i had it 57-56 to taylor after the 6th. that guy that had it 59-54 knows nothing about boxing. =P

Correction. That six to zero shit was crazy.

I had taylor ahead by only one point. That six to one shit was crazy. I don't know what fight Rafael was watching.

Dan Rafael of ESPN had it scored 6 rounds to 0 for Taylor yeah well rafael is a known taylor nuthugger...he had him beating winky for gods sake.....i had taylor up by a point but pavlik could just as well be up by a point IMO...

Dan Rafael of ESPN had it scored 6 rounds to 0 for Taylor Wow, someone needs to get their eyes checked. Anyone really agree with that? Do all these guys really want Taylor to win that badly? You can see at the end of the fight Kelly took some damage, but his face was not swollen like Taylors was. Seriously, 6-0? Just look at the punch stats, if you saw those numbers you would think it would be scored evenly.

Dan Rafael of ESPN had it scored 6 rounds to 0 for Taylor