Is Paul Williams doing himself a disservice by fighting in the WW Division?

Wright is going down to 160. Spinks and Forrest are really the only big names at 154 right now. Neither are payday fights though, so if Williams is looking for that, don't expect him to move up. Aren't they all looking for that, now? LOL. You have heavyweights calling Mayweather out.

I thought Winky was going back down? Forest. I mean, either way I think more fighters would be inclined to fight, than in this division. Bet we will not see Williams fight again until mid-late spring and it will NOT be a top WW. Wright is going down to 160. Spinks and Forrest are really the only big names at 154 right now. Neither are payday fights though, so if Williams is looking for that, don't expect him to move up.

who would he fight at 154? there are no big names.. its a dull division.. I thought Winky was going back down? Forest. I mean, either way I think more fighters would be inclined to fight, than in this division. Bet we will not see Williams fight again until mid-late spring and it will NOT be a top WW.

who would he fight at 154? there are no big names.. its a dull division.. vernon forrest?

who would he fight at 154? there are no big names.. its a dull division..

That is not my point. I know he has a shot and so do most if not all of the other ww. My point is how many do you see scramming to fight him? When was his last fight? The men in this division are not going to risk their 0, their legacy etc. and step in the ring with a man who is 6'2 with an 82" reach. As far as power, I doubt that Williams is MORE powerful than most, moreso comparably powerful. Also, with as many punches as he threw against Marg, he landed in the low 20 percents or upper teens if I am not mistaken. Do not allow punch volume to confuse. It may look like a lot, but how accurate? How powerful? He should have been capable of KO'ing Tony with as many hits as he threw. I like Williams. I think he would be better challenged in that more of the best would be willing to take him on if he advanced is all. I think Williams should stay at WW and beat the top names. he can clean out the division. You guys may call it crazy, but I suggested this on another board... What would Williams/Pavlik look like at 160. I think Williams handspeed and size would trouble Pavlik. Williams has a decent chin. Pavlik would be at a size and speed disadvantage. He'd have advantages in power and that 160 is his natural weight. you two have unearthed it. By the time the other top fighters,maybe other than Cintron, are ready to fight him his body will have likely overstayed its welcome at that weight. In his fight against Margarito he looked absolutely horrible in his face, making that weight will likely be his downfall one way or the other

Yeah Marg had very good punch resistance .. and definetly got outworked .. which is why he lost *mighta mentioned that earlier .. dunno though judges are gonna notice the more active fighter (who happened to be P-Will) thats why post-fight Margarito complaining about losing is very stupid .. he simply got outworked your right .. Paul wasn't wiffing on all of em .. he did connect (with some pretty hard shots).. and couldn't KO Marg, cuz of Tony's very good chin Cotto-P-Will would be a very intriguing fight .. based on a lotta factors that you named ... sure Cotto is the harder puncher .. but I think your correct in that Miguel would eat punches just to get to Williams .. and Cotto's defense isn't the greatest. all Paul would have to do is keep his distance .. and throw punches in bunches ..dunno about a KO .. but it would be an interesting contrast of styles.

Winning begats exposure, exposure begats money, money begats a title shot against some of those other fighters. He has to just keep winning and he will get where he needs to be.

I think we're all in agreement that P-Will has skills and talent to call him a bum is just downright wrong but anyway .. "However, can that be classified as real skill? " most definetly ... im sure a lot more boxers would throw 100 plus punches a round if they could skill is having talent and ability .. so if P-Will can do it, I think it would count as a skill. im not gonna zero in on an exact number .. but everyone gets the idea that Punisher is a high volume puncher. but I agree that the high punch output is a lot more visually appealing .. you can literally see the fact that he throws lots and lots of punches each round as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100 doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't fuck up that badly .. can they? MJ you present a good point about the effectiveness of his punches. Let me break it down like this. You take 2 fighters AM and Cotto (just ex. people so dont get mad at me) AM- seems to not be bothered by his punches and just block most of them but still wasnt active enough to compete with his high output of punches. While most werer missing you still had some to connect and keep AM honest. Cotto- if they were to fight, Williams would make Cotto look bad. While some of Williams punches will miss, most punches will connect due to lack of defense and his straight foward style. That is taylor made for a guy who throws 100 punches a round. I could possible see Cotto KO due the accumalation of punches. The point I'm trying to make is that some fighters can block and take shots better than most and some cant. AM might have a good beard so that why 100 punches a round might not bother him where as you have Cotto who has a questionable chin and might be bothered by the 100 punches per round.

as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100 doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't fuck up that badly .. can they? Maybe they only do it when P-Will fights :boxing:

I think we're all in agreement that P-Will has skills and talent to call him a bum is just downright wrong but anyway .. "However, can that be classified as real skill? " most definetly ... im sure a lot more boxers would throw 100 plus punches a round if they could skill is having talent and ability .. so if P-Will can do it, I think it would count as a skill. im not gonna zero in on an exact number .. but everyone gets the idea that Punisher is a high volume puncher. but I agree that the high punch output is a lot more visually appealing .. you can literally see the fact that he throws lots and lots of punches each round as for its effectiveness. I coulda sworn that some of the rounds P-Will had #s like 20 outta 100 doing the math thats 20% .. which is pretty bad granted it wasn't every round .. but to throw that many punches and only land 20 or so .. compubox can't fuck up that badly .. can they?

That is why I am saying it's visually deceptive. It's not actually that he is so accurate, his work rate is up there and his output is impressive. However, can that be classified as real skill? Thoughts? You're might be right but it depends on how you measure his skill level. No he doesnt posses the skills PBF has but he does have decent skills IMO. Paul Williams is a freak in this division and IMHO I see him clearing out the division.

If he moves up he doesnt have the big advantage he currently has. The big money fights are where hes @ atm...not a class up. He fights Cotto, SSM, PBF, etc. Those are all huge money fights and he can beat all of them if he wants it bad enough, and I believe he does. What about his skills convinces you think he can beat them all? Just wondering.

Off the subject, but with that work rate he is going to be a tough motherfucker to beat. That is why I am saying it's visually deceptive. It's not actually that he is so accurate, his work rate is up there and his output is impressive. However, can that be classified as real skill? Thoughts?

You're correct. That is your opinion. Not mine. I have already stated why I feel his win should have been more convincing. Compubox numbers were as follows; Punch Totals (Compubox) Williams 1256 total punches 243 landed 22% Margarito 571 total punches 155 landed 27% Paul threw almost 1000 more punches, but landed less than 100 more punches. Visually, it was more convincing. Off the subject, but with that work rate he is going to be a tough motherfucker to beat.

If he moves up he doesnt have the big advantage he currently has. The big money fights are where hes @ atm...not a class up. He fights Cotto, SSM, PBF, etc. Those are all huge money fights and he can beat all of them if he wants it bad enough, and I believe he does.

Winning 9 rounds out of 12 is convincing enough IMO. You're correct. That is your opinion. Not mine. I have already stated why I feel his win should have been more convincing. Compubox numbers were as follows; Punch Totals (Compubox) Williams 1256 total punches 243 landed 22% Margarito 571 total punches 155 landed 27% Paul threw almost 1000 more punches, but landed less than 100 more punches. Visually, it was more convincing.

Sounds to me like you are just a bandwagon fan. You obviously don't know what the phuk you are talking about when you say people are afraid to see their favorite fighter get mopped by Williams and that is why we want him to move up. You obviously don't know your history from the looks of things either. Let me break it down for you real quick son. Did you see the Walter Dario Matthysse vs Paul Williams bout? I doubt it. Any way... Little Walter put up a hell of a fight against Williams, he was allover Paul. Little Walter even rocked and rolled Williams a couple of times in that fight. I never thought much of the Argentinian fighter to begin with. It took Paul Williams 10 rounds to take out little Walter and Kermit Cintron took him out in 2 rounds. I personaly do not think Antonio Margarito is all that but he has his moments and the fact that people everywhere were saying Floyd was afraid of him, made Tony out to be this monster when he really isn't. I will give Tony credit for knocking out Kermit and making him cry after the fight but, Paul Williams was not very impressive. Paul has his moment too but if you think fighters such as Cotto and Mayweather can not do a number on Paul, you better think again. Do you remember Thomas Hearns? One slick boxer Sugar beat him and one Brawler named Marvin Hagler beat him too. We have our Sugar Ray Leonard type fighter in Floyd and we have our Hagler type fighter in Cotto. Yes there are many differences and I know them all too well. There can only be one Sugar Ray and only one Hagler. I am just trying to compare an era of fighters as close as can be done. Pual Williams can get smoked and just might soon enough. His pitter patter bs will be laughed off by fighters like Floyd and Cotto. When Paul get's beat, he will move up. He will get chased out just like Taylor got chased out of the Middle Weight division last week. So don't hype up Paul until he is truly tested by someone great like Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr. :boxing: good assessment.

Emotion is natural. Period. Men cry, women cry, kids cry. Crying shows strength, IMO. Any man who is confident enough in his masuclinity to cry in front of the world is one heck of a man in my book.

I don't know how this turned into a thread about Cintron crying but put it this way, nobody on this board can really call any fighter a pussy for crying when he would wipe the floor with all of us. lol yeah it might be a southern thing .. but come on look at De La Hoya .. winning the gold medal and dedicating it to his mother who passes from cancer if he can't cry during that .. thats borderline unhuman a lotta Olympians get emotional if you think about it. *didn't Michael Jordan cry when he won his first NBA championship sure in pro sports crying can be a bit over dramatic and put ones manhood into ?ion. definetly agree with that *did you hear Cory Spinks wailing .. god that was awful to say the least look at it like this .. how many times have you seen or heard athletes and thought "that guy doesn't give a shit about the sport .. absolutly gutless all he cares about is making $$" so in that sense crying can show your passionate about the sport but it can also make you come across as a tool and or bitch so I agree with you in that sense.