So can we all agree now that Abraham is the top dog at 160?

Kayjay.. You are Obviously Drunk... You might be right.. But Let the Poor Guy bask a Little in His win.. before you start exposing him..:lol1: Pavlik can be outboxed.. His right hand is the Great equaliser... His time might be short.. But I am sure it's going to be exciting.. I tied one on real good at the sports bar, where there was a total of ONE other person who went for the purpose of watching that fight. Damn me if he wasn't from New Jersey. Middle America cares not for boxing. Yeah I overstated it, and yeah Pavlik's time is exciting.

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. abrham would not get past the jab to even get into punching range but if he did as soon as he went into his peek a boo shell he would eat serious leather. you want to talk about a protected fighter, Arthur Abraham is the King.

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. You have to be shitten me? Pavlik/Abraham is defintely the fight to be made.....(After a rematch and another Pavlik KO of Taylor) But fuck me if he is the top dawg after Pavlik just beat the top dawg.

I knew Vanes would show up and agree with me; I really don't expect the rest of you to. Abraham is a foreigner (enough for about 30% of you), his win over Miranda got skewed by some idiots in here, and Pavlik just won by KO. Wait then. But half the replies remind me that Pavlik is the lineal champ and Abraham a paper titlist, as if I didn't know this. Okay, so now you know he isnt a champ we are half way there. Hopefully if you saw his last fight you will know that he has questionable stamina and couple that with the fact that he doesnt have any impressive wins and you might get it.

And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. stfu you dickhead anyone seen my man? he looks like fukin aladdin

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. Kayjay.. You are Obviously Drunk... You might be right.. But Let the Poor Guy bask a Little in His win.. before you start exposing him..:lol1: Pavlik can be outboxed.. His right hand is the Great equaliser... His time might be short.. But I am sure it's going to be exciting..

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. ABRAHAM GOT HIS ASS BEAT AGAINST MIRANDA WHO KELLY BEAT AND MIRANDA AND KELLY HAVE SIMILAR GAMES BUT KELLY IS MUCH MORE POLISHED.

I knew Vanes would show up and agree with me; I really don't expect the rest of you to. Abraham is a foreigner (enough for about 30% of you), his win over Miranda got skewed by some idiots in here, and Pavlik just won by KO. Wait then. But half the replies remind me that Pavlik is the lineal champ and Abraham a paper titlist, as if I didn't know this.

I totally agree with this thread. Abraham is definitely the top dog at 160 officially now. After a long layoff from having his jaw broken by Miranda and having the judges give him a gift decision, he has now resurfaced and is ready to take on some more euro-bums and cans in order to consolidate his iron grip on the middleweight division. Abraham is so good that he never needed to fight a Hopkins, or a Winky or even an Ouma for us to know that he is the best in the division. After the wiring came out of his jaw, he took on some unknown bum and looked good again so we should just keep following this man as he poses a serious threat to the man who decapitated the man who broke his jaw in Kelly Pavlik. Arthur Abraham will climb down from his perch in Germany as the pigeon his to drop a pigeon shit on that fake lineal champion of the world, Kelly Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik didn't beat the man who beat the man, Abraham is the man so let's discredit Pavlik altogether.

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. That is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard, Abraham isnt even a true world champion. He won a vacant title that was stripped from the undisputed champ and dosnt have the stamina to last 8 rounds with pavlik

I have seen Abraham he has stamina problems and I think Pavlik could stop him late! But I have to agree Abraham is far more skilled! BTW I would love to see unification since Taylor blew TWO belts!

He'll have to give a rematch to Miranda before I can even start listening to such allegations.

I thought Abraham looked pretty pathetic in his win over Gevor. It was the first time I'd seen him and I remember thinking he would get schooled by better competition. He turtled up behind his guard and when he would peak out he would simply head hunt. Due to this, I would currently view Pavlik as being on top of the division.

lol kelly would destroy abraham just like miranda did

If you really think this then u are an IDIOT. Abraham is terrible. This is like a 4 or 5 round blowout win for Pavlik EASY. He should and probably would be like a 2-1 favorite in the fight Calzaghe would give Pavlik a beating at this point though. To much speed and attacks to much. Hed never hurt pavlik, but pavlik would never really get off. It would be a lopsided decision for Calzaghe at this point. But it would definetly be an exciting fight, and a more competitive one the Lacy-Calzaghe Maybe. It'd be exactly the same fight though. I'd pick Abraham to beat Pavlik but it'd be a bit closer than you think. Pavlik, great heart and big punch, got lucky last night. I thought he knew that until listening to his post match comments. Mind you, some fools on here had him winning the fight on points when he was clearly getting a beating. I'd advise watching the fight again when you're sober folks.

ill be one in a few ppl whos seen more of abraham than the miranda fight on these boards and i do think hes got the skills to beat pavlick but i think pavlick will win by late stoppage or a close but fair ud

Or are you going to be some stubborn bastards and pretend like Pavlik is better? Watch that fight again I tell you. AA would win a unification like 119-109 if not by KO. And why don't you bitches listen to me (and Anorak!) when I tell you shit like this. Instead you wait. I do agree with you... Abraham would beat Taylor, and now I'm hoping Pavlik will fight him so we can see Abraham beat Pavlik. Both UNDEFEATED again... PAVLIK -vs- ABRAHAM lets make it happen!!!

If you really think this then u are an IDIOT. Abraham is terrible. This is like a 4 or 5 round blowout win for Pavlik EASY. He should and probably would be like a 2-1 favorite in the fight Calzaghe would give Pavlik a beating at this point though. To much speed and attacks to much. Hed never hurt pavlik, but pavlik would never really get off. It would be a lopsided decision for Calzaghe at this point. But it would definetly be an exciting fight, and a more competitive one the Lacy-Calzaghe

What did you learn from tonight's fight if not BOTH these guys were overhyped. Do you think either could las three rounds with Calzaghe? I think Abraham even would beat them both. That fight was a fucking disappointment. Not in terms of action, but in terms of quality I love you Kaygay but I dont agree with what your saying:no:

That's true. But Miranda was made for Pavlik. Abraham is one of those annoying high-guard fighters. The fight would be like DLH-Sturm . . . . absolute shit to watch and difficult to judge. But Pavlik is NOT knocking Abraham out! probably not, king arthur got some chin if he can fight with a broken jaw. both these guys have a lot of heart, abraham is the more skilled of the two though. taylor is also more skilled than pavlik, he just doen't have the heart