I'm picking 450-500.. I just have a feeling. Watch the fight build by November 10th. Still a bit away fellas, and I know I already wanna watch it. Mosley has more fans then you think, and Cotto has the fans you know about.. I just have a feeling.. If Cotto/Judah can do close to 400.. This fight will kill that.
HBO has never quite been sold on Miguel's commercial viability. For good reason.
He did solid gate two years ago for Abdullaev, and then about 13,000 sold tickets for Malignaggi. The problem is that the gate is never big money. To make big money for yourself and for your business partners, you have to be a PPV fighter.
Arum announced that Cotto would fight Malignaggi, and HBO decided to instead back the Hopkins-Tarver fight down the road on the same night. Resultingly, Cotto-paulie did a shitty 100K buys.
Further complicating their relationship, Arum took Miguel to Showtime for the Quintana fight which was the Margarito-Clottey co-feature.
Then, Miguel comes back to HBO and the Judah fight underperforms. It was well-promoted and well-marketed. HBO gave it the "Countdown" treatment. It sold well in the Northeast (Puerto Ricans and Judah's base), and did poorly in the South, midwest and west.
The jury is out on Miguel's marketability. Very much so.
I like your 375K prediction. I'm puzzled by the four people who predicted 600K plus. Oscar-Shane 1 didn't do 600K.
Great analysis DD now I have a better understanding of exactly what is going on.
Oh and we have 4 DILLUSIONAL Cotto fans who will probably try to buy the ppv more than once themselves:chairshot
HBO did not release the number because the fight performed poorly. Notice how HBO always issues a press release with the nums, but did NOT for the Cotto-Judah fight.
Then Arum said that the fight did "two hundred and change", and then told some media outlet that the fight did 225K.
The reality is that the fight did under two hundred. I'm always interested in the PPV performance, and I'm kind of peripherally in that business. I asked a friend in the cable industry and she said that the rollup of the RBOC's was below 180K.
I trust her number. Not Arum's.
Plus, Ellerbe said that the fight did 150K buys...which lends further credence to the low number.
Damn that is wayyyy lower than anyone would have expected. I will still stand by the fight selling around 375k though.
Maybe we can break it down by numbers. And this is total guesswork.
450k total buys
150k buys from ricans and Cotto followers.
100k buys from Mosley fans.
200k hardcore fans which will buy the PPV to see a great fight. (Mosley will be responsible for more of this fans than Cotto will.)
I would say that they will be equally responsible for selling the fight.
Are you trying to say Cotto will play the main part in the PPV Numbers? Cotto is a champion, Mosley is the superstar.
I think Mosely will be more responsible for the PPV buys coming from the hardcore fans. But the casual fan who only buy PPV when their "boxer" is fighting, I think Cotto will bring more of those. Cotto has a bigger fanbase than Mosley.
unless one of the fighters or the fight itself gets a bit on sportscenter, then its unlikely that it sells that high.
Id say 350,000 but maybe a bit higher.
One of these fighters SHOULD get a bit on sportscenter, but considering how they blatantly ignore the sport its unlikely that they will
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