I aint faulting them, nah, they cant do anything, that is as high as they can go! not their fault. no...I just, personally, think that fighters should get extra credit for moving up past their best weight class and being able to beat outstanding fighters at a higher weight.
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bah, Heavyweights are overrated. if youre going to factor in fame then sure Mike Tyson and Ali are above. if youre actually going to look at the skills and physical abilities of each fighter determind by weight class, there are plenty of people above Ali and especially Tyson.
and Heavyweights are always going to get way more publicity and credit than the lighter weights. honestly, look at Foreman. he was a monster, and had more skills than some people him give him credit for, but come on...if we had a Welterweight version of Foreman, he would get beaten by quite a few people. he would look like Margarito, with his wide, very strong power shots and his hugely powerful uppercuts and a useful, but not crucial or amazing jab. dont just look at names, if you actually watch them, you can see simularities.
whens the last time youve seen a Heavyweight with the infighting abilities of a Duran? or the defence mastery of Whitaker? heres the answer...
you havent.
Im not positive what p4p is, because everyone seems to have different opinions about what it means. but I know this...if there were Heavyweight versions of Duran, Leonard or Whitaker, I would easily pick them all to beat Ali, and when a fighter dominates one weight class and then moves up to dominate another and beat other p4p ranked fighters above their best weight, they deserve more credit than a fighter who stays in one weight class who beats most of the great opposition theyve faced.
I agree with everything except the last part. You can't fault a heavyweight for moving up....he has nowhere to move up to!
bah, Heavyweights are overrated. if youre going to factor in fame then sure Mike Tyson and Ali are above. if youre actually going to look at the skills and physical abilities of each fighter determind by weight class, there are plenty of people above Ali and especially Tyson.
and Heavyweights are always going to get way more publicity and credit than the lighter weights. honestly, look at Foreman. he was a monster, and had more skills than some people him give him credit for, but come on...if we had a Welterweight version of Foreman, he would get beaten by quite a few people. he would look like Margarito, with his wide, very strong power shots and his hugely powerful uppercuts and a useful, but not crucial or amazing jab. dont just look at names, if you actually watch them, you can see simularities.
whens the last time youve seen a Heavyweight with the infighting abilities of a Duran? or the defence mastery of Whitaker? heres the answer...
you havent.
Im not positive what p4p is, because everyone seems to have different opinions about what it means. but I know this...if there were Heavyweight versions of Duran, Leonard or Whitaker, I would easily pick them all to beat Ali, and when a fighter dominates one weight class and then moves up to dominate another and beat other p4p ranked fighters above their best weight, they deserve more credit than a fighter who stays in one weight class who beats most of the great opposition theyve faced.
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I know. Im not sure what you mean by champions...Whitaker beat JCC, whos better than anyone Ali beat p4p, Duran beat Leonard, whos better than anyone Ali beat, Leonard beat Hagler, whos better than anyone Ali beat. If you want to say Hagler was robbed thats fine cause thats what I think too, but then you could say Leonard beat Duran and Hearns, so take your pick.
maybe its just my reluctancy to rate heavyweights high on a p4p list...cause Ali did not completely dominate the one weight class he was in if truth be told
Im not getting into this too deep though, lol. too much typing, I have things to do. off topic anyway
you funny playa..
13or15 of Ali's opp. were champs at some point..not washed up & not aged..
Ali ruled the HW division..If not for the funky a$$ government, he would have closed the door before he turned 30..Ali was the best playa..As for opp., Listen, Frazier, Big George, Patterson, etc are all ALL-TIME GREATS, just as a Herans, Duran, & Hagler..and yes Hagler was robbed..
Who was the guy he fought in the green trunks? looks like he took alot of punishment, hagler was one of my dads faves, i never saw him fight though.
Not sure to be honest. I thought that myself after watching the clip. Looks like he beat the shit outta him.
3 LOSSES!! 3 ROBBERIES!! NEVER KO'D!!
SIMPLY MARVELOUS!!!!
Who was the guy he fought in the green trunks? looks like he took alot of punishment, hagler was one of my dads faves, i never saw him fight though.
Roberto Duran, I don't think Ali as the best cause just cause you're a loud mouth and proclaim yourself the best don't make it so. And just like Duran, Ali has been beaten, but the hands of stone has always come back, even to the very end.