for all those who havent noticed, cotto has a better chin @ 147 then he did @ 140, i think it was from not having to lose some much weight to make the 140 pound limit. so lets examine this fight for a minute.
mosley tries to fight EVERYBODY the same way, no matter if its jesse james leija or winky wright..he's going to throw his little pittie pat jab then throw hard rights, i wouldnt say mosley hits as hard as judah with a single punch, but mosley will throw punches in succession.
can mosley handle the savage body attack cotto brings? how can mosley beat him!?
no kidding......
I know, brother! I know you felt that frustration.. :banghead:
I should throw up all the posts you made.. You were one of the only clear voices of reason after it was over. A disturbing amount of people tried to make it seem like Cotto took out a perfectly executed Mosley.. :?!: :confused: :eek:
Yep... Kayjay knows his shit.
Too bad Mosley fucking FAILED us.. :banghead: :lol1:
I was screaming at him 10 seconds in.. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?" :grr:
no kidding......
Trying to outbox Cotto would be suicide. Mosley has the speed and power to jump on him. He's gotta knock Cotto out early, which is what I think I'll predict.
In any case punchers will do better than boxers against Cotto, Mosley needs to skip the jab and make Cotto eat hooks dowstairs then upstairs. And when Cotto is shaken he's gotta jump on him.
Fully, great insight. Mosley will jump on Cotto, I'm with Kayjay.
Cotto will not dictate.
Not this fucking time - this is Shane Mosley. The same Shane Mosley who has gotten another reminder of how to handle a situation like this by watching Hopkins deactivate Winky Wright.
Both Cotto and Winky are full court press fighters - but they can be beaten. I'm sorry if even the objective ones can't see that. When Mosley takes away control Cotto will malfunction and his program will shut down.
Yep... Kayjay knows his shit.
Too bad Mosley fucking FAILED us.. :banghead: :lol1:
I was screaming at him 10 seconds in.. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?" :grr:
This is gonna be a tough fight for Mosley.. That's all ima say.. Tough for both. Not just for Cotto.
Can Mosley take the body punishment or the left hook?
Can Cotto take the right hand/uppercut?
Who can last a very physical fight? Cause I see it being very physical.
In fact I think this will quickly turn into a slug fest, The only time I have truly seen either guy take a backwards step is when they are trying to recover. The only difference may be if cotto takes more than he is giving it could be lights out for him, if Mosley cant take what Cotto is giving it will probably be a slow painfull death, I am still not sold tho on the present Shane Mosley having enough determination left after all the fights and battles he's been through to take the kind of punishment Cotto will put on him. Cotto wont let up and Shane will have to reach down deep and stop him.
I think that Cotto Vs Mayweather would look like DLH Vs Mayweather.
Cotto likes to apply pressure and we all know that Mayweather will not stand there. Cotto will be the bull trying to press the action while Mayweather boxes and retreats. DOn't ya think that?
De La Hoya was getting strafed with right hands.
We don't know if Cotto can take an abundance of those from someone substantially more powerful than Urkal, who will throw them as consistantly and accurately as did Urkal against Cotto, and Mayweather against De La Hoya..
Mayweather would have a compubox festival on Miguel Cotto.
Miguel comes in swinging - and I like that - but he would get mowed like a lawn by Floyd Mayweather. He doesn't use enough angles to confuse someone like Floyd. Cotto's lead uppercut is shit. And somebody, I mean somebody!.. Is going to make him pay for those wide sweeping left hooks.
Shane and Floyd will shorten up on Cotto all damn day.
I think that Cotto Vs Mayweather would look like DLH Vs Mayweather.
Cotto likes to apply pressure and we all know that Mayweather will not stand there. Cotto will be the bull trying to press the action while Mayweather boxes and retreats. DOn't ya think that?
Exactly. Except that Cotto doesn't have Oscar's defense or jab. So a fight that is even through eight is less likely
I think that Cotto Vs Mayweather would look like DLH Vs Mayweather.
Cotto likes to apply pressure and we all know that Mayweather will not stand there. Cotto will be the bull trying to press the action while Mayweather boxes and retreats. DOn't ya think that?
Judah is a 4 round fighter. I have been saying this for years. This is why he could not keep up to Cotto's pace. Mosley on the other hand is a much different fighter. Not nearly as economical as Judah. He throws alot of punches and uses his jab as a range finder. He is going to outwork Cotto pretty easily in my opinion.
Cotto is a fighter through and through though. He's not going to concede at any point. In fact the ore I think of it, the more this fight can't go wrong.
easy one word....."BOX"
Goddamnit, I typed all that out for nothing and you hit the nail on the head with one simple word, lol.
I dont think Mosley is that slick or maybe a better way to put it is his pride will not let him turn to pure boxing when Cotto presses him into exchanges. I think Mosley's best chance lies in his ability to have too much pop for Cotto and if he gets him hurt , probably early, Shane will have the experience and ability to finish him off. Otherwise Cotto will cut the ring off on him and land hard and often until Mosley, like Cotto's other opponents has been pounded into submission.
I don't fucking know what will happen, but it seems to me based on what I've seen that Cotto is most beatable by someone who can jump on him. Judah landed a few but he has neither the consistent power nor the chin nor the balls to step in and flurry like crazy after landing the first good shot. He recovers well though you have to jump immediately on him
I think by the way that Cotto is tailor-made for De La Hoya, and perhaps to a lesser extent for Mosley. Sure Mayweather would beat him but that's another story
What the fuck are you talking about? The only way to beat Cotto is to outwork him in other words out box him. Put the pressure on him with a jab and catch him coming in. He has great power but he is fairly slow and very economical. You are telling me a guy like Mayweather or Mosley cant outbox him????
Mayweather would beat him in retreat, but that's an exceptional case b/c Mayweather is good enough to overcome what stylistic advantages Cotto has over him. Mosley couldn't take a twelve round decision in a slow fight, no, b/c Cotto's rec overy is very good, he punches the same consistently and through any trouble, and he gets stronger as the fight goes on. His weaknesses include his ability to be countered with a left hand when he's fighting orthodox and his mediocre chin. When he switches to southpaw you have to box him, sure.
Who has done the best against Cotto so far? Who actually was a threat? only Torres. Paulie and Judah can look good for a minute, but there's no way to continue to box for twelve rounds, Cotto will slowly kill you.
But any good puncher, especially someone with a good left, has a very good chance to beat him
Trying to outbox Cotto would be suicide. Mosley has the speed and power to jump on him. He's gotta knock Cotto out early, which is what I think I'll predict.
In any case punchers will do better than boxers against Cotto, Mosley needs to skip the jab and make Cotto eat hooks dowstairs then upstairs. And when Cotto is shaken he's gotta jump on him.
Fully, great insight. Mosley will jump on Cotto, I'm with Kayjay.
Cotto will not dictate.
Not this fucking time - this is Shane Mosley. The same Shane Mosley who has gotten another reminder of how to handle a situation like this by watching Hopkins deactivate Winky Wright.
Both Cotto and Winky are full court press fighters - but they can be beaten. I'm sorry if even the objective ones can't see that. When Mosley takes away control Cotto will malfunction and his program will shut down.
Trying to outbox Cotto would be suicide. Mosley has the speed and power to jump on him. He's gotta knock Cotto out early, which is what I think I'll predict.
In any case punchers will do better than boxers against Cotto, Mosley needs to skip the jab and make Cotto eat hooks dowstairs then upstairs. And when Cotto is shaken he's gotta jump on him.
yea but somepeople in this forum needs for u to break it down for them like that .. theyre blinded by there love of cotto
Blinded? More like full-on card carrying cult members.
They sacrifice chickens to Cotto.
Man boxing heads like you look at boxing like its black and white. Power, Speed, Chin, size. That's all you guys talk about.
I tend to get a little too technical with shit sometimes, I'll admit. But at least I don't run around talking about Floyd's endless supply of money, as if he were Bill Gates or some shit, lol.
The most common argument I hear of Mosley's supporters is an argument that is based on many factual levels....
First off, Mosley's experience. Cotto has never faced an opponet as accomplished, talented and experienced as "Sugar" Shane before. Nobody can argue that, period.
Secondly, Cotto's chin. He's been rocked a few times, no matter how much you like him. The proof is in the pudding, and in this case the pudding is the tapes of Cotto being rocked against opponets. Torres and Corley definitely drilled Miguel Cotto, and badly at that. Zab Judah certainly buzzed Cotto with that uppercut at the beginning of their fight. Some have even said Cotto was rocked by Abdullaev, but I haven't seen the tape.
Thirdly is Shane's combination of speed and power. He's not a heavy hitting guy but he's got solid power in both hands, is very quick to throw combinations and knows how to land.
Some even bring Cotto's height into play because Shane has only struggled against taller guys like Wright and Forrest. Whenever a fighter is hi size or smaller, he dominates.
]I think some of the people who are picking Shane to beat Cotto are doing so based on those factors, and rightfully so because they are all based in reality. But at the end of the day I think Cotto's heart, determination and punching power will prove to be oto much for the aging Mosley.
I agree with you 100%.. Breaking it down.. That's how you do it.
I think that IF Mosley beats Cotto, it will be by early KO/TKO...The longer the fight goes, the better for Cotto imo...
Another hard fight for Cotto...You have to at least give him props for stepping up the comp every fight.
Paulie
Quintana
Zab
now Mosley...Next?? DLH? Floyd? Hatton?
OK.. Here's the thing.. Everybody brings up Cotto's "weak" chin but the shot from Corley was a temple shot that he did not see coming.. Torres and Judah are both punchers who have the ability to hurt anybody they face. There is no way you can say that Mosley has more power than Torres or Judah. Mosley had power at lightweight... Just like Floyd, his power did not mowve with him as he went up in weight. He may able to catch Cotto with a shot that stops him for a second, but he doesn't have the punch to put Cotto away. His jab isn't nearly what it used to be and he won't be able to keep Cotto at bay all night. Cotto will be more willing to take jab on his way inside to punish Mosley to the body.. Now you tell me who has enough heart to take Cotto's body attack for 12 rounds? Oh and for those of you who think Cotto has no boxing ability, watch his fights against Cesar Bazan and Victoriano Sosa... He even boxed well against Judah as the fight went on. Just because he doesn't box as much anymore doesn't mean he doesn't know how or never couid.. He's just such a beast he doesn't have to box. And he definitely won't need to against Shane.
Mosely will win if just fights smart by executing a effective fight plan. Cotto is tough but he gets hit too much. Mosely will definitely capitalize on that. Look how he handled vargas in their first fight. Vargas and Cotto have similar styles so I think Mosely can use the same strategy he used against Vargas. I would be suprised if Mosely knocks him out but I think the fight will go by decision in favor of mosely.
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