Mayweather & Hatton: Will 147 Be A Factor?

yeah thats probably an accurate thing to say about fight night weights but generally speaking ..weight is a pretty big fucking factor some boxers NEVER move up in weight at all how could weight not be a factor .. if the fighters never bothered to move up? granted im being vauge ... but think about it ...its true. anyway weight is just another variable that the media will use to try to make Ricky seem like even more of an underdog .. don't go for the bait. since Dios is correct (in the weight ins more or less).. Hatton might be giving up 2 inches in height .. but will weight more. *being taller doesn't necessarily mean ur the bigger man look at Corrales (rip) vs Clottey ... Joshua Clottey was giving up 2 inches in height .. but obviously frame wise was bigger .. of course that was slightly above Welter

Agreed, but can you really discount Floyd's power at 147 because the only person he didn't hurt was Baldomir? It's more untested than anything I think. I would certainly not be comfortable saying Floyd has great power at 147, and I would think that unbiased people with brains in their heads would be uncomfortable saying Floyd is a feather fist at 147 too. Floyd is IMO more of a natural jr. welter (140), than welter. So in this fight, weight will not be an issue. The issue is Hatton's style v. Floyd's. A quote from Emanuelle Steward sums up the situation from my standpoint: "Once you get too close to a thinking fighter..., he starts to become a nervous wreck because he cannot function when he doesn't have that certain zone of space to operate from."

Agreed, but can you really discount Floyd's power at 147 because the only person he didn't hurt was Baldomir? It's more untested than anything I think. I would certainly not be comfortable saying Floyd has great power at 147, and I would think that unbiased people with brains in their heads would be uncomfortable saying Floyd is a feather fist at 147 too. Im not saying that he can't keep you honest but he does not have the type of power that is gonna hurt or stop anyone like hatton. The only way this fight would get stopped by Floyd would be if hatton cuts badly, because he is known for that, but it would have to be a terrible cut to stop a fight of this magnitude, and I don't see that happening. Hattohns determination and pressure could pose problems for Floyd. if he is able to get inside and get to the body, over the duration of a fight could wear Floyd down and effect his stamina. hatton has a vicious body attack.

D hurting Judah is no huge accomplishment. Who hasn't hurt Judah? Agreed, but can you really discount Floyd's power at 147 because the only person he didn't hurt was Baldomir? It's more untested than anything I think. I would certainly not be comfortable saying Floyd has great power at 147, and I would think that unbiased people with brains in their heads would be uncomfortable saying Floyd is a feather fist at 147 too.

He killed Sharmba Mitchell and had Judah hurt a few times. 2 out of 3 isn't bad, considering the third's only world class part to his game is his toughness/chin. D hurting Judah is no huge accomplishment. Who hasn't hurt Judah?

Oscar De La Hoya? Not exactly small anymore. Yes, I know he started at 130, but he has been at these higher weights for a few years (he even fought twice at 160). Floyd fought basically at the 147 pound limit against De La Hoya, so if you are saying that Floyd doesn't know how to deal with power as a welterweight, watch the last 20 seconds of the fight... he takes an Oscar left hook on the chin and keeps throwing. Put it in your signature Easton. 3K bet. Good luck! The point he is making is not that Floyd couldn't take a shot, he is saying that had Oscar attacked the body more he would have fared better. Hatton will tie up on the inside and goes to the body very effectively and attacks the body every chance he gets and being so close will allow a lot of oppurtunities. Doing this over a long fight can effect Floyds stamina in the later rounds.

After watching the Collazo fight again - as well as rewatching 5-10 other relevant fights involving both Ricky Hatton and Floyd Mayweather in the last few nights - I'm even more confident Hatton can get this win over Mayweather. It seems as though even if Luis Collazo is a "slick southpaw" he sure as shit didn't fight like one against Hatton. He was in there banging, windmilling combinations backing up - brawling. Not to say that Collazo exposed any particular formula on Hatton (not nescessary). Or that this is the basis for any serious discussion - I'm just saying when we talk about this issue of 147 and all the concerns involved we're not talking about the type of fight that Floyd Mayweather is going to bring. Floyd Mayweather is not capable of bringing that sort of fight. :no: Floyd will stick and move. We all know that. He's not going to rough up Hatton like Collazo did. Hatton is going to rough up Mayweather. Floyd will not use the 147 advantage against Hatton (if there is one). Effectively, 147 will not be a factor in this fight IMO. I agree. I don't feel that 147 is gonna be a factor in this fight because when Collazo fought Hatton, he was the much bigger man and was a true if not big welter. That is not the case with Floyd. Floyd himself is small for a welter and has not carried power with him, he is just normally quicker. As you said, the way he fights will not allow the 147 pound limit to be a factor. He fights on the outside, but Hatton will not just stand outside and let Floyd hit hime. he will make the fight at close quarters every oppurtunity he gets. He'll fight dirty and do whatever he has to do to frustrate mayweather. I'm not saying hatoon is gonna win or lose, I am just saying that this fight is not going to be as easy for Floyd as some people think.

Floyd doesn't have to hurt Hatton to mess his face up Addison if 7 pounds is no big deal how come Hatton's only had 1 fight at 147? (this will be his 2nd) 147 makes a difference ... would Paulie Malignaggi or Junior Witter be nearly effective at 147 as they are at 140? *I don't think the weight will be the deciding factor, since both guys are pretty small for Welter

He killed Sharmba Mitchell and had Judah hurt a few times. 2 out of 3 isn't bad, considering the third's only world class part to his game is his toughness/chin. So true, Judah was close to being out of there before the low blows. Baldomir has a chin face and Sharmba was ko'd those were his fights at 147. Now may I ask Frank, what are you basing your statements on?

i dont think floyd can hurt very many people at 147...not even ricky hatton. He killed Sharmba Mitchell and had Judah hurt a few times. 2 out of 3 isn't bad, considering the third's only world class part to his game is his toughness/chin.

Castillo didn't KO Mayweather when he beat him.. But Castillo didn't beat Mayweather...

In terms of their attributes weight matters as in every fighter, but in the context of this thread and the fight being listed for the 147 pnd title, it doesnt matter one iouta because no matter what weight belt these two fought for on paper they are the same size fighters in the flesh and will fight Dec 8 at the best weight for both fighters 150 lb stepping in the ring. I agree with RodBarker on this one. Congrats Rod, we finally agree.

The more meat Floyd has, the better he will be able to absorb punishment. Hatton is not going to outslick Floyd. He will have to wear him down a lot for a decision, or KO him. Since weight influences how much punishment Floyd can absorb, I think weight will matter in this fight. Castillo didn't KO Mayweather when he beat him..

The more meat Floyd has, the better he will be able to absorb punishment. Hatton is not going to outslick Floyd. He will have to wear him down a lot for a decision, or KO him. Since weight influences how much punishment Floyd can absorb, I think weight will matter in this fight.

What's funny to me is people saying Collazo hits harder than Maweather, is it just me or is that not even close to being the case.

Weight WILL influence this fight. Here's why: Even though the most obvious and simple comparison that can be made is, WHO IS STRONGER, FLOYD OR HATTON? It is not the correct comparison to make. Just like in any other sport, offenses don't play against one another, and defenses don't play against one another. So in analyzing whether Hatton's offense can crack Mayweather's defense, you have to look at what Mayweather's defense has withstood. Can Hatton hit harder than De La Hoya? If you think so, good for you, I (along with a lot of other people) would contend that Hatton's power is a few levels below Oscar because of the weight difference. Alternatively, Oscar was slightly rattled a few times in "The World Awaits." Mayweather's offense is underrated for sure. Hatton, on the other hand, was hurt by both Urango (on body shots, which isn't super critical to December 8th) and Collazo (who is not known as a puncher). I think those two factors give the impression that Hatton will take more physical damage than Mayweather.

140 vs 147 .. there are differences okay your right .. thats a fair argument to hold the Collazo fight like its gonna be an exact reference to how Hatton fight on December 8th remains to be seen .. it is a pretty radical conclusion to jump to .. good point Easton but still ... look at the average size of a 140 pounder and compare it to a Welter .. yeah I know its only 7 pounds. hell take all the Alphabet 140 pound Champs .. and take all the 147 pound champions there's an obvious size and power disparity .. I think at the very least you can acknowledge that.

Man, thats the problem. Ricky has ONE fight at 147 and doesn't KO the guy, and all of a sudden -he has no power at that weight. It is the height of ignorance! No sweetheart, that is not what I was saying. I said that De La Hoya hits harder, because he has 14 more pounds of muscle, and De La Hoya is known as a boxer-puncher (someone who has skills and power). If you think Hatton hits harder than De La Hoya, your ignorance just soared over mine. Gilbert Arenas next to Yao Ming.

The reason it will be effective is because at 147, Ricky does not bring the type of power needed to slow a guy down when "roughing him up." Mayweather will be able to hurt Hatton in the later rounds, because he is coming down from 154, and I think he has grown into a 147 pounder finally. But it's not like this weight advantage is going to be as significant as it is in most fights. Man, thats the problem. Ricky has ONE fight at 147 and doesn't KO the guy, and all of a sudden -he has no power at that weight. It is the height of ignorance!

Something tells me Ricky's gonna show Floyd a little respect until he gets in close, then try to open up on Floyd to try and take him out early. But, once Ricky feels Floyd's power and command, he'll play it cautious throughout most of the fight. I have a funny feeling Ricky's corner will toss the towel in the ring. I just can't seem to visualize any other outcome at this moment.:boxing: