Al Bundys thoughts on MMA and Boxing Good Points!!!

The reason why guys get stood up is because they aren't doing anything on the ground. If they are laying and praying then they will have to stand up. I admit, sometimes the ref uses bad judgement and stands fighters up(IE, Gonzaga against Cro Cop), but for the most part the refs are accurate. Don't blame the ref for standing guys up, blame yourself for not doing anything. When there is no activity, stand them up. But lately, i've seen too much useless stand-ups, guy is working and Big John stands 'em up. Because those drunk redkecks start to boo. There is difference between lay and pray, and working to pass guard, setting up the submission... Some ref's have problem realizing that.

Comparing boxing and MMA is like comparing apples and oranges. You can't compare it because these are two different sports. Would Floyd got his ass whooped at 145 against Faber (mma rules)? Yes, he would. Would Faber got knocked out against Floyd at 145 lbs (boxing)? Yes, he would. Ed O'neil made some good points, and made some stupid points. I don't like standing the guys up, it's stupid rule but crowd doesn't like ground game (doesn't undertands it) and because UFC is gettin money from crowd they will stand the guys up. Liddell got knocked out by Jackson, yeah well, it happens. Did he threw sluggish punch, yeah he threw it. He said Liddell has a little bit better stand-up than everyone else, yes he does. Just like Babalu has better BJJ than Liddell. But it depends who can exploit other guys weaknesses and get the fight where he likes. Constant switching of champions... That's maybe because top dogs in UFC are defending titles against actual contenders, and not against the guy that will bring them more money. That comment about MMA guys having bad boxing is stupid. A lot of mma guys is coming from wrestling, grappling etc. and it's stupid to think they will develop same hands as boxers that are only boxing since childhood. It's like saying that boxers in mma have bad wrestling in comparision to Division I guys.

Al should have ended the interview with "LETS ROCK"

Bundy is just having a hard time realizing that the UFC and MMA in general is more organized unlike UFC 1-8. Those NHB fights favored Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. That is why the BJJ guys beat the pro boxers, pro wrestlers, etc because there were no rules. Ed O’Niell makes some interesting points. I don’t really agree with them but they are interesting none the less. Basically what it comes down to is that he’s a BJJ guy and has been for years. A lot of his points come across as him not liking the fact that the rule changes have taken things away from what the Gracie challenge used to be. That’s what the UFC was when it started the Gracie challenge in a cage on PPV. It was interesting but for MMA to become a sport it needed to move away from that.

i think fight night lost all credibility in his 1st post when he actually thought that liddell's ridiculous attempt of a body shot was actually a good one. lol, that punch was exactly how o'neil described it...amateurish, ineffective, and got him dropped. is that something you'd expect out of a "world class striker"? bundy was right when he asked wtf are they paying those guys for. anyway, who are some of these guys trying to kid? the striking in isn't as "refined" and looks a lot more "sloppy" in mma because that's exactly what it is. the ground game is light years, absolute light years ahead of the standup department in that sport. but instead of straight up admitting it, people like to dodge the facts and claim "oh, it's the nature of the sport, obviously the standup isn't going to look as pretty...um...yea u could box like you would in a boxing match, the stance wouldn't work... blah blah blah". well no shit. it's not like you could wrestle the same way you would wrestle in a wrestling match. does matt hughes come out to his fights with his ass 2 inches off the ground with his hands out by his waist? how you can you say that so and so boxing techniques can't work without just a bit of refinement if no one in mma's talent pool even knows how to properly execute them? you can say that for grapplers since mma at least has close to a world-class selection of competitors who specialize in that area of combat sports; and other than high school, college, and the olympics where the hell else can someone with that kind of background go for professional pay?

MMA fighters don't even punch that power machine so I don't know. Also, MMA fighters don't worry too much about taking punches because THERE IS OTHER STUFF TO WORRY ABOUT. Winky Wright is susceptible to the takedown!!!! What can Mayweather's defense do when he is getting kicked in the face repeatedly?????? Do you see my point? Damn, stop being so arrogant. Oh and about the heart thing: Chris Leben Forrest Griffin(the Arturo Gatti of MMA) Fedor(it's more composure than heart but still) Stephan Bonnar ^ and all of them can take punches. First of all, The Bringer was not being arrogant. He was calmly owning your ass. Second of all, you need not even pose the question of MMA fighters punching a machine - anybody with a fucking brain and half a clue alread knows the answer. Ed O'Neill has dedicated a great deal of his personal time and energy to MMA and look what he has to say about it. :purity: The bastardization of MMA reveals itself here through your senseless and emotional ranting. This is the very defintion of weak. You sound like a fucking idiot trying to argue with Mr. O'Neill and Bringer. Objectively speaking; you got blown the fuck out. BTW, this is a Boxing forum. Take this shit downstairs or somewhere else. You're clearly more concerned with tearing Boxing down and putting MMA on a pedastool.

In regards to Ed, he's awesome. It's surprising to see someone make such good points and understandable points getting interviewed right out of the blue like that. Most people can't think straight or put enough knowledgeable information out so fast and well together like that. He's def the man. No homo.

He's made many points I've always preached. Especially the one about the champions keep going around like a circle. I've always believed any champ in UFC is ripe for the picking against any opponent. That's why I dun feel it's as skillful. They aren't using technique that makes you think that guy can never be beaten or he'll be champ for awhile.

Nobody in any branch of MMA can headbutt like Holyfield and Hopkins. Argue that!!!

You cant kick on the ground in UFC, I really like the points Dutch was making on the Video. UFC fan boys always say "boxers arent fighters they are boxers" "boxing is useless because its not close to a streetfight like UFC is" Ed Made some great points "there are no gloves in a street fight" "there is no ref standing guys up" UFC fan boys love to bash boxing and say MMA is so much more then boxing, when its only been around for like 15 years and lets take a look at some of its best fighters. Randy Couture fight record 15 - 8 Guys currently the UFC heavyweight champ and is 44 years old, Talk about the cream of the crop. Matt Serra Current UFC champ Record 9 -4 Need I say more I like both sports and watch both But am Tired of UFC fanboys taking shots at boxing, Its funny when someone says something intelligent back they get all mad and offended.

MMA fighters don't even punch that power machine so I don't know. Also, MMA fighters don't worry too much about taking punches because THERE IS OTHER STUFF TO WORRY ABOUT. Winky Wright is susceptible to the takedown!!!! What can Mayweather's defense do when he is getting kicked in the face repeatedly?????? Do you see my point? Damn, stop being so arrogant. Oh and about the heart thing: Chris Leben Forrest Griffin(the Arturo Gatti of MMA) Fedor(it's more composure than heart but still) Stephan Bonnar ^ and all of them can take punches. Dude, chill the fuck out I wasn't being arrogant I was making a point. Boxing and MMA are 2 totally different combat sports that have a place in this world and in it's fans hearts. My sarcasm at the end of my last post was clearly lost on you, take a fucking Xanax and chill out. I was merely pointing out how pointless it is to compare the 2 sports. You act as if I just shit on your mom's head.

The problem is that it looks very sloppy and amatuerish. To go back to your quote, UFC is not like a great chef who is a master at all cuisine. Its more like a line cook who can grill a decent steak, make okay sushi, not too good with italian, sufficient with thai. Id rather eat a perfect burger.

Son, Fedor has a black belt in all the arts I listed..... Better yet, find me a pro boxer that can slam like the following: Matt Hughes Karo Parisyan Rampage Jackson Matt Lindland Kevin Randleman Sean Sherk Dan Severn Ken Shamrock Tito Ortiz Randy Couture Show me a pro boxer that can make you tap within a split second like the following: Fedor Emelianenko Royce Gracie Renzo Gracie All the other Gracies Ken Shamrock BJ Penn Matt Hughes Karo Parisyan Gonzaga And if you wanted to go tit-for-tat then I invite you to find me an MMA guy who can take a punch like the following..... Carlos Baldomir James Toney Bernard Hopkins Shane Mosley Juan Manuel Marquez Ricky Hatton Vitali Klitschko Sam Peter Or an MMA guy who can defend against punches like the following.... Winky Wright Floyd Mayweather Jr. Joe Calzaghe Bernard Hopkins Marco Antonio Barrera Shane Mosley Or any MMA guy who had as much heart as guys like Diego Corrales, Arturo Gatti, or Erik Morales. Of course going tit-for-tat boxing vs. MMA never gets anything accomplished and I think you'll find it almost as futile as wishing the 2 sports could just get along.

Fightnight,I dont think you think you were listening to what big AL said. He does not like UFC or Pride because the rules have made a bastard product. The hybrid styles that are used are most effective within the UFC rules. I respect MMA, but i agree that UFC has become a glorified toughman contest you're kinda right...Dana White offers incentives for fight of the night or best knockout...do the wins even matter to this guy? and how bout John McCarthy being too involved in the fights...too verbal at times and not letting the ground fighters fight...

Fightnight,I dont think you think you were listening to what big AL said. He does not like UFC or Pride because the rules have made a bastard product. The hybrid styles that are used are most effective within the UFC rules. I respect MMA, but i agree that UFC has become a glorified toughman contest

Better yet, find me a pro boxer that can slam like the following: Matt Hughes Karo Parisyan Rampage Jackson Matt Lindland Kevin Randleman Sean Sherk Dan Severn Ken Shamrock Tito Ortiz Randy Couture Show me a pro boxer that can make you tap within a split second like the following: Fedor Emelianenko Royce Gracie Renzo Gracie All the other Gracies Ken Shamrock BJ Penn Matt Hughes Karo Parisyan Gonzaga See my point? Beautiful ^^. -edit- and you ducked the post above you. ;) Boxers aren't allowed to slam an opponet or make them submit, MMA fighters are allowed to punch though. Marco Antonio Barrera slammed Nasim Hamed's face into the ring post though, if that counts as a slam, lmao. I'm not knocking MMA, I used to be a big fan of it before it was all over television. I went out on a regular basis and bought VHS tapes of it back in the mid 90's until around 2001. I just think it's getting sloppier as it goes along. The only real MMA stuff I watch anymore is EliteXC on Showtime because the fighters there put on much better fights than the UFC does. And the post you quote from another site obviously makes some very good points with having to train for all kinds of possible situations. I just prefer boxing to MMA because it's a much more refined combat sport than MMA. And I didn't "duck" the other post, I just didn't feel the need to reply to what I thought was just more of the same.

De La Hoya did speak on MMA. He said that he respects all fighters. All fighters train hard and do what they need to do. Something alot of idiots on this site fail to comprehend. Anyways, Al Bundy doesn't seen to be a huge observer of MMA. "I haven't seen anybody that can do everything." What the fuck has he been watching? What does he think "doing everything" is? Fedor = sambo, muay thai, wrestling, boxing, BJJ, judo all in his arsenal....IS THAT NOT EVERYTHING? "I havent seen anyone that can punch like a pro boxer" Jens Pulver is a former pro boxer and definately punches like one omg... What has Al Bundy watched? The idiocy towards MMA is inane. "Matt Hughes beat Royce Gracie with BJJ. He didn't hit him." DID HE WATCH THE FIGHT? LOL, I just watched it again and Hughes def. hit Royce with hard punches to the head. Bundy is an idiot just like he is on the show. I figured Oscar would say something like that, he tries too hard to pleae everybody. God forbid The Golden Boy grow a set of balls and speak out against MMA rather than support it. I think what Ed meant is that he hasn't seen anybody that can do everything well. There's a big difference there, when there is a guy who can do everything more often than not he combines styles and looks like an amateur. As for Jens Pulver, he may have been a former boxer, and I've seen him fight a lot but he still doesn't punch like a professional fighter. Nobody in MMA can punch like a boxer can punch, show me someone in MMA who has the punching power of any of the following fighters.... Israel Vazquez Miguel Cotto Manny Pacquiao Daniel Ponce De Leon Rafael Marquez Wladimir Klitschko Hell, those are seasoned professionals. Find me an amateur MMA guy who hits as hard as Andre Berto instead.

I think the reason why no one else has put things that way is because people, boxers, are always put into the position where they have to defend one or pick sides in an argument. Ed is a well educated, non-bias observer. He has no agenda,which is refreshing.

Side note, why the hell hasn't a known boxer like Oscar De La Hoya come out and said this shit when questioned about MMA? Why are boxers so reluctant to speak on the current trend of MMA? And why is it that a sitcom actor is the only person to come out and speak the full truth about it?!?! I may very well put one of Ed's quote in my sig because that was a more spot on analysis of MMA than I've heard any professional journalist or sports broadcaster or fighter go on record with.

That was one of the best interviews on MMA Ive ever heard. Im a huge boxing fan and have grown to hate UFC, not MMA, for all of the same reasons that he mentioned. ED is 1000 times better than that idiot,not funny comedian Joe Rogan, i cant stand that guy. I think the interviewer calls him "Al" at the end of the interview,pretty funny.