Could a Heavyweight be crowned a P4P #1?

Shut up. This isn't 1971, and Clay isn't a slave name.Shut up?! I havn't uttered a word... Ali's family was proud of the name Clay because it was the name of the slave owner who freed them . or some ish like thatLet's not get our pantyhose in a bind over my use of the term "slave" name. The reason that word is between quotation marks is because Ali himself used it in reference to his former name. That is, the concept and the word is Ali's, not mine. When he joined the Nation of Islam and changed his name, he resented Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terrell and all who continued to call him Clay.

I wouldn't be shocked if Wlad were to get considered for #1 before he retires. I would be. I'd fall of my chair and im a short ass, that fall would be long and painful.

If Ali was that fast as a heavyweight just think of how fast he would have been as a middleweight, no one would have ever caught him . Ali's family was proud of the name Clay because it was the name of the slave owner who freed them . or some ish like that

I'm no kid. I'm probably old enough to be your father. See below... I know damn well who he meant by "Clay." The question (who's Clay?) was strictly rhetorical in my subtle way of asking Lance Uppercut why is he referring to Ali by his renounced "slave" name. Would you refer to Abdul-Jabbar as Alcindor? (yet another rhetorical question) Shut up. This isn't 1971, and Clay isn't a slave name.

I wouldn't be shocked if Wlad were to get considered for #1 before he retires.

With the WW class being as deep as it has ever been...I don't see this happening no time soon..I'm talking the next 10 to 20 years...

His "slave" name? You mean the one his mother and father gave him? To quote one of the greatest comedies in american history, "Coming to America"- "His momma named him Clay, so I'm calling him Clay"A wise man once said, (paraphrase) "It's better to remain silent and be judged a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

I know damn well who he meant by "Clay." The question (who's Clay?) was strictly rhetorical in my subtle way of asking Lance Uppercut why is he referring to Ali by his renounced "slave" name. Would you refer to Abdul-Jabbar as Alcindor? (yet another rhetorical question) His "slave" name? You mean the one his mother and father gave him? To quote one of the greatest comedies in american history, "Coming to America"- "His momma named him Clay, so I'm calling him Clay"

i would agree with you, but b-hop was p4p without ever wondering out of 160 true, true, but in his defense he did fight guys that dropped down from super middle weight and guys that dropped from light heavyweight, but those fighters toggled around those weight classes anyways. but panamaniac summed it up nice, and made his point better than i could articulate.............. Regardless of your views or that of other people, the fact is that the term "pound-for-pound" means excellence (of a given fighter) without regard to weight class. Whether a fighter has fought in multiple weight classes or not, is totally irrelevant. The (#4#) designation is reserved for a fighter who is considered to be the best in all of boxing. Period. yes, that better sums it up, you're right. i was thinking more along the lines of weight and struggle for the fighter, but you nailed it.

a natural heavyweight i say NO! but if it is a guy like Holyfield or someone who comes up from lower weight classes winning on the way to heavyweight and winning there, then i would say YES......... pound for pound is for guys who fight outside there natural weight class. and to be specific, moving out of their natural weight class to fight bigger guys. that is what pound for pound means. to me at least, i'm sure other people have different views on what pound for pound is.........Regardless of your views or that of other people, the fact is that the term "pound-for-pound" means excellence (of a given fighter) without regard to weight class. Whether a fighter has fought in multiple weight classes or not, is totally irrelevant. The (#4#) designation is reserved for a fighter who is considered to be the best in all of boxing. Period.

of course if Roy Jones would have fought a couple of more times in heavy he would be p4p/heavyweight champ

p4p type heavyweights = Tyson, Holyfield, Clay. Their weight and size was clearly not a factor in their greatness. Tyson was not big but had imposing speed and strength. Holyfield was always outpowered and undersized but won with unmatchable heart and boxing savy. Clay had a nice combo of sting, speed, and boxing skills. Who's Clay?! Are you serious? Kids these days:sigh1:I'm no kid. I'm probably old enough to be your father. See below... Muhammad Ali.I know damn well who he meant by "Clay." The question (who's Clay?) was strictly rhetorical in my subtle way of asking Lance Uppercut why is he referring to Ali by his renounced "slave" name. Would you refer to Abdul-Jabbar as Alcindor? (yet another rhetorical question)

a natural heavyweight i say NO! but if it is a guy like Holyfield or someone who comes up from lower weight classes winning on the way to heavyweight and winning there, then i would say YES......... pound for pound is for guys who fight outside there natural weight class. and to be specific, moving out of their natural weight class to fight bigger guys. that is what pound for pound means. to me at least, i'm sure other people have different views on what pound for pound is......... i would agree with you, but b-hop was p4p without ever wondering out of 160

a natural heavyweight i say NO! but if it is a guy like Holyfield or someone who comes up from lower weight classes winning on the way to heavyweight and winning there, then i would say YES......... pound for pound is for guys who fight outside there natural weight class. and to be specific, moving out of their natural weight class to fight bigger guys. that is what pound for pound means. to me at least, i'm sure other people have different views on what pound for pound is.........

Actually p4p Wlad is a lot faster than guys in the smaller weight divisions for 6'6" 240lbs he is extremely quick

lol that's like saying whichever strawweight knocks out all the others should be p4p #1. heavyweights are a joke. do you call the least dorky out of a bunch of nerds a cool kid? no fuckin way. wtf? I would have been cool with finito close to the top of p4p.

I know youre real upset about your boys toney and rahman getting whuppped,,,but lets not take that out on the rest of the division. most of the americans are dreadful,,,but the europeans are better than many other eras hands down man, the fact that it took so long for someone to whup a fat, old MIDDLEWEIGHT speaks volume on the division. I am a big Toney fan, but, come on, Peter is a top contender (most likely future titleholder), and he managed to lose on my cards the first fight with Toney. Toney was a great fighter, but the fact that he was significant at HW is really sad for the guys who weigh a ripped 230+.

lol that's like saying whichever strawweight knocks out all the others should be p4p #1. heavyweights are a joke. do you call the least dorky out of a bunch of nerds a cool kid? no fuckin way. I know youre real upset about your boys toney and rahman getting whuppped,,,but lets not take that out on the rest of the division. most of the americans are dreadful,,,but the europeans are better than many other eras hands down

lol that's like saying whichever strawweight knocks out all the others should be p4p #1. heavyweights are a joke. do you call the least dorky out of a bunch of nerds a cool kid? no fuckin way. if we have four champions at welterweight (which we do currently) who dont do anything but fight contenders and madatories (like they do currently) instead of fighting each other, what do we have? just a pool of talented fighters who go their own way and try to line their pockets instead of cement their legacy. if we have four champions at HW (see above) who actually fight each other, and actually TRY to unify the titles and if one does (wlad most likely), and does so by knocking them out (which wlad is perfectly capable of doing), what do we have? a HW who has a legitimate claim to the p4p title. if lewis could do it (which he did), so can wlad.

Make it simple any fighter in any weight class can be crowned p4p number 1