BOXING'S GREATEST FIGHTERS - Bert Randolph Sugar

BOXING'S GREATEST FIGHTERS - In perspective Here is Bert Sugar's last word on his controversial book: APPENDIX Those greats who were on the cusp of being part of the elite 100 in Boxing's Greatest Fighters and just missed getting in are: Lou Ambers Kid Azteca Max Baer Marco Antonio Barrera* Jack "Kid" Berg Joe Brown Ken Buchanan* Antonio Cervantes* Oscar De La Hoya* Dixie Kid Mike Donovan Sixto Escobar Jeff French Tiger Jack Fox Gene Fullmer Young Griffo Fighting Harada Harry Jeffra Harold Johnson Fidel LaBarba George "Kid" Lavigne John Henry Lewis Lennox Lewis* Benny Lynch Floyd Mayweather, Jr.* Jack McAuliffe Mike McCallum Sam McVey Billy "Honey" Mellody Bob Montgomery Owen Moran Matthew Saad Muhammad* Azumaf Nelson* Lazlo Papp Eusebio Pedroza* Billy Petrolle Max Schmeling Jack Sharkey Jimmy Slattery Mysterious Billy Smith Michael Spinks* Lew Tendler Harry Wills*Fighters of the modern era

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i believe mayweather hasnt fully retired yet when this was compiled so he's not in the list. but you'll get an idea where he would be if he's retired at this moment, highest at around 50, just below hagler and whitaker. so all those who said mayweather would hardly break top 50 goat were not pretty off the mark, if you follow bert's list.

It's tough enough to select 100 greatest fighters, let alone place them in order of greatness. My hat's off to Bert Sugar. And on his head, if you get my drift...

this book was written a long time ago and then edited again i dont when but definitely before mayweather beat dlh cause i've had the book for awhile. bert wouldnt put him on till after mayweathers career is over.Be that as it may, this edition was copyrighted in 2006.

You know this list is a joke if Holyfield and Tyson make the list...but no Lennox Lewis...

There's no doubt about that, he'd have the highest kill count too. :lol1: Beautiful

What if we threw all these guys in a pit? Who would walk out? I got money on "Mr. 100." :fing02: Mr. dead last.. :wank:

It seems difficult to avoid crossing up, and randomly selectively throwing names out.. The reason I pose the question is because I think any list of 100 - regardless of what it is, should be governed by some sort of structured - if not scientifically organized system of provable, establishable pretense. Bert Sugar is an egomaniac. Functionally speaking all 100 of these guys are equal. Except for #1, or #2, or ah fuck!!!... Thus the reason for some kind of system. THE END

He's the biggest egomaniac in boxing, you're right. Can't help but respect him though. He still lives for the fights. I dig that.

Pound for pound, which in my opinion means demonstrated ability combined with competition and dominance regardless of weight class. It seems difficult to avoid crossing up, and randomly selectively throwing names out.. The reason I pose the question is because I think any list of 100 - regardless of what it is, should be governed by some sort of structured - if not scientifically organized system of provable, establishable pretense. Bert Sugar is an egomaniac.

You're right, nobody I know of could make a better top 100 list (if a top 100 list at all), but from what we DO know, surely we're allowed to put our opinions across. Putting up your opinion about what should be moved higher, lower, on the list, off the list etc is fine... but when people are calling Sugar a moron because of his choices is just ridiculous.

Mayweather doesn't belong on the list at all. He hasn't justifies it yet. He is soooo talented but just doesn't put it to much use.

SRR would literally kill any welterweight today.

BTW - what was the specific criteria he used this to come by? If anyone knows..

Those of you bashing the list. Bert (if memory serves) has stated that the list only included retired fighters, so most modern fighters do not cut the list for obvious reasons. Also, all of you people insulting the list need to shut the fuck up. I sincerely doubt anybody who has posted in this thread thus far could create a list of 100 greatest fighters that would even come close to matching people's approval. He is wrong about 1 thing though... Moore should be top 10.

The Mayweather thing is a bit crazy, but Mike Tyson wasn't that great to me, never was. Sorry. And I like the guy, you guys just pick one or two things you disagree with and base your opinion of him, on that. Very....... wrong, in my opinion. The list itself, is pretty decent. Sugar Roy Robinson, would KILL Floyd Mayweather, by the way.

"Bert Sugar has a passion for the sport that is rivaled only by his talent for writing about it" - New York Sportscene FOREWORD Bert Randolph Sugar, known as the "unofficial historian" and "the guru" of boxing, is one of the most charismatic writers ever to capture the drama of fights and fighters on paper. One of the most recognizable personalities in the sport, Sugar - with his trademark fedora and cigar - has been called "entertaining, insightful, and eminently colorful." A member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, he has served as the editor of The Ring, Boxing Illustrated, and Fight Game magazines, and is the author of more than fifty books. Bert Randolph Sugar http://www.strategyboxing.com/Images/bert.jpg "...No amount of fistic bookkeeping could account for "greatness" absent other elements in the equation." - Bert Sugar 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time Sugar Ray Robinson Henry Armstrong Willie Pep Joe Louis Harry Greb Benny Leonard Muhammad Ali Roberto Duran Jack Dempsey Jack Johnson Mickey Walker Tony Canzoneri Gene Tunney Rocky Marciano Joe Gans Sam Langford Julio Cesar Chavez Jimmy Wild Stanley Ketchel Barney Ross Jimmy McLarnin Archie Moore Marcel Cerdan Ezzard Charles Sugar Ray Leonard Joe Walcott Jake LaMptta Eder Jofre Emile Griffith Terry McGovern George Foreman Johnny Dundee Jose Napoles Pascual Perez Billy Conn Ruben Olivares Joe Frazier Tommy Loughran Sandy Saddler Kid Chocolate Abe Atell Evander Holyfield George Dixon Maxie Rosenbloom Larry Holmes Ted "Kid" Lewis Marvelous Marvin Hagler Pernell Whitaker Carlos Zarate Thomas Hearns Battling Nelson Beau Jack Ricardo Lopez John L. Sullivan Carlos Monzon Alexis Arguello Carmen Basilio Pete Herman Charley Burley Ike Williams Kid Gavilan Jack Britton Dick Tiger Pancho Villa Panama Al Brown Bob Fitzsimmons Philadelphia Jack O'Brien Tiger Flowers James J. Corbett Tony Zale Tommy Ryan Georges Carpentier Sonny Liston "Kid" McCoy Bob Foster Freddie Welsh Joe Jeannette Jim Driscoll Jersey Joe Walcott Peter Jackson Ad Wolgast Nonpareil Jack Dempsey Manuel Ortiz James J. Jeffries Salvador Sanchez Jimmy Barry Carlos Ortiz Roy Jones, Jr. Wilfredo Gomez Aaron Pryor Bernard Hopkins Mike Gibbons Jack Delaney Johnny Kilbane Willie Ritchie Wilfredo Benitez Packey McFarland Rocky Graziano Lew Jenkins Mike Tyson Your thoughts... Nice to see Duran so high.. I guess. :fing02: Who was faster and more deadly accurate than Robert in Leonard I? The trajectory on some of those shots had after-burn on them. :bigeyes:

agreed. i dont care much for bert sugar. theres some good fighters on that list but my list would be WAY different, and yes robjr, i think floyd mayweather SHOULD be on a list of top 100 fighters, especially if leonard and sweet pea are. my opinion. I respect yer opinion.. but he aint no leonard or sweet pea..

He overates a lot of the old timers. Like Benny Leonard. #6 all time? gimme a break, id put him at LEAST 10 spots higher on the list. You would put him at -4 all time?