"Bert Sugar has a passion for the sport that is rivaled only by his talent for writing about it" - New York Sportscene
FOREWORD
Bert Randolph Sugar, known as the "unofficial historian" and "the guru" of boxing, is one of the most charismatic writers ever to capture the drama of fights and fighters on paper. One of the most recognizable personalities in the sport, Sugar - with his trademark fedora and cigar - has been called "entertaining, insightful, and eminently colorful." A member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, he has served as the editor of The Ring, Boxing Illustrated, and Fight Game magazines, and is the author of more than fifty books.
Bert Randolph Sugar
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"...No amount of fistic bookkeeping could account for "greatness" absent other elements in the equation." - Bert Sugar
100 Greatest Boxers of All Time
Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Joe Gans
Sam Langford
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jimmy Wild
Stanley Ketchel
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Archie Moore
Marcel Cerdan
Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Walcott
Jake LaMptta
Eder Jofre
Emile Griffith
Terry McGovern
George Foreman
Johnny Dundee
Jose Napoles
Pascual Perez
Billy Conn
Ruben Olivares
Joe Frazier
Tommy Loughran
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Abe Atell
Evander Holyfield
George Dixon
Maxie Rosenbloom
Larry Holmes
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Carlos Zarate
Thomas Hearns
Battling Nelson
Beau Jack
Ricardo Lopez
John L. Sullivan
Carlos Monzon
Alexis Arguello
Carmen Basilio
Pete Herman
Charley Burley
Ike Williams
Kid Gavilan
Jack Britton
Dick Tiger
Pancho Villa
Panama Al Brown
Bob Fitzsimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Tiger Flowers
James J. Corbett
Tony Zale
Tommy Ryan
Georges Carpentier
Sonny Liston
"Kid" McCoy
Bob Foster
Freddie Welsh
Joe Jeannette
Jim Driscoll
Jersey Joe Walcott
Peter Jackson
Ad Wolgast
Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
Manuel Ortiz
James J. Jeffries
Salvador Sanchez
Jimmy Barry
Carlos Ortiz
Roy Jones, Jr.
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Bernard Hopkins
Mike Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Johnny Kilbane
Willie Ritchie
Wilfredo Benitez
Packey McFarland
Rocky Graziano
Lew Jenkins
Mike Tyson
Your thoughts...
SEE APPENDIX AT POST #39
BOXING'S GREATEST FIGHTERS - In perspective
Here is Bert Sugar's last word on his controversial book:
APPENDIX
Those greats who were on the cusp of being part of the elite 100 in Boxing's Greatest Fighters and just missed getting in are:
Lou Ambers
Kid Azteca
Max Baer
Marco Antonio Barrera*
Jack "Kid" Berg
Joe Brown
Ken Buchanan*
Antonio Cervantes*
Oscar De La Hoya*
Dixie Kid
Mike Donovan
Sixto Escobar
Jeff French
Tiger Jack Fox
Gene Fullmer
Young Griffo
Fighting Harada
Harry Jeffra
Harold Johnson
Fidel LaBarba
George "Kid" Lavigne
John Henry Lewis
Lennox Lewis*
Benny Lynch
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.*
Jack McAuliffe
Mike McCallum
Sam McVey
Billy "Honey" Mellody
Bob Montgomery
Owen Moran
Matthew Saad Muhammad*
Azumaf Nelson*
Lazlo Papp
Eusebio Pedroza*
Billy Petrolle
Max Schmeling
Jack Sharkey
Jimmy Slattery
Mysterious Billy Smith
Michael Spinks*
Lew Tendler
Harry Wills*Fighters of the modern era
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PS. Bert Sugar's out his mind: He should have left that overrated f*** off the list.
Poet:offtopic: Spoken like the founder and most loyal member of the Mike Tyson fan club...
i believe mayweather hasnt fully retired yet when this was compiled so he's not in the list. but you'll get an idea where he would be if he's retired at this moment, highest at around 50, just below hagler and whitaker.
so all those who said mayweather would hardly break top 50 goat were not pretty off the mark, if you follow bert's list.
It's tough enough to select 100 greatest fighters, let alone place them in order of greatness. My hat's off to Bert Sugar. And on his head, if you get my drift...
this book was written a long time ago and then edited again i dont when but definitely before mayweather beat dlh cause i've had the book for awhile. bert wouldnt put him on till after mayweathers career is over.Be that as it may, this edition was copyrighted in 2006.
It seems difficult to avoid crossing up, and randomly selectively throwing names out..
The reason I pose the question is because I think any list of 100 - regardless of what it is, should be governed by some sort of structured - if not scientifically organized system of provable, establishable pretense.
Bert Sugar is an egomaniac.
Functionally speaking all 100 of these guys are equal.
Except for #1, or #2, or ah fuck!!!...
Thus the reason for some kind of system.
THE END
Pound for pound, which in my opinion means demonstrated ability combined with competition and dominance regardless of weight class.
It seems difficult to avoid crossing up, and randomly selectively throwing names out..
The reason I pose the question is because I think any list of 100 - regardless of what it is, should be governed by some sort of structured - if not scientifically organized system of provable, establishable pretense.
Bert Sugar is an egomaniac.
You're right, nobody I know of could make a better top 100 list (if a top 100 list at all), but from what we DO know, surely we're allowed to put our opinions across.
Putting up your opinion about what should be moved higher, lower, on the list, off the list etc is fine... but when people are calling Sugar a moron because of his choices is just ridiculous.
Those of you bashing the list.
Bert (if memory serves) has stated that the list only included retired fighters, so most modern fighters do not cut the list for obvious reasons.
Also, all of you people insulting the list need to shut the fuck up. I sincerely doubt anybody who has posted in this thread thus far could create a list of 100 greatest fighters that would even come close to matching people's approval.
He is wrong about 1 thing though... Moore should be top 10.
The Mayweather thing is a bit crazy, but Mike Tyson wasn't that great to me, never was. Sorry. And I like the guy, you guys just pick one or two things you disagree with and base your opinion of him, on that. Very....... wrong, in my opinion. The list itself, is pretty decent. Sugar Roy Robinson, would KILL Floyd Mayweather, by the way.
"Bert Sugar has a passion for the sport that is rivaled only by his talent for writing about it" - New York Sportscene
FOREWORD
Bert Randolph Sugar, known as the "unofficial historian" and "the guru" of boxing, is one of the most charismatic writers ever to capture the drama of fights and fighters on paper. One of the most recognizable personalities in the sport, Sugar - with his trademark fedora and cigar - has been called "entertaining, insightful, and eminently colorful." A member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame, he has served as the editor of The Ring, Boxing Illustrated, and Fight Game magazines, and is the author of more than fifty books.
Bert Randolph Sugar
http://www.strategyboxing.com/Images/bert.jpg
"...No amount of fistic bookkeeping could account for "greatness" absent other elements in the equation." - Bert Sugar
100 Greatest Boxers of All Time
Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Joe Louis
Harry Greb
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Gene Tunney
Rocky Marciano
Joe Gans
Sam Langford
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jimmy Wild
Stanley Ketchel
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Archie Moore
Marcel Cerdan
Ezzard Charles
Sugar Ray Leonard
Joe Walcott
Jake LaMptta
Eder Jofre
Emile Griffith
Terry McGovern
George Foreman
Johnny Dundee
Jose Napoles
Pascual Perez
Billy Conn
Ruben Olivares
Joe Frazier
Tommy Loughran
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Abe Atell
Evander Holyfield
George Dixon
Maxie Rosenbloom
Larry Holmes
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Carlos Zarate
Thomas Hearns
Battling Nelson
Beau Jack
Ricardo Lopez
John L. Sullivan
Carlos Monzon
Alexis Arguello
Carmen Basilio
Pete Herman
Charley Burley
Ike Williams
Kid Gavilan
Jack Britton
Dick Tiger
Pancho Villa
Panama Al Brown
Bob Fitzsimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Tiger Flowers
James J. Corbett
Tony Zale
Tommy Ryan
Georges Carpentier
Sonny Liston
"Kid" McCoy
Bob Foster
Freddie Welsh
Joe Jeannette
Jim Driscoll
Jersey Joe Walcott
Peter Jackson
Ad Wolgast
Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
Manuel Ortiz
James J. Jeffries
Salvador Sanchez
Jimmy Barry
Carlos Ortiz
Roy Jones, Jr.
Wilfredo Gomez
Aaron Pryor
Bernard Hopkins
Mike Gibbons
Jack Delaney
Johnny Kilbane
Willie Ritchie
Wilfredo Benitez
Packey McFarland
Rocky Graziano
Lew Jenkins
Mike Tyson
Your thoughts...
Nice to see Duran so high.. I guess. :fing02:
Who was faster and more deadly accurate than Robert in Leonard I?
The trajectory on some of those shots had after-burn on them. :bigeyes:
agreed.
i dont care much for bert sugar. theres some good fighters on that list but my list would be WAY different, and yes robjr, i think floyd mayweather SHOULD be on a list of top 100 fighters, especially if leonard and sweet pea are. my opinion.
I respect yer opinion.. but he aint no leonard or sweet pea..
He overates a lot of the old timers. Like Benny Leonard. #6 all time? gimme a break, id put him at LEAST 10 spots higher on the list.
You would put him at -4 all time?