A Serious Discussion On The Possibility of RJj.Calzaghe

Are you kidding??? Roy beat better fighters then Joe did and roy moved from Mw to Hw!!! no, jones fought bums his entire career. Big deal he beat old man hopkins when he wasn`t so old. The only times jones has fought decent opposition, he's been knocked unconcious.

Eubanks lost 5 out of his last 9...he WAS DONE. Those were his 1st loss'. Eubank lost two close disputable decisions before his fight with calzaghe. That is not being done. Being done is when you get knocked out cold twice like RJJ. Whats Collins or Thompson doing now? Did they ever do good? Eubanks got TKO'd his last. He quit because his body was quitting against lower level guys. Both were world champions. Eubank was stopped by the doctor and was comfortably winning the fight at the time. Thompson who TKO'd Eubanks got KTFO'd in his next fight against Johnny Nelson who was like 31-12. Thank god for boxrec. Nelson was a champion for nearly 10 years and had not been beaten since the mid nineties. Most of his losses came early in his career. Guhuh? PMj was moving...slippin..etc. He didnt have a chance to git off the ropes...twas too fast....HAHA. No he wasn`t, he was virtually static. Watch the fight again, he was doing NOTHING. NO you missed the point...if Bernstein said it was a gift it WAS. Hes seen more fights than anyone on this board. Mitchell wasnt like Morrison against Mercer. Who the fuck is bernstein, some armchair, self-appointed god of boxing knowledge. I have no idea who he is nor do i care who he is. Watching alot of fights doesn`t mean anything. My friend eats a lot of big macs, that doesn`t make him ronald mcdonald. Their buying a champ. See how they fans run? They run to the states...their buying tickets...its called progressive marketing. Go to college. haha i find it amusing that someone who can barely write should tell me to go to college. SO drinking a cup of coffe is cheating? Ripped Fuel is coffee in a pill. How old are you? Not dissing just curious. Steroids are made in a lab. Yohimbe is a plant. You are basing your assumptions on incorrect information. Who said he only took ripped fuel and coffee (was it jones?). That is the standard bullshit response from someone caught doping.

the problem with RJJ is that 99% of his opponents were nobodies, his only good win was against Hopkins who wasn`t as good as he was going to be and then RJJ fights people like tarver and Johnson and gets brutally KO'd. People should stop wearing Roy tinted spectacles and reliving the days of him fighting roided up with his hands behind his back. The man fought nobodies and was probably juicing. Are you kidding??? Roy beat better fighters then Joe did and roy moved from Mw to Hw!!!

Manfredo wold've knocked joe out if the fight continued :banana: :ugh:

the problem with RJJ is that 99% of his opponents were nobodies, his only good win was against Hopkins who wasn`t as good as he was going to be and then RJJ fights people like tarver and Johnson and gets brutally KO'd. People should stop wearing Roy tinted spectacles and reliving the days of him fighting roided up with his hands behind his back. The man fought nobodies and was probably juicing. James Toney?!?

That someone is ME. Lets get something straight. PMj didnt git stopped...the ref stopped the fight. Its insane to say it woulda ended up the similiar. One punch can change a fight. I'm reauthoring that fight and when its done I'll make screen shots of the shots PMj was catching Joe with. They were quick and few but Petey was connecting. Everything went by so fast and there was no replays. Joe doesnt stop flurrying eh? Come on. Pete said post fight that he was waiting for a opening...doubt he lying since that what YOU DO against a flurry. Wow. I mean, wow.

What he was doing was standing there with his hands over his head hoping that Joe stopped punching sometime. The way his hands were positioned he couldnt possibly see what Calzaghe was doing, so he couldnt be 'looking for an opening' because he wasnt even looking. Course he said that after the fight. What is the alternative? "I froze because I was frightened and did literally nothing in a fight that I didnt deserve anyway"?

Ahahahaha. Is someone in this thread genuinely claiming that Peter Manfredo Jnr was biding his time and looking for an opening when he got stopped by Calzaghe? Sure, the stoppage was definitely early, but when Manfredo has got his hands up in fear hoping that the other boxer will stop throwing punches at him (and when he's fighting a boxer who doesnt stop throwing and doesnt tire out) then it really was only a matter of time before the fight was stopped. Looking for an opening indeed. Cowering is the word you're looking for. That someone is ME. Lets get something straight. PMj didnt git stopped...the ref stopped the fight. Its insane to say it woulda ended up the similiar. One punch can change a fight. I'm reauthoring that fight and when its done I'll make screen shots of the shots PMj was catching Joe with. They were quick and few but Petey was connecting. Everything went by so fast and there was no replays. Joe doesnt stop flurrying eh? Come on. Pete said post fight that he was waiting for a opening...doubt he lying since that what YOU DO against a flurry.

Ahahahaha. Is someone in this thread genuinely claiming that Peter Manfredo Jnr was biding his time and looking for an opening when he got stopped by Calzaghe? Sure, the stoppage was definitely early, but when Manfredo has got his hands up in fear hoping that the other boxer will stop throwing punches at him (and when he's fighting a boxer who doesnt stop throwing and doesnt tire out) then it really was only a matter of time before the fight was stopped. Looking for an opening indeed. Cowering is the word you're looking for.

Kid I never meant he was eldery. Morales is like 31 and hes a old ass fighter as well. Its figurative...Eubanks was old and done for boxing...werd! Hey...King is a dick but he makes the fights on dont give a shit wherre they are from. Lacy lost...you win:fing02:. Manfredo was doding waiting for a opening...Joe cant flurry all night and 95% of those punhes missed. Mitchell was almost the same thing and he had just DROPPED Joe filthy. Dave Parris was dying to git him out of there. he was weathering the storm . Hatton head butted...held and hit...elbow smash...low blows...everything but punching Tszyus legs and feet. I dont care if the hype them up...but where is the limit? How far will they go? How far have they went to procure this dream? Thats the arguement. Easily answered. I know alot about roids and wont say why or how...but 90% or roids are oil based...means they stay in the body for almost 6 months...and those roids are for muscle gain...not athleticism. Riods like EPO benefit boxers...not testoserone. Testosterone puts boxers at a disadvantahe in many ways...even weight loss! The roids boxers are caught doing are mostly for weight loss. E.g.: Vargs...Mayorga. Toney got caught w/Deca...and wrongfully accused. He had doctor notes for it. They were transdermal patches used for injury. Deca is used for muscle gain by body builders and is oil based. Deca is a double strong testosterone and only a idiot would try and pass a competitions test on it. RJj did Ripped Fule...a Thermogenic via Ephedrine...makes your heart beat fast...often assimilated in many ways to a cup of COFFEE! The only reason Ehpedrine got banned is because a few athletes died and after autposy ephedrine was found in their system. It was angry parent not wanting to face facts. The case from my university...kid died on soccer field or football...forget. They parents didnt want to tell ya and I guess it wasnt revelant enough that COCAINE was in his system and was known for doing lines before games. Others were old men w/prior heart conditions. Do your research before getting wild son. THIS IS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION and bad ratings and bad karma will ensue for this thread. The manfredo stoppage was joke, but the retard should've thrown something back. Calzaghe had mitchell badly hurt in that fight, mitchell was dropped heavily about 10 seconds after calzaghe got up. The stoppage was questionable, but it would only have been a matter of time before calzaghe finished him off. I very much doubt that steroids played any part in roy jones' success, by watching his amateur and early professional fights you can tell that he was gifted with an insane level of physical ability.

oh dear, I had to quote this just for the comedic value!... sure there are different types of steroids....cortisone is a steroid, shit...Vitamin D is a steroid...but they don't test for that...of course they were PERFORMANCE ENHANCING steroids... oh, and btw....seems to me that most people on this board (like the general public) don't really understand how steroids work... Taking steroids does not by itself make you stronger...what it DOES do is allow your muscle to regenerate itself faster after breaking down during workouts...so what they allow you to do is work out for longer periods of time, and more often...People on steroids still have to bust their ass...they can just bust their ass for longer periods of time, and more often. I agree and disagree. EPO makes your stronger, competition wise...ask any Tour De France cyclist. EPO is taken during competition. The reason the Tour De France got busted cuz theyde keep a condom filled w/good piss for testing after the race. The condom was laid in the crack of their ass'. One guys condom broke...lol...serious. Sports Illustrated. I know and agree about the actual definition/class steroids fall into. But most peoplpe, especially people here, I have to talk on their level to get the point across. Lets not mince words. Its folly.

Eubank was not old and done. 31 is not old no matter how you swing it. Hopkins is 40 and he isn`t done. Eubank retired because he was only ever interested in money. When he lost to Calzaghe he couldn`t command the type of purses that would make it worth him fighting. He has publicly stated he hates boxing and only boxed for money. He moved up in weight and then retired. Eubanks lost 5 out of his last 9...he WAS DONE. Those were his 1st loss'. Whats Collins or Thompson doing now? Did they ever do good? Eubanks got TKO'd his last. He quit because his body was quitting against lower level guys. Thompson who TKO'd Eubanks got KTFO'd in his next fight against Johnny Nelson who was like 31-12. Manfredo was was not moving, that is not looking for an opening. If Manfredo was really looking for an opening he should have moved. If he doesn`t know the rules of boxing he shouldn`t box, judging by his nose he doesn`t know how to slip a jab either Guhuh? PMj was moving...slippin..etc. He didnt have a chance to git off the ropes...twas too fast....HAHA. You have missed the point. The referee is in the ring to protect the fighters and enforce the rules. Mitchell was getting tagged time and time again and the referee was right to stop it. He had just been down was about to go down again. Do you remember Gerald McClellan? Boxing in this country has changed. If you think boxers should be allowed to be pummeled without intervention you asking for a repeat of that. NO you missed the point...if Bernstein said it was a gift it WAS. Hes seen more fights than anyone on this board. Mitchell wasnt like Morrison against Mercer. i dont understand this. Procure their dream? What are they buying. I dont get it. Their buying a champ. See how they fans run? They run to the states...their buying tickets...its called progressive marketing. Go to college. So you are implying you`ve dont roids and are an authority on them. No matter how you shake this up, taking steroids is cheating. Illegal substance = cheating. This isn`t difficult to understand. RJJ could be using a steroid enema for all i care. Its still cheating. I'm not implying I've done them or said that. I'm implying that ima former athlete, intelligent, studied exercise science, and have a college degree. SO drinking a cup of coffe is cheating? Ripped Fuel is coffee in a pill. How old are you? Not dissing just curious. Steroids are made in a lab. Yohimbe is a plant.

oh dear, I had to quote this just for the comedic value!... sure there are different types of steroids....cortisone is a steroid, shit...Vitamin D is a steroid...but they don't test for that...of course they were PERFORMANCE ENHANCING steroids... oh, and btw....seems to me that most people on this board (like the general public) don't really understand how steroids work... Taking steroids does not by itself make you stronger...what it DOES do is allow your muscle to regenerate itself faster after breaking down during workouts...so what they allow you to do is work out for longer periods of time, and more often...People on steroids still have to bust their ass...they can just bust their ass for longer periods of time, and more often.. Glad it made you laugh, now check this out, if what toney says is true, he was given substances to help him get over an injury, there is difference between a doctor giving you a substance to get over an injury which contains traces of an illegal substance. And outright knowingly taking steriods, which is what toney claims he didnt do for the ruiz fight. I also think in toney's case it could have been a case of PERFORMANCE ENABLING, rather than PERFORMANCE ENHANCING. according to what i read, seems like Nandrolone though which is known as a performance enhancer, but i would say it depends how much was found in his system which determines if it enhanced his performance, Several High profile footballers failed drugs tests because Nandrolone was present in some of the medication and things they took without their own knowledge (so they claim), doesnt mean they were taking the stuff daily to get an advantage. it makes no sense, why do it when you know chances are you will get tested? lol

When toney beat ruiz, they found steriods in his system, however as far as i know they were never proven to be PERFORMANCE ENHANCING steriods, thus toney beat ruiz fair and square, and was robbed of his heavyweight title. oh dear, I had to quote this just for the comedic value!... sure there are different types of steroids....cortisone is a steroid, shit...Vitamin D is a steroid...but they don't test for that...of course they were PERFORMANCE ENHANCING steroids... oh, and btw....seems to me that most people on this board (like the general public) don't really understand how steroids work... Taking steroids does not by itself make you stronger...what it DOES do is allow your muscle to regenerate itself faster after breaking down during workouts...so what they allow you to do is work out for longer periods of time, and more often...People on steroids still have to bust their ass...they can just bust their ass for longer periods of time, and more often.. Now when it comes to sports...Steroids CAN NOT make anyone a superstar...PERIOD...if you cant hit a baseball...Steroids will not make you Barry Bonds....if you can't box...Steroids can not make you Joe Frasier.... what they can do is make great players or fighters hall of famers by adding that little extra pop to their bat, or punches... still cheatin lyin SOB's....but steroids are some of the most misunderstood substances on Earth....

Kid I never meant he was eldery. Morales is like 31 and hes a old ass fighter as well. Its figurative...Eubanks was old and done for boxing...werd! Eubank was not old and done. 31 is not old no matter how you swing it. Hopkins is 40 and he isn`t done. Eubank retired because he was only ever interested in money. When he lost to Calzaghe he couldn`t command the type of purses that would make it worth him fighting. He has publicly stated he hates boxing and only boxed for money. He moved up in weight and then retired. Hey...King is a dick but he makes the fights on dont give a shit wherre they are from. Lacy lost...you win:fing02:. Manfredo was doding waiting for a opening...Joe cant flurry all night and 95% of those punhes missed. Mitchell was almost the same thing and he had just DROPPED Joe filthy. Dave Parris was dying to git him out of there. Manfredo was was not moving, that is not looking for an opening. If Manfredo was really looking for an opening he should have moved. If he doesn`t know the rules of boxing he shouldn`t box, judging by his nose he doesn`t know how to slip a jab either he was weathering the storm . Hatton head butted...held and hit...elbow smash...low blows...everything but punching Tszyus legs and feet. You have missed the point. The referee is in the ring to protect the fighters and enforce the rules. Mitchell was getting tagged time and time again and the referee was right to stop it. He had just been down was about to go down again. Do you remember Gerald McClellan? Boxing in this country has changed. If you think boxers should be allowed to be pummeled without intervention you asking for a repeat of that. I dont care if the hype them up...but where is the limit? How far will they go? How far have they went to procure this dream? Thats the arguement. i dont understand this. Procure their dream? What are they buying. I dont get it. Easily answered. I know alot about roids and wont say why or how...but 90% or roids are oil based...means they stay in the body for almost 6 months...and those roids are for muscle gain...not athleticism. Riods like EPO benefit boxers...not testoserone. Testosterone puts boxers at a disadvantahe in many ways...even weight loss! So you are implying you`ve dont roids and are an authority on them. No matter how you shake this up, taking steroids is cheating. The roids boxers are caught doing are mostly for weight loss. E.g.: Vargs...Mayorga. Toney got caught w/Deca...and wrongfully accused. He had doctor notes for it. They were transdermal patches used for injury. Deca is used for muscle gain by body builders and is oil based. Deca is a double strong testosterone and only a idiot would try and pass a competitions test on it. Illegal substance = cheating. This isn`t difficult to understand. RJJ could be using a steroid enema for all i care. Its still cheating.

Eubank was 31 when he lost to Calzaghe. Are you saying that 31 is over the hill? Calzaghe beat Lacy down and Calzaghe was 33. Age is immaterial. Eubank was world class, defeated Nigel benn who we all know ripped his way through the American middleweights. Kid I never meant he was eldery. Morales is like 31 and hes a old ass fighter as well. Its figurative...Eubanks was old and done for boxing...werd! If you want to talk about corruption you should watch most of Don Kings shows for the past 20 years. Holyfield vs Lewis was corruption. Did Lacy get a raw deal in his Loss? Was manfredo winning the fight when it was stopped, or was he just sitting on the ropes not doing anything at all. The referee isn`t in the head of the boxer, if he does nothing, he assumes he is hurt. Maybe you want people to die in the ring, but we dont. Hey...King is a dick but he makes the fights on dont give a shit wherre they are from. Lacy lost...you win:fing02:. Manfredo was doding waiting for a opening...Joe cant flurry all night and 95% of those punhes missed. Mitchell was almost the same thing and he had just DROPPED Joe filthy. Dave Parris was dying to git him out of there. Mitchell was out on his feet. Hattons only indiscretion was hitting Tzsyu with a low blow. if you dont like his style, dont watch, simple as that really. Who cares what a journalist in the US thinks? he was weathering the storm . Hatton head butted...held and hit...elbow smash...low blows...everything but punching Tszyus legs and feet. I`ve never seen a post about how great a british fighter is, only ones that bash them and then people respond. Why do you care if British people hype up British fighters? The amount of utter shit people talk on here about American fighters JUST because they are American outweighs anything Britiish people say. I dont care if the hype them up...but where is the limit? How far will they go? How far have they went to procure this dream? Thats the arguement. You ask me if i know Joe, then you give me a line that implies you have been watching what RJJ eats and injects. You must know that steroid use is rampant in all US sports. I`ve lost count of the amount of boxers, athletes etc who have been implicated by third party AMERICAN sources. Easily answered. I know alot about roids and wont say why or how...but 90% or roids are oil based...means they stay in the body for almost 6 months...and those roids are for muscle gain...not athleticism. Riods like EPO benefit boxers...not testoserone. Testosterone puts boxers at a disadvantahe in many ways...even weight loss! The roids boxers are caught doing are mostly for weight loss. E.g.: Vargs...Mayorga. Toney got caught w/Deca...and wrongfully accused. He had doctor notes for it. They were transdermal patches used for injury. Deca is used for muscle gain by body builders and is oil based. Deca is a double strong testosterone and only a idiot would try and pass a competitions test on it. RJj did Ripped Fule...a Thermogenic via Ephedrine...makes your heart beat fast...often assimilated in many ways to a cup of COFFEE! The only reason Ehpedrine got banned is because a few athletes died and after autposy ephedrine was found in their system. It was angry parent not wanting to face facts. The case from my university...kid died on soccer field or football...forget. They parents didnt want to tell ya and I guess it wasnt revelant enough that COCAINE was in his system and was known for doing lines before games. Others were old men w/prior heart conditions. Do your research before getting wild son. THIS IS A SERIOUS DISCUSSION and bad ratings and bad karma will ensue for this thread.

Is the best win on Roys record Hopkins? And as of now Hopkins would beat the ever living shit out of roy, and roy knows that. Hopkins is older and would give a boxing lesson to the younger roy. Hopkins never dodged a rematch against roy, roy dodged Hopkins Wrong...you got names like prime Toney....prime Hill...Sosa...becoming HW champ . BHop, coming in a rematch as a loser priced himself out several times. Why should RJj take even 50/50 in a guy he already beat? RJj would still beat BHop. BHop proved Tarver was a fluke.

they weren`t proved not to be performance enhancing. Yes i think they were, im pretty sure, check it out, i think it was proven that the sutff toney took against ruiz was NOT performance enhancing, some dude on East.Side boxing even put toney on the p4p list and counted the over ruiz because of it. Toney is perhaps the most naturally talented fighter we have seen, he has problems with weight, but steriods arent what makes a fat 230 pounds man go up to heavyweight after starting his carrer at 160 and giving the most dangerous puncher in the divison a boxing lesson (according to many).

they weren`t proved not to be performance enhancing. Steroids can improve endurance, power, speed, everything. As far as i`m concerned, if someone takes steroids to put on weight, or whether they take them to improve stamina, is the same thing, its cheating.

the problem with RJJ is that 99% of his opponents were nobodies, his only good win was against Hopkins who wasn`t as good as he was going to be and then RJJ fights people like tarver and Johnson and gets brutally KO'd. People should stop wearing Roy tinted spectacles and reliving the days of him fighting roided up with his hands behind his back. The man fought nobodies and was probably juicing. Dont forget prime toney who was unbeaten, Mike Mc Callum and Virgil Hill are also highly rated. See my question to you in the other thread. Also, Steriods dont enhance boxing skills as far as i know, there are different types of steriods, you dont just take them and become superman, its likely to have been related to jones needing to put on weight, and muscle as he moved up through the divison. When toney beat ruiz, they found steriods in his system, however as far as i know they were never proven to be PERFORMANCE ENHANCING steriods, thus toney beat ruiz fair and square, and was robbed of his heavyweight title.