after reading all the ricky and floyd posts, it got me thinking who is the most hyped up boxer of all time?
imo its gotta be Prince naseem hamed, he had no bottle when it came to it :-(
P29 & mickeyb:
I hope when you say he isn’t one of the top ten fighters in britain you mean achievement-wise within the proffesional ranks. When you talk about natural ability, speed; both defensively and when he’s on the attack, footwork and accuracy Kahn is easily one of the best we’ve got. I don’t see how you can watch him fight compared to the bulk of british fighters and not tell there is a distinct difference.
Don’t get me wrong, not for one second do I think it’s a good thing to over-hype someone, especially when as of yet they’ve not achieved anything (at least not as a pro). Like you’ve said we saw what it did to Audley but there’s two reasons why that shouldn’t mean anything, one; I think a good amatuer record means more going into the lower weight divisions and two; everyone’s different, you’ve got to give the kid a chance.
There is such a negative attitude towards british boxers, namely from british boxing fans and it’s such a shame. It must stem from how much better American fighters have been in the past but I think we’re really beginning to bridge the gap. We have some superb fighters now, infact I’d go as far to say never before have we had so many talented boxers at one time; Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye, Woods, Mitchell and Kahn to name a few. That’s just going on ability too not results.
It’s an exciting time to be a british boxing fan and although it’s sensible to not buy into the hype too much on the other side of the coin enjoy it. I just think sometimes people are too negative, look at what some of our boxers can do in the ring, with the right attitude it’s wrong to believe they’re not capable going very far.:boxing:
Recent - maybe Jeff Lacy.
Not to say he wasn't an extremely dangerous fighter, but by the time he faced Calzaghe most fans/critics were saying Lacy was a sure in to unify the division & pretty much destroy anyone in his path.
He went in a solid favourite against the longest running champ in the sport at the time & was thrashed.
All time - maybe Tyson.
The unbeatable destroyer - any flaws in his game were ignored & the hype beyond belief.
No way was Lewis overhyped. He was guilty of underachieving in certain fights, lacking concentration or being over cautious, but he deserved the hype cos of what he was capable of. Fighters who attract the attention he did don't get that attention because of their concistency but more of what they are capable of when they do turn it on, like when he blew away ruddock, grant and golota.
Any UK boxing fan has to accept that any boxer we produce over here with a shred of potential will be hyped up to fuck, and to be honest its beyond even hype, we just don't report on overseas boxers.
I can count on one hand the number of reports/features i've seen on non british boxers in the past 12months and one of them was on Valuev cos it was "funny" that he was tall.
My point is he was hyped in that he refused to take the hard road-probably because of the Mclellan thing. He could have but he lacked the heart to risk himself when it came time. Maybe the overhyped is wrong, but he definatly could have done way more to solidify his place in history!
Amen. I believe when Roy saw what happened to Mclellan it changed him. Mclellan would've fought Jones next in a superfight. Jones, i think, would've won and went on a different path. There is no doubt about Roy being the most athletically gifted boxer EVER. The man did things most dream of in the ring. There is always an argument of him being pressured and put on the ropes. If you look at his prime footage, yea, he got put on the ropes and got bullied in fights and what happened? 6-7 punch combinations. The best combination puncher I've seen including Ray Robinson. Bold statement? Not really. If Roy put it all out on the line, there wasn't anybody fvckin' with him PERIOD.
Ike Ibeabuchi and nobody even comes close.
The most overhyped heavyweight and maybe fighter of all time. 1 win over an undersized Byrd and a questionable victory over David Tua and people look back and think he's the greatest fighter in history.
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RJJ for me was over hyped but I can understand why, he always seemed to fight within himself therefore we were constantly expecting more.
He was an awesome fighter but the whole drug saga left a sour taste in the mouth for me.
Hamed over hyped himself, he was different and mouthy so he sold tickets and claimed fame, no-one can honestly say he didn't have talent and great power after all his only defeat came against one of the all time greats IMO.
What ruined his legacy was the way he just couldn't really get over the fact he was beaten unlike a true great who would attempt to avenge their defeats.
Mayweather isn't over hyped IMO, across the water here he's not really known off which is a shame as he is undoubtedly the most talented fighter of recent years.
As for Lennox Lewis, cannot agree, OK he lost to two one punch KO's but he came back and avenged those defeats. Other greats have lost yet have not avenged defeats, Foreman lost to Ali (KO) then Jimmy Young (Pts) then retired for 10 years.
Patterson, Louis, Tyson, Holyfield, Ali and even Dempsey etc all lost fights against lesser fighters so....
Gerry Cooney, wins against Lyle, Young and Norton propelled his hype. He was a decent heavyweight in a good era so....
all good points. No need to argue this. Those opinions are reasonable in my opinion, and i can admit i'm one opinionated bastad! lol
hamed had all the talent in the world to become a great, but he let himself down and created his own downfall, however he wasnt really over-hyped at the time he was considered along with tyson the most powerful puncher in the game, and his speed and reflexes were second to none, though he only went as far as he did because of ingle, steward as good as he is didnt really know how to handle nas!
Amir khan through no fault of his own is over-hyped, people in britian think he one of the best fighters in the world and when i tell them he isnt even a top 10 fighter in britian they are shocked! He cant help what the media says and does regarding him in all credit to thim he just has to carry on and keep getting the job done but come a guy who has dedicated his whole life to boxing and competed in the olympics is fighting a part time special needs teacher-OVERHYPED!
Tell me about it... and just like Khan, that hype is guna come back and bite him on the arse.
Harrison was a dissapointment, and not because what he achieved wasn't good enough, its because the media set his bar far, far to fucking high.
To mention Kahn in the same sentence as Audley is ridiculous, he hasn’t even had the opportunity to prove himself at the highest level yet.
Also he’s an awesome boxer and has all the attributes to go very, very far.
Tell me about it... and just like Khan, that hype is guna come back and bite him on the arse.
Harrison was a dissapointment, and not because what he achieved wasn't good enough, its because the media set his bar far, far to fucking high.
Aye mate they were, I think Khan will achieve more than Audley did though.
Nigel Benn was one of the most exciting fighters ever, from Britain, America or anywhere. He wasn’t the most skilled but his style meant you were always in for an epic, fact. That’s why there was hype surrounding him.
Yeah, hamed had some natural talent, but he was one unschooled fighter. I know this will cause a rukus but here it goes.
most hyped of all time:
1. RJJ
2. Hamed
3. Mayweather
4. Lennox Lewis (how many greats had two one punch ko losses on their records)
5. Gerry Cooney
RJJ for me was over hyped but I can understand why, he always seemed to fight within himself therefore we were constantly expecting more.
He was an awesome fighter but the whole drug saga left a sour taste in the mouth for me.
Hamed over hyped himself, he was different and mouthy so he sold tickets and claimed fame, no-one can honestly say he didn't have talent and great power after all his only defeat came against one of the all time greats IMO.
What ruined his legacy was the way he just couldn't really get over the fact he was beaten unlike a true great who would attempt to avenge their defeats.
Mayweather isn't over hyped IMO, across the water here he's not really known off which is a shame as he is undoubtedly the most talented fighter of recent years.
As for Lennox Lewis, cannot agree, OK he lost to two one punch KO's but he came back and avenged those defeats. Other greats have lost yet have not avenged defeats, Foreman lost to Ali (KO) then Jimmy Young (Pts) then retired for 10 years.
Patterson, Louis, Tyson, Holyfield, Ali and even Dempsey etc all lost fights against lesser fighters so....
Gerry Cooney, wins against Lyle, Young and Norton propelled his hype. He was a decent heavyweight in a good era so....
yeah i wasnt into boxing when naseem was around but i dont see any good fighters that he beat
5 current world champs if you include Vazquez and Bungu and another 5 former or future world champs.
Undefeated in 16 World title fights.
1st to unify all 4 belts.
Doesn't sound like he was over-hyped to me.
Ye Hamed lost one fight in his career to a total bum, you fuckwits, badly advised and too much money ruined Hameds legacy, dont get me wrong I am not a fan of his arrogance and his morals.
In the documentary Manny Steward was walking out of the training sessions shaking his head in disgust because Hamed just wouldn't work properly.
Hamed was out of love with the game by the time he faced MAB. That fight was him at 60% of what he was capable of. Watch the documentary of his training camp for the fight.
Hamed was in reality the 1st fighter to unify all 4 belts (Vazquez vacated the WBA title just prior their fight).
Ye Hamed lost one fight in his career to a total bum, you fuckwits, badly advised and too much money ruined Hameds legacy, dont get me wrong I am not a fan of his arrogance and his morals.
Hamed was out of love with the game by the time he faced MAB. That fight was him at 60% of what he was capable of. Watch the documentary of his training camp for the fight.
Hamed was in reality the 1st fighter to unify all 4 belts (Vazquez vacated the WBA title just prior their fight).