#1 Reason Floyd Should Stay Retired...

de la hoya and roy jones have better resumes and more accomplished than mayweather. and mayweather considers himself an all time great not just this generation. he needs to face facts that his record would be laughed at by the true greats. Roy jones doesn't have a better resume or more accomplishments. He only fought 2 HOF in his whole career. Oscar doesn't have the better resume because he lost every single major fight that he has participated in. And just recently he got beat by a junior welterweight. Oscar is actually below roy jones in far as greatness. So come on now, try again, who has the better resume or accomplishments than floyd Mayweather.

Great points. Nothing to add-except Mayweather needs to put up or shut up. Oh yeah, u said that lol!!! Who in this era has more accomplishments, a better resume, and a better record? Who can say they are better than Floyd Mayweather in his generation?

Oh yeah! PLAIN AND BASIC COMMON SENSE AT ITS BEST. Skill is measured by opposition and manner of victory. For all the fake Floyd fans. Educate yourselves. Being undefeated doesn't mean anything unless you have fought the best. Greatness isn't measured by having 0 losses but by the measure of one's resume and courage inside the ring. History remembers the warriors, not the cowards and chickens. Unless you're a very big coward. Great points. Nothing to add-except Mayweather needs to put up or shut up. Oh yeah, u said that lol!!!

Actually there are several. 1. Hatton - If he beats Hatton, people will call Hatton overrated and look at his career and say "who has Hatton really beaten", thus diminishing Hatton to make Floyd look bad. 2. Margarito - See Hatton 3. Paul Williams - Still unproven and yet to capture a major title. 4. Shane Mosley - Simply can not beat a pure boxer. All loses come at he hands of skilled boxers, which Floyd is.

nah...he should smash like 11 more fighters and have a 50-0 record before he retires

Um ok, and what legends did he face at his "prime" weight? Thought so. Good thing he kept moving up, unfortunately he dodged all the best that could give him trouble, so who cares. It took him how many years to face a true elite? That was an out of prime old Oscar. Oscar still gave him a decent fight. Prolly would have won it also if he used his jab more in the later rounds. The answer to this question, is the reason he should stay retired is because he knows he'll lose that 0 facing what people consider elite or that would give him trouble. Like I've always said, Floyd is a business man first, fighter second. He doesn't care about giving fans what they want, only what will make his pocket fatter. That is bad for boxing, and in time, he'll go down as a weak P4P fighter and people will say he never fought the true best of the era and avoided many. Instead we'll be hearing stories of the risk takers and people who don't care about losing their 0. Shit, Cotto for having an 0, he don't fight like it. Gotta love fighters like him. :luvbed: :boxing: By the way, I'm not such a hater for Floyd's skills. He's got great talent and skill no doubt. That's what can blind you into thinking he should be #1 P4P, but unfortunately he never wants to test out his ability on the best, and to me, in my world that's like, someone telling me all day how fast their car is all day, but never races it or against me. talk talk. So you would of been happier if Floyd stayed down and beat the crap out of Morales, Barrera, Marques, Casamayor, Freitas, and Pac? 140: Already mentioned it, Hatton and Cotto refused to fight, which equates to a win for Mayweather. I will take Mayweather's victory over Diego over any of Pac's wins against Barrera, Marques, and Morales. Is Mayweather about money? Of course he is, boxing after all is a business as well.

And I've never heard Tszyu bitching about it. Now that's class! Yes, well this goes on point of what Emanuel Augustus said: http://www.fightnews.com/reyes18.htm "You were in attendance there in Manchester, England for Tszyu's fight against Ricky Hatton. What did you think of the fight? I didn't like the fight even though I talked to people that said Kostya Tszyu should have had a better plan and all that other kind of stuff you know. It's kind of hard… It's still hard to fight people that just hold, and then he also had other kind of situations. I am not the type of person to come up with excuses and things like that but I am the kind of person that likes to fight. I box I don't wrestle, you know and everything was so much against Kostya Tszyu even though he was the champion. Even when Tszyu would try to do the same things back to Ricky, (Ricky was doing all the holding) he would push him to the ropes, hold him on the ropes and fight him on the ropes. When Kostya Tszyu tried to do it, the referee stepped in and broke them apart, then allowed Ricky to keep holding as if the referee was saying "the only people that can hold here is Ricky" and I didn't think that was the respectful way of how to treat the champion, after he traveled and came to the challenger's hometown, which is why, I guess I see why champions don't travel to defend their title." Many say the time slot of the fight and the change of Kostya Tszyu's training schedule might have had some effect on Tszyu's performance that night. No, you can't say nothing about nothing. We trained and made adjustments since the fight was going to happen at two o'clock in the morning. Everybody got enough rest and everybody was prepared and we made the proper adjustments when we flew over from Australia to London, but that has nothing to do with it. Truly, you know he did loose to the better man that night, but again you know, it just still had too many things that went against him as far as… you know I'm a fighter and most fighters would prefer to fight instead of wrestle and that's my biggest…that's my real, truly biggest complain of the whole fight was the fact that Ricky Hatton's main fight plan was to wrestle and hold, back him back on to the ropes, that's not boxing, even when Kostya tried to do it back the referee wouldn't let it happen you know there was only one person going to do all the holding and it was like if it was already said "Ricky Hatton is going to win" and that's that. I do feel bad that I couldn't of done more to get him ready for, you know he picked me (to train with Kostya) because I throw a lot of punches and I apply a lot of pressure but he should have picked somebody else that do a lot of holding so he could have been better prepared. Ha, ha... So you say he should have picked a wrestler for his preparation in training for the Hatton fight instead of you? Yeah! Because when he picked me, he picked a person that likes to fight. That's me, to help him get ready. He didn't pick someone that likes to hold, cause I don't like to do that nor do I like to get held. If me and Ricky fight, I already know how the fight is going to turn out, it's going to turn out just like me and Micky Ward, because that's who he reminds me of a younger Micky Ward. Ricky likes to go to the body much like Ward used to is that why? Yes, although he holds. Ricky uses many tactics like when he uses his head to split your gloves. He head buts a lot if you look back on that film whenever Kostya Tszyu was on the ropes, first thing Ricky would do was to put his head right between Kostya's hands (guard) to split the middle. Ala Evander Holyfield? Ok, see, but yet nobody said anything about that. Do you see it as vengeance (fighting Hatton and beating him) over your friend Kostya Tszyu? That's exactly how I see it. That's exactly how I want it. There is nobody else. If anybody else beats Ricky, they are just going to take away, they are going to really take away the win from Kostya Tszyu and that's wrong that's f #!ked up, I mean that's like adding insult to injury. That guy didn't beat Kostya, he just, man! I am still, I am so mad about that, nobody knows. I am more mad about the way that fight went down, than I am about my corner stopping my fight against Mayweather. That's how personal I take this fight, that I am looking at Ricky Hatton. I don't mean to come off as an angry scary guy or nothing, you know, because when people read this on Fightnews, you know, they are going to be thinking, "This guy is an angry guy" well, yeah, someone should be angry, f_ ___k! After all this hard work, that we did put in (Kostya's training camp) to get ready for a fight that wasn't even a fight. So, it's things like that, to me that give boxing a bad name but yet you know, people that look at it just say, well that's boxing, they just brush it off but how can you just accept that? If I just brought a gun into the ring would that be boxing too? Maybe I am being a little too melodramatic but sometimes you have got to go some different routes to be understood.

I say fight on bro fight on!!! Your skillful displays of boxing are unmatched in the sport at the moment!!!

Hatton fights like an old Tyson with some young tyson mixed in.

Cherry Pick? WTF, do you even watch his fights? His prime weight was down in the 130's. He could stand there all day and do what he wants with fighters in the 130's, but he moved up to get to O$car. For his Castillo fight: First fight he was injured, second fight Floyd fought at full capacity and it was a better fight. You still caught up in Hatton? The same Hatton who found out moving up in weight would not be a good idea. The same Hatton who will not fight a lightweight named Floyd. The same Hatton who hugs, nut shots his way to victory? I hate to sound hard on Hatton because I do watch his fights and do like to see him fight, but enough with his nuthugging fans. Um ok, and what legends did he face at his "prime" weight? Thought so. Good thing he kept moving up, unfortunately he dodged all the best that could give him trouble, so who cares. It took him how many years to face a true elite? That was an out of prime old Oscar. Oscar still gave him a decent fight. Prolly would have won it also if he used his jab more in the later rounds. The answer to this question, is the reason he should stay retired is because he knows he'll lose that 0 facing what people consider elite or that would give him trouble. Like I've always said, Floyd is a business man first, fighter second. He doesn't care about giving fans what they want, only what will make his pocket fatter. That is bad for boxing, and in time, he'll go down as a weak P4P fighter and people will say he never fought the true best of the era and avoided many. Instead we'll be hearing stories of the risk takers and people who don't care about losing their 0. Shit, Cotto for having an 0, he don't fight like it. Gotta love fighters like him. :luvbed: :boxing: By the way, I'm not such a hater for Floyd's skills. He's got great talent and skill no doubt. That's what can blind you into thinking he should be #1 P4P, but unfortunately he never wants to test out his ability on the best, and to me, in my world that's like, someone telling me all day how fast their car is all day, but never races it or against me. talk talk.

I like Hatton's style, and I like his boxing trunks, the blue one, its good. http://www.thesweetscience.com/images/3038/ricky_hatton_240x230_053105.jpg

And I've never heard Tszyu bitching about it. Now that's class!

it is not just hatton's seemingly silent agreement with the ref in the tszyu fight that pisses me off, it's the way he get's knocked down and somehow it doesn't count, then throwing an intentional mean spirated low blow on kostya and he doesn't get penalized. there are so many things wrong with that fight i don't even have the patience to go through it all. all in all, you could just simply tell that everything was being done to get hatton to come out on top in that fight.

Many fighters have used the clinch, even a prime Tyson, but it is more understandable for a Heavyweight to do it than lighter weights. Hatton has become too accustomed to punching once then holding. If he punched in more combos more often then clinched/grappled to sap his opponent’s strength or get a bit of a rest, I am fine with that. This has always been part of the sport so it should not be shunned. I am actually a bit worried about people complaining too much since I have noticed a few refs now preventing "in-fighting" What Ruiz does however should be outlawed. What Ruiz does is outlawed. The problem lies within the enforcers of the law. There's no problem in infighting, but there is a problem in holding and hitting, which Hatton does. Hopkins too, but not to that extent. But I agree with you that the other fighter have responsibility to prevent what doesn't work in his favour. Learn how to jab, uppercut and move sideways works wonders against huggers. That's why Mayweather will embarass Hatton too, IMO.

Benny, I'm surprised you don't appreciate what Hatton does.. Is it not a classic brawling style? People attribute clinching nowadays to being strictly for defensive purposes.. I see it more as a style of fighting. An extremely taxing, aggressive style of fighting.. I know you, Benny. You could probably name more great champions with this "style" than most folks here.. Does it really do nothing for you? QUOTE] Here is one of my previous post just the other day. I have mixed feelings about the way Hatton does it, but it does reflect a bit of "old school" tactics. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2468750#post2468750 This is what I wrote: You know what, I do not even think Hatton's holding is all that bad, at least not like Ruiz. Hatton's is more about bullying and seeing who is stronger, while Ruiz is about survival. Of course Ricky's holding of Collazo in the later rounds was about survival and you can rip him on that, but other than that, not all that bad. It is not "artistic" the way he does it, not like Jack Johnson, which was very funny and embarrassed his opponents, but I am not going to knock him bad for it anymore. Shit, I did not like how he did it to Tszyu, but a fighter has to be prepared for anything, even if it is against the rules. Although my complaint in that fight was that Ricky just nodded to the ref when he did not like when Tszyu did it, but if Ricky was doing it, the ref let it go. I honestly do not think Hatton is stronger than Tszyu nor do I think he could of gotten away with it if it was years before, but Hatton did what he had to do (if I like it or not) to win the fight. I do not mind him going into clinches to get a short rest in order to explode with combinations, but I would hope he would do it a bit less. Hatton is a tough fighter which is why I never understood why he did not want Mayweather and Cotto, but maybe he just is not as confident as I think, after all, he has never really fought a "Great" let alone a good fighter that is in his prime, near the top of his game, or just on the way down. His two biggest wins were a 35 year old Kostya Tszyu who was inactive for a couple of years from two injuries (that needed surgery) and had not fought more than 9 rounds in 3 years and Castillo who was not only moving up, but did not look good in his last fight, went through to many wars and looked shot from the beginning of the this fight. I do not want to be to hard on Hatton since it is a hard occupation he is in, but I would like him to test himself against the so called best. __________________ Good stuff, Benny. :beerchug: I see your point. And I agree - Hatton got some big help from that ref in the KT fight..

Many fighters have used the clinch, even a prime Tyson, but it is more understandable for a Heavyweight to do it than lighter weights. Hatton has become too accustomed to punching once then holding. If he punched in more combos more often then clinched/grappled to sap his opponent’s strength or get a bit of a rest, I am fine with that. This has always been part of the sport so it should not be shunned. I am actually a bit worried about people complaining too much since I have noticed a few refs now preventing "in-fighting" What Ruiz does however should be outlawed.

Benny, I'm surprised you don't appreciate what Hatton does.. Is it not a classic brawling style? People attribute clinching nowadays to being strictly for defensive purposes.. I see it more as a style of fighting. An extremely taxing, aggressive style of fighting.. I know you, Benny. You could probably name more great champions with this "style" than most folks here.. Does it really do nothing for you? QUOTE] Here is one of my previous post just the other day. I have mixed feelings about the way Hatton does it, but it does reflect a bit of "old school" tactics. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2468750#post2468750 This is what I wrote: You know what, I do not even think Hatton's holding is all that bad, at least not like Ruiz. Hatton's is more about bullying and seeing who is stronger, while Ruiz is about survival. Of course Ricky's holding of Collazo in the later rounds was about survival and you can rip him on that, but other than that, not all that bad. It is not "artistic" the way he does it, not like Jack Johnson, which was very funny and embarrassed his opponents, but I am not going to knock him bad for it anymore. Shit, I did not like how he did it to Tszyu, but a fighter has to be prepared for anything, even if it is against the rules. Although my complaint in that fight was that Ricky just nodded to the ref when he did not like when Tszyu did it, but if Ricky was doing it, the ref let it go. I honestly do not think Hatton is stronger than Tszyu nor do I think he could of gotten away with it if it was years before, but Hatton did what he had to do (if I like it or not) to win the fight. I do not mind him going into clinches to get a short rest in order to explode with combinations, but I would hope he would do it a bit less. Hatton is a tough fighter which is why I never understood why he did not want Mayweather and Cotto, but maybe he just is not as confident as I think, after all, he has never really fought a "Great" let alone a good fighter that is in his prime, near the top of his game, or just on the way down. His two biggest wins were a 35 year old Kostya Tszyu who was inactive for a couple of years from two injuries (that needed surgery) and had not fought more than 9 rounds in 3 years and Castillo who was not only moving up, but did not look good in his last fight, went through to many wars and looked shot from the beginning of the this fight. I do not want to be to hard on Hatton since it is a hard occupation he is in, but I would like him to test himself against the so called best. __________________

personally, i think hatton has a good chance at beating mayweather. what it really comes down to is both of their managers to make it happen. but, with boxing being too goddamned business minded for it's own good, it likely will not happen.

Benny, I'm surprised you don't appreciate what Hatton does.. Is it not a classic brawling style? People attribute clinching nowadays to being strictly for defensive purposes.. I see it more as a style of fighting. An extremely taxing, aggressive style of fighting.. I know you, Benny. You could probably name more great champions with this "style" than most folks here.. Does it really do nothing for you? Example: (RIP Kid) There is no similarity between Gene Fullmer and Ricky Hatton. Are you serious, or just taking the piss?

Cherry Pick? WTF, do you even watch his fights? His prime weight was down in the 130's. He could stand there all day and do what he wants with fighters in the 130's, but he moved up to get to O$car. For his Castillo fight: First fight he was injured, second fight Floyd fought at full capacity and it was a better fight. You still caught up in Hatton? The same Hatton who found out moving up in weight would not be a good idea. The same Hatton who will not fight a lightweight named Floyd. The same Hatton who hugs, nut shots his way to victory? I hate to sound hard on Hatton because I do watch his fights and do like to see him fight, but enough with his nuthugging fans. Benny, I'm surprised you don't appreciate what Hatton does.. Is it not a classic brawling style? People attribute clinching nowadays to being strictly for defensive purposes.. I see it more as a style of fighting. An extremely taxing, aggressive style of fighting.. I know you, Benny. You could probably name more great champions with this "style" than most folks here.. Does it really do nothing for you? Example: (RIP Kid)